Team GPR

[TALLIS]

You boys have all the fun. I was busy with more important stuff..... fuck it

[Bert]

For the amount of hard work you GPR lads do for the sport you deserve a medal, but you even supply them for everybody else !
Gutted for Scott with the breakdowns and Regans crash damage but Magic to see one of your bikes on the podium, Congratulations Chris .
Tyler had a good ride also, Thanks to Scott, MK11 Ford wouldn't have even started due to a broken bar that you welded up for us ..

Always good fun hanging out with you and your family .

I feel for Tyler, two years in a row: something silly happen to stop him completing the GP.

This time looks to be the gear selector popping off (only seems to happen in race shift) - needs some form of resolution; slightly better than flat battery I spose...
Great to get feedback from him on bike setup.
Primarily how the setup seems to load ones arms (if he noticed it and commented on it: then, well something must need changing)...

[mr bucketracer]

You boys have all the fun. I was busy with more important stuff..... fuck ityour the lucky one :violin:

[mr bucketracer]

For the amount of hard work you GPR lads do for the sport you deserve a medal, but you even supply them for everybody else !
Gutted for Scott with the breakdowns and Regans crash damage but Magic to see one of your bikes on the podium, Congratulations Chris .
Tyler had a good ride also, Thanks to Scott, MK11 Ford wouldn't have even started due to a broken bar that you welded up for us ..

Always good fun hanging out with you and your family .thanks rick , A very testing weekend but learn alot .. sort shit out weeks before hand ...ok i did but turned into the never ending story getting ready. always next year as we all say lol

[mr bucketracer]

Super tough with sidecars and the 50 Scott! Sorry to see that but I suppose that's racing right.

MASSIVE thanks to Scott and GPR for handing me the so called keys to their hyper bucket, I appreciate the support and the faith in my riding! I made good on my word to put it on the podium after all :woohoo: but holy shit Nathaniel and Caleb are aliens. Following them (trying) gave me a new appreciation for how confident someone can be when their bike is so out of control and doing things it can't (Caleb) and how incredibly consistent and precise you need to be to be up the front of one of the competitive races of the year (Nathaniel). I learnt a tonne and have a few points of personal improvement from the experience that I'll take with me to 125GP.

Thanks again lads, it was a total eye opener and confidence booster to be your factory team racer! Even if I worked on 5 bikes all weekend anyway
3203835 bikes and take pictures (-; i know the feeling lol , glad you had fun on it !

[Bert]

320383

The Photo sums it up quite well.

Well put together machines and young talented riders.

Time for a vets subclass:drinknsin

[mr bucketracer]

The Photo sums it up quite well.

Well put together machines and young talented riders.

Time for a vets subclass:drinknsinyes all young guns ,but one very happy looking gun in that pic

[mr bucketracer]

my 50 pistion has cracked , guess it happens when its as old as the hills , anyone got a directed link to new rg50 pistions

[TZ350]

my 50 piston has cracked , guess it happens when its as old as the hills , anyone got a directed link to new rg50 pistons

We use a Wiseco piston, lots of over sizes. I will find one and post a pic of the piston and box with part numbers tomorrow when I get back into work.

320446320445

There you go, Kawasaki KDX50, two rings and the pins are set quite wide at the rear so you have to open up the C ports instead of the B ports.

320447

Originally designed (by Wobbly) for a 65cc engine but we have found the Mark II pipe to work quite well on our 50's.

[mr bucketracer]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wiseco-Piston-Kit-41-00-mm-Suzuki-JR50-1978-2006-/321713300397?hash=item4ae79b63ad:g:UR8AAOSwEeFVHNz e&vxp=mtr
bought of this guy before , jr50 ? ok?

[Grumph]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wiseco-Piston-Kit-41-00-mm-Suzuki-JR50-1978-2006-/321713300397?hash=item4ae79b63ad:g:UR8AAOSwEeFVHNz e&vxp=mtr
bought of this guy before , jr50 ? ok?

One of my customers got 4T Wisecos off him. Quick supply, not outrageous postage.

No idea if it's the right piston though....

[TZ350]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wiseco-Piston-Kit-41-00-mm-Suzuki-JR50-1978-2006-/321713300397?hash=item4ae79b63ad:g:UR8AAOSwEeFVHNz e&vxp=mtr
bought of this guy before , jr50 ? ok?

Yes, purchased from him (Jawzys) before Ok guy to deal with.

320452

Box says JR/KDX50 so it looks like the Suzuki JR50 and Kawasaki KDX50 use the same piston, possibly same motor.

[seymour14]

Videos are happening, just need some time. Stitching together 10 or so Sidecar clips, no F5 this year, then Formula Tokoroa (missed first half lap) and then full F4 GP.

Some not so random pictures for now...

[richban]

no F5 this year,

Dead to me you are! :nono:

[seymour14]

Dead to me you are! :nono:

I get that a lot, cheers...:finger:

[seymour14]

Tricycles.;)


https://youtu.be/OSahIJXsuGQ

[Henk]

Dead to me you are! :nono:

How dare he ignore the premier class

[TALLIS]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wiseco-Piston-Kit-41-00-mm-Suzuki-JR50-1978-2006-/321713300397?hash=item4ae79b63ad:g:UR8AAOSwEeFVHNz e&vxp=mtr
bought of this guy before , jr50 ? ok?
We might be needing a few of those ;)

[mr bucketracer]

We might be needing a few of those ;)am going to order more than 1

[chrisc]

Some on board from the racing. The good bits start at about 6:45 and I finally get past Regan and into 3rd place at 9:20. I had a bit of a crap start really, running the wrong gear and stuffing up lines until I set into a rhythm. Still fun and quick enough to claw back Regan. The race was 40 laps long so I cut out a bunch of sections where I'm riding by myself to fit within Youtube's 15 minute video limit.

After looking at my GPS timer, i got just over 100km at the end of the straight and was way way way to slow through the final corner at about 38km/hr mid corner, sigh. Probably after crashing there last year riding my FXR on the bumps. Theoretical fastest time was a 42.2 compared to my actual 42.599 which shows my consistency was off. I'd love to have another crack at getting into the 41s with more practice time but I'm sure there's a line from here to the GPR door with people looking for a factory ride! hahaha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpxXgx2Tf7Y

[seymour14]

Awesome video Chris, massive ride!

Next video incoming.

Formula Penny Farthing...


https://youtu.be/tjSqknio18E

[F5 Dave]

No question, Sketchy was the fastest through turn one. Well at least once.:sweatdrop

Ok its arguable that he made it `through` that time. . .

[seymour14]

Don't get too excited, still an hour left to upload.

GP Boneshaker...



https://youtu.be/8EwKlNBTgsc

[mr bucketracer]

i see Strouds son had a lucky escape
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78035738/hamilton-cop-helps-injured-teen

[Bert]

Is it safe to assume that on GPR members are attending the VMCC AGM tomorrow??

You do all realise it's your club that you hold membership with?
If it goes tits, then there will be no chance of any local racing...
Big or small bikes.

[Bert]

Is it safe to assume that on GPR members are attending the VMCC AGM tomorrow??

You do all realise it's your club that you hold membership with?
If it goes tits, then there will be no chance of any local racing...
Big or small bikes.

Actually a good turnout, people showed interest and lots of new faces to move things forward.

But being the only GPR rep and one of only three people from the Manawatu - was a little disappointing... I guess everyone was too busy.

Just remember it's like voting: if you don't vote and don't like the outcome don't moan about it.

[TALLIS]

Good to hear that the Vic club are moving forward. I do admire the commitment and time it takes to be involved.

[seymour14]

Good to hear that the Vic club are moving forward. I do admire the commitment and time it takes to be involved.


Yes, it's not for everyone, but someone has to do it.

Dad and me are part of the Committee on the Classic Motorcycle Club, currently organizing the Vintage Car Clubs National Motorcycle Rally for next year. Best not to commit to too many other things, it's a recipe for a crack up otherwise.

Good to see Vic Club is in good hands.:niceone:

[Bert]

Good to hear that the Vic club are moving forward. I do admire the commitment and time it takes to be involved.


Yes, it's not for everyone, but someone has to do it.

Dad and me are part of the Committee on the Classic Motorcycle Club, currently organizing the Vintage Car Clubs National Motorcycle Rally for next year. Best not to commit to too many other things, it's a recipe for a crack up otherwise.

Good to see Vic Club is in good hands.:niceone:

Coming to the AGM doesn't mean you have to join the committee (as I've said previous years): but it does mean you support the club that you belong to. It also allows you an opportunity to have your say as a member and also get information on the clubs direction...

[mr bucketracer]

want to see race 2 of this ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcK1As59jkI

[Bert]

Good Friday.

Is anyone free to give us a hand moving some club stuff into storage in Feilding.

Many hands make light work.

[mr bucketracer]

Good Friday.

Is anyone free to give us a hand moving some club stuff into storage in Feilding.

Many hands make light work.have you cleaned your shed out:killingme

[Bert]

have you cleaned your shed out:killingme

You sick of storing my extra stuff???

Na, we have to move VMCC stuff from ex-committee storage to storage locker.
There is lots of bits and pieces to sort out.

[TALLIS]

want to see race 2 of this ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcK1As59jkI

It sucks when you show someone the quick way round, then they pass you :baby:

[mr bucketracer]

It sucks when you show someone the quick way round, then they pass you :baby:and pass easy

[mr bucketracer]

320668progress at last , a nice 12hp , spent the time and went over the engine , still running rich below 8.5k and up stairs , went crazy pulled out my rd50 to put back together , cheaked out the ports and timed it to that (-; , i'm shore with new pistion ring / fueling and maybe put something better than a mx ignition i hope 13.5 hp will be the go

[TZ350]

Real nice curve .... :)

[Bert]

That's looking heaps better...

[TALLIS]

12hp? Dammit, I'm playing catch up now. Time for the secret weapon :cool:

[mr bucketracer]

tweeked some more from it , still got that dam googleing at 8.5k( below and above runs mint) , ltfted and droped needle ,no fix , air screw , its like the transation from needle to main , kind of had a promblem like this years ago , i open carb to the port of doing it , held it there , killed engine and sanded some of the needle at that point , thing is i think its to rich there , i better have a good look at the a/f as its running as only records run from 8.5 when it breaks through

[mr bucketracer]

Real nice curve .... :)it did not want to come easy , don't know how meany times i'v had it in bits )-; , i know you know the feeling , hows your reed cage one coming along

[TZ350]

The first one was a bust. The Team brought a good porting tool setup. Working on a second version cylinder now, will get to test it in a couple of weeks.

[mr bucketracer]

of the A/F it runs on the lean side of thing around 15 , but when it hits that 8 to 8.5k point its at 12.5 witch is rich , maybe i should try a smaller pilot jet , max hp is at 12.5 on the A/F , over rev runs up to 16 lean , its now on av gas running at 16 degrees , should i advance that ?now the fuel burns slower

[TZ350]

of the A/F it runs on the lean side of thing around 15 , but when it hits that 8 to 8.5k point its at 12.5 witch is rich

Interesting, because we often have a similar problem at much the same rpm.

You could try more advance, we typically run 26deg at 8.5k in the RG50's dropping of steadily to about 6 (from memory) at 12k.

Because yours sounds overly rich at that point as if the air is blowing back and forth in the carb picking up a double dose of fuel it might be worth trying changes to the inlet tuned length or try different reed valve petal material to change the reed resonance point.

Old Suzuki MX ignitions have a relativly steep retard curve. What was a sensible retard curve for a RM125 engines revving to 8K becomes very steep when run on a motor revving to 12-13k. We found we had to really advance the one on our engine up so the retarded ignition point at 11kish was in a sensible position.

Also we had a bit of an over compression issue (21:1) that held us up for a while, found lots of power when we checked the clearance volume and dropped the compression to 15:1.

[mr bucketracer]

good idea , will try the petals first , i had the same com as the gt50 14.1 , did not like it at all on this engine , its just over 15.1 now and gets runs that overlap each other so bloody good its not funny , found a bit on pipes i will post

[mr bucketracer]

i gave my gt50 chamber a quick messer up and found it very close to the one on here i copyed , only diffents was the belly is around 2 inchs longer on the gt , i tryed it before sorting engine out better ( i should try again), it made 4 hp more at 9000rpm and 1 less at the top , will copy and past this...(overlapping too much which would cause a canceling of their pressure differences)......thought somthing maybe conflicking at 8000rpm

[TZ350]

Interested to see how you get on, we are just beginning to look at understanding pipes, pretty green at the moment.

[mr bucketracer]

Interested to see how you get on, we are just beginning to look at understanding pipes, pretty green at the moment.yes a bit to take in
http://www.dragonfly75.com/motorbike/ECtheory.html

[TZ350]

Thanks for that. We started by recycling a RG250 chamber on our Suzuki GP125 then used a RS125 pipe and that has served well for years. The RG50 got a pipe from Coker race products.

Chambers is quite good at actually making pipes, he has made copies of other pipes and from designs we found but now we need to get good at designing them too.

[seymour14]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GPR-CUSTOM-/262326536846?hash=item3d13e14a8e:g:OCkAAOSwll1WuEG X

Them thars fighting words...

[mr bucketracer]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GPR-CUSTOM-/262326536846?hash=item3d13e14a8e:g:OCkAAOSwll1WuEG X

Them thars fighting words...thought i would sell it :facepalm:

[mr bucketracer]

320674320675First reading is the A/F reading of the 50 .. second getting the old rd50 going for some fun

[lodgernz]

How bad was the damage to the 50? :o

[Grumph]

thought i would sell it :facepalm:

Impressive...i bet the riding position is fun with low bars and forward pegs...and i'm sure it's been asked before - pit bike forks? LOL...

[Grumph]

asking on the offchance, any of you guys got a cam cover for an FZR250 ? Even a broken one would help...

Thanks

[F5 Dave]

Well speedpro will have one sawn in 1/2.

[mr bucketracer]

Some more good kr125 results .after going backwards because some one forgot to check tire pessures lol .new chamber , old v new , regan made a bit of a cock up in the jetting at the gp , been running set up off a weather station but was set up under shelter at kaitoke but was set up in the sun out side at the gp , was down 2.5 hp with a gorgle out the corners , new chamber fixed it even better 320802

[mr bucketracer]

asking on the offchance, any of you guys got a cam cover for an FZR250 ? Even a broken one would help...

Thanksi think i do but is on a head that i may use one day ..sorry

[Bert]

Some more good kr125 results .after going backwards because some one forgot to check tire pessures lol .new chamber , old v new , regan made a bit of a cock up in the jetting at the gp , been running set up off a weather station but was set up under shelter at kaitoke but was set up in the sun out side at the gp , was down 2.5 hp with a gorgle out the corners , new chamber fixed it even better 320802

Is that 30hp at 10000RPM with a 24mm carb (and an air cooled cylinder).... :innocent:

[seymour14]

Is that 30hp at 10000RPM with a 24mm carb (and an air cooled cylinder).... :innocent:

No sorry it's only 30hp at 10400 RPM. :msn-wink:

[mr bucketracer]

think there is more in it , after seeing these head designs (-; , even how the chamber cleared up this gorgle , some changes may fix my 50 promblem

[TZ350]

Some more good kr125 results .
320802

Team ESE Envy ....... :sick: ..... good going Team GPR.

[chrisc]

JESUS! Good work boys that's mental! It was definitely boogying at the GP, it's gonna tear up the tarmac now!

[seymour14]

JESUS! Good work boys that's mental! It was definitely boogying at the GP, it's gonna tear up the tarmac now!

Just remember, computer programs are only as good as the people who design them...

Bucket Racers, we are a breed of our own! Keep pushing those limits lads.:drinknsin

[mr bucketracer]

JESUS! Good work boys that's mental! It was definitely boogying at the GP, it's gonna tear up the tarmac now!the more the hotter the engine it seemed the worse it got , battery going dead did not help but all glad it finshed the gp (-; , be intesting on the bigger tracks like at the BOB if higher air presser will make it run cooler.

[Muciek]

Did You tried it to run with bigger carb? Cylinder layout is like a Rs125 but AC?

[mr bucketracer]

Did You tried it to run with bigger carb? Cylinder layout is like a Rs125 but AC?not yet but want to see what a standard kr150 carb would run like ? 28mm over the 24mm we have on it , porting is backed off over stardard rs125 porting to try get more torque from the engine , think to much hp may cook the engine with to much power?

[husaberg]

Did You tried it to run with bigger carb? Cylinder layout is like a Rs125 but AC?

The rules for the AC 125'S are only a EQ of a 24mm carb is allowed.
That's why TZ350 has run the plenum and the injection and the venturi carb

[seymour14]

Did talk the other night about putting a 28mm carb on there (as it should go on easily), just to get a quick idea where it sits with an RS125. Not quite the carb size to get a full picture, but it would give us a figure to extrapolate further.

A little more work would have to go into getting a 38mm carb to fit correctly. And secretly, I don't think it would suit our set up, probably go backwards because of our choice in pipes etc...

Still would be very interesting for sure.

[mr bucketracer]

Rd50 after 19 years go's again.!could only do a quick run as radator not on320827320828

[seymour14]

That has been in hibernation a long time. Good to see it lives again.:niceone:

[steamroller]

Rd50 after 19 years go's again.!could only do a quick run as radator not on320827320828

Tricky kid is back :cool:

[TALLIS]

That has been in hibernation a long time. Good to see it lives again.:niceone:
Good things take time.... or is that cheese?

[mr bucketracer]

Tricky kid is back :cool:Tricky kid is back , watch out lol

[richban]

Rd50 after 19 years go's again.!could only do a quick run as radator not on320827320828

Ha ha. Love it. Many years ago in the 50 frenzy maze paddock races in Tauranga. We raced a bog stock rd50. Always won the stock races. 2 hours of sideways thrashing. so much fun. Poor we things.

[mr bucketracer]

Made a new tail 320853320854

[lodgernz]

Made a new tail 320853320854

What was wrong with the old one?

[mr bucketracer]

What was wrong with the old one?tryed to find the rest but other side is gone

[mr bucketracer]

some pictures i found on fb320933320932320931

[mr bucketracer]

some more320936320935320934320937

[F5 Dave]

In that launch I see 'CEP's, Peter Steadman, and Wheels front, erm, wheel.

[diesel pig]

some pictures i found on fb320933320932320931

Each one of those pics is awesome and rises so many questions. The main one for me would what is that crazy looking front end on the right side the starting grid pic.:blink:

[F5 Dave]

Yeah that would be what I was talking about. Fortunately the next leading authority on that bike is the Op.

[mr bucketracer]

facebook link https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=774766172659375&set=a.774766125992713.1073741839.100003779975527&type=3&theater

[mr bucketracer]

Each one of those pics is awesome and rises so many questions. The main one for me would what is that crazy looking front end on the right side the starting grid pic.:blink:that centre hub thing is still in dads shed ,must finsh mine of one day

[timg]

facebook link https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=774766172659375&set=a.774766125992713.1073741839.100003779975527&type=3&theater Awesome pix!

[speedpro]

"ROBIL" - Rob Henry & Bill Capper, 2 clever guys. The stuff Bill used to build was very interesting and always beautifully crafted, cars and bikes. Rob was hard as nails and in the end a bit clever.

[husaberg]

That Wolf/stinger sidecar engine has some interesting mods, spacers under cylinders,reeds and what looks like a duel magneto anyone have details?
320940320941320942

[mr bucketracer]

That Wolf/stinger sidecar engine has some interesting mods, spacers under cylinders,reeds and what looks like a duel magneto anyone have details?
320940320941320942i have some off that engine ,1 chamber , no second magneto holder, have a solo bike here that had i think that engine put in it after retired from the sidcar , anyone that dont know its a T90 stinger

[Grumph]

Stu's still around of course and often seen at meetings. I remember him as always carrying a camera so there are probably more pics to come.

Looks like two versions of the suzuki twin. First ? pic has coils taped to the frame...then the belt drive lashup.

[F5 Dave]

Well I can't let this past. The 125 was the Stinger and the 90 was the Wolf.


At least in NZ, but the 90 was always the Wolf.

[mr bucketracer]

Well I can't let this past. The 125 was the Stinger and the 90 was the Wolf.


At least in NZ, but the 90 was always the Wolf.you had say it lol

[husaberg]

Well I can't let this past. The 125 was the Stinger and the 90 was the Wolf.


At least in NZ, but the 90 was always the Wolf.

I think its a Big bad Wolf, as I can't see the tacho drive. Plus the pics were before the 125 rule by the look of it, judging by the fashionable clothes.
Other than the carb size and the bore plus the tacho I don't think there was any major engine differences differences.
The Wolf sleeves were certainly thick enough to be bored to Stinger size.
I actually did it with my own one, (as we couldn't get rings.)

[mr bucketracer]

hope you have the coke coming seymore

[husaberg]

hope you have the coke coming seymore

http://24h.bestthenews.com/article/pensioner-charged-trafficking-cocaine-told-he-faces-life-prison-wed-03232016-0554.html

[mr bucketracer]

http://24h.bestthenews.com/article/pensioner-charged-trafficking-cocaine-told-he-faces-life-prison-wed-03232016-0554.htmlbugger , who do i buy it off now! :violin:

[seymour14]

hope you have the coke coming seymore

I didn't.

Then I did.

But I got the wrong kind.

Then we drank it anyway...:rolleyes:

[Bert]

Gentlemen,

The Stars have aligned and here is a north island long track challenge for 2016 winter.

VMCC Bridgestone series, Manfield ($40 + transponder)
Round One: Saturday 30th April (track day) – Sunday 1st May (race day)
Round Two: Sunday 12th June
Round Three: Saturday 13th August
Round Four: Saturday 17th September

HMCC winter series, Taupo ($150) - at little more expensive - but worth it as it is Taupo track2
Round 1. Sunday 8 May
Round 2. Sunday 11 September
Round 3. Sunday 9 October

7 rounds, a few back to backs. We can sort out points scoring external of the clubs...

A good opportunity to show what F4 bikes can do.

Who's in?????

[mr bucketracer]

first race meet at Kaitoke on the 2 smoker , upload will be done in 40mins
https://youtu.be/WVmNVIHHU5E

[seymour14]

Got all the latest GPR gos with the informal interview at the end...

[mr bucketracer]

Got all the latest GPR gos with the informal interview at the end...did not know that until loaded lol :laugh:

[husaberg]

did not know that until loaded lol :laugh:

http://i.imgur.com/RjqXBdm.gif

[mr bucketracer]

http://i.imgur.com/RjqXBdm.gifmadmax 2 , just needs a Boomerang in his head lol

[mr bucketracer]

321058lol............

[Bert]

We got it... Back track approved in concept..:clap:

[TALLIS]

We got it... Back track approved in concept..:clap:

Well done that man. Half way there

[steamroller]

http://i.imgur.com/RjqXBdm.gif

Haha I had my mankini on underneath. Was just about to pull my old fulla out because I thought I seen wobbly coming to pay up with his promise.

[seymour14]

I don't know you people.:lol:

[chrisc]

Bahahahahaha

[mr bucketracer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5CzJco5Mw

[mr bucketracer]

new owner on no92 this weekend (-;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFhQzfVH4ik

[richban]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5CzJco5Mw


Crack up first 2 corners. Also good to see the mighty 50 coming through. Looks fast with Sketchy on it.

[mr bucketracer]

Crack up first 2 corners. Also good to see the mighty 50 coming through. Looks fast with Sketchy on it.looked dam good with you on it!

[Bert]

So how did the weekend turn out??

[TALLIS]

So how did the weekend turn out??

Great weekend, fast times on Saturday with Scotty taking the new lap record and Sunday was wet, allowing me to snatch pole and a couple of wins. Great track with plenty of grip, can't wait to get back there (besides the 5 hour trip shoulder to shoulder lol)

[Bert]

Great weekend, fast times on Saturday with Scotty taking the new lap record and Sunday was wet, allowing me to snatch pole and a couple of wins. Great track with plenty of grip, can't wait to get back there (besides the 5 hour trip shoulder to shoulder lol)

I read congrats are in order. Well done champ!!!

And well done to Scotty.

Keeps up the good team showing in the north islands.

No takers for VMCC racing ??? You guys said if we made it cheap you would race, what happened???
But given my motor is toast and miracles are unlikely this week: maybe someone would like my entry transferred?

[mr bucketracer]

for who that are not on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1069607779776754.1073741857.573184462752424&type=3

[mr bucketracer]

I read congrats are in order. Well done champ!!!

And well done to Scotty.

Keeps up the good team showing in the north islands.

No takers for VMCC racing ??? You guys said if we made it cheap you would race, what happened???
But given my motor is toast and miracles are unlikely this week: maybe someone would like my entry transferred?did you get the sidecover off and have a look?

[TALLIS]

I read congrats are in order. Well done champ!!!

And well done to Scotty.

Keeps up the good team showing in the north islands.

No takers for VMCC racing ??? You guys said if we made it cheap you would race, what happened???
But given my motor is toast and miracles are unlikely this week: maybe someone would like my entry transferred?

My 400 still not quite ready and the bucket needs a birthday. Next round I'll be in. There's an engine here if you get keen?

[Bert]

did you get the sidecover off and have a look?

Yes it wasn't that scary (to do), didn't you like the Facebook video of the issue....

[mr bucketracer]

Yes it wasn't that scary (to do), didn't you like the Facebook video of the issue....did not see it , grab nicks engine , bang good times

[Bert]

did not see it , grab nicks engine , bang good times

Just Emailed it to you tonight.

I can't afford to wreak another motor, two on the ground is enough.
All that would happen is another one just sitting around.
I'll just give up.

[mr bucketracer]

Just Emailed it to you tonight.

I can't afford to wreak another motor, two on the ground is enough.
All that would happen is another one just sitting around.
I'll just give up.looks like the selecker beairing got some up and down ? would not read about it

[Bert]

looks like the selecker beairing got some up and down ? would not read about it

Nope, it's the bolt that holds the star onto the drum. Half the bolt is lodged inside the drum.
I could figure out a in motor solution (hence the txt). Looks like strip down to get the drum out and bolt removed...

[Grumph]

Nope, it's the bolt that holds the star onto the drum. Half the bolt is lodged inside the drum.
I could figure out a in motor solution (hence the txt). Looks like strip down to get the drum out and bolt removed...

I don't know about your drum specifically but most now are hollow investment castings with that threaded hole going right through...You could try putting a small drill on the broken piece and see if it will move - winding it right through. Once it has dropped, it's magnet on a stick time.

[Bert]

I don't know about your drum specifically but most now are hollow investment castings with that threaded hole going right through...You could try putting a small drill on the broken piece and see if it will move - winding it right through. Once it has dropped, it's magnet on a stick time.

Thanks Grumph.
Might give t,hat a go

[mr bucketracer]

Edgecumbe , race 1 .. 4 stroke , 2 stroke , 4 stroke
race 2 .. 4 stroke , 4 stroke , 2 stroke
race 3 .. 4 stroke , 2 stroke , 4 stroke

mixed weekend but the mighty 4 strokers come out on top (-;
comes to show hp can suit some tracks not others..

[Bert]

Success all round really.

GPR bikes/engines 1,3,4,6,10.

Not a bad outcome.

[mr bucketracer]

i like this picture
321209

[TALLIS]

i like this picture
321209

Nice, always working on them two strokes that boy

[chrisc]

Success all round really.

GPR bikes/engines 1,3,4,6,10.

Not a bad outcome.

I'd happily take a GPR engine off your lads hands to keep growing this list :eek:

[seymour14]

Nice, always working on them two strokes that boy

I needed to make the bike a lot simpler, maybe out of lego, or maybe with light up prompts on it...

Well done North Island Champ, we need to drink to your victory sometime. (I've been practising.):niceone:

[TALLIS]

we need to drink to your victory sometime. (I've been practising.):niceone:

Don't practice too much with out me :sweatdrop
I've got to try and strike a deal with you to, concerning a certain 100cc engine witch would look nice with two cams. I think for Regans sake, the engine needs to be wood and tek screws....

[mr bucketracer]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sonscc/sets/72157667478584621
some old man with the young guns

[seymour14]

Don't practice too much with out me :sweatdrop
I've got to try and strike a deal with you to, concerning a certain 100cc engine witch would look nice with two cams. I think for Regans sake, the engine needs to be wood and tek screws....

I think that motor might be being carried on with, but I am always easily persuaded with gasoline and a straw.

[mr bucketracer]

Get the coke bro

[seymour14]

Get the coke bro

Got the coke bro.

[F5 Dave]

Well probably the most successful team in bucket racing history.

[seymour14]

Well probably the most successful team in bucket racing history.

Possibly has something to do with doing too much coke.:eek:

[Bert]

Possibly has something to do with doing too much coke.:eek:

No such thing as too much coke....

[Pumba]

God this thread must be setting off the police computer somewhere with this talk of coke.

[Bert]

God this thread must be setting off the police computer somewhere with this talk of coke.

Yes, imagine the planned raids on GPR head quarters for the boxes of coke. We must upgrade to pellets...

[husaberg]

God this thread must be setting off the police computer somewhere with this talk of coke.

Using the name of the supreme sky pixie likely does the same at Vatican central........<_<

[mr bucketracer]

Had the first ride on mine 300 at the track today , been putting it of for a long thinking , what going to go wrong ... more work ! but apart from a sliping cluch it started and went all day , did not over puch it but got faster as the day went . just want it to feel like its part of me before given it heaps ..lol

[mr bucketracer]

need the other team mates out there to push each other along:spanking:

[TALLIS]

need the other team mates out there to push each other along:spanking:
I just need to just man up and spend the couple of days needed to sort mine out. See you tomorrow :cool:

[mr bucketracer]

I just need to just man up and spend the couple of days needed to sort mine out. See you tomorrow :cool:i good day would all but sort it , see ya tomorrow

[mr bucketracer]

Possibly has something to do with doing too much coke.:eek:poject x needs a part made (-;

[seymour14]

poject x needs a part made (-;

I will bring the coke.:Police:

See ya tomorrow night.

Sniff, sniff, snort...

[TALLIS]

Seems like deadbiker theses days, so I thought I'd do an update on the new bucket :msn-wink: had it finally fired up today, only the finishing touch's to go. Once again a mega team effort, thanks to the Griffiths brothers and uncle scott. Mate your awesome :Punk:
Now to ride the thing

[mr bucketracer]

Seems like deadbiker theses days, so I thought I'd do an update on the new bucket :msn-wink: had it finally fired up today, only the finishing touch's to go. Once again a mega team effort, thanks to the Griffiths brothers and uncle scott. Mate your awesome :Punk:
Now to ride the thingsome say good old aunty scott , others say the truth (-;:confused:

[goose8]

Seems like deadbiker theses days, so I thought I'd do an update on the new bucket :msn-wink: had it finally fired up today, only the finishing touch's to go. Once again a mega team effort, thanks to the Griffiths brothers and uncle scott. Mate your awesome :Punk:
Now to ride the thing

Looking good when's the first ride?

[Bert]

Seems like deadbiker theses days, so I thought I'd do an update on the new bucket :msn-wink: had it finally fired up today, only the finishing touch's to go. Once again a mega team effort, thanks to the Griffiths brothers and uncle scott. Mate your awesome :Punk:
Now to ride the thing

Looking good.
Looking even better on track in four weeks time :niceone:

[TALLIS]

Looking good when's the first ride?

Hopefully as Bert says in a few weeks. Be interesting to see how it goes, suspensions setup will be the key. Anyone have Robert Taylor's cell number?

[goose8]

Hopefully as Bert says in a few weeks. Be interesting to see how it goes, suspensions setup will be the key. Anyone have Robert Taylor's cell number?

0900setthesag

[Bert]

Hopefully as Bert says in a few weeks. Be interesting to see how it goes, suspensions setup will be the key. Anyone have Robert Taylor's cell number?

Yip.

Looking forward to a full GPR turnout next round. Even close to having my new bucket motor ready to take on the juniors.. Sooo close....:2thumbsup:wings::wings::wings:

We just need to sort out where the top end has gone. Maybe the muffler mod sucked the life out of her... Hopefully we can sort it today

[TALLIS]

0900setthesag

I called, and it's some gay erotic hotline? Sounded like Robert and probably cost the same too. I think it just may take awhile to get it working.

[TALLIS]

Yip.

Looking forward to a full GPR turnout next round. Even close to having my new bucket motor ready to take on the juniors.. Sooo close....:2thumbsup:wings::wings::wings:


Yes, bully boy lol

[seymour14]

Coming in tonight to discuss Project X vortex intake manifold, do you need liquid cooling, or do you have enough in the cupboard?:laugh:

I speaketh in riddles, but you should know what is up...

[mr bucketracer]

Coming in tonight to discuss Project X vortex intake manifold, do you need liquid cooling, or do you have enough in the cupboard?:laugh:

I speaketh in riddles, but you should know what is up...me have the zero

[mr bucketracer]

https://www.facebook.com/scott.griffiths.526/posts/1239072136104751?comment_id=1239107332767898for the boys to look at , just started again easy , no smoke this time . happy man

[TALLIS]

https://www.facebook.com/scott.griffiths.526/posts/1239072136104751?comment_id=1239107332767898for the boys to look at , just started again easy , no smoke this time . happy man
Sounds slow

[mr bucketracer]

Getting there321977

[Pumba]

No KTM orange?

[Grumph]

Is that fuel in the tail ?

You're a braver man than me....

Oh, the red is just about a match for OE VF400F std red.

[husaberg]

Is that fuel in the tail ?

You're a braver man than me....

Oh, the red is just about a match for OE VF400F std red.
I assume it's a breather? if not order some asbestos undies or let Brent test it out for the first 100 hours or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLLXowBOsE

[mr bucketracer]

Is that fuel in the tail ?

You're a braver man than me....

Oh, the red is just about a match for OE VF400F std red.oil tank , night mare finding a place for it , that was the 3thd oil tank i have made and still worryed lol

[mr bucketracer]

No KTM orange?its a aprilia 550 (-; , aprilia red ..maybe lol

[Pumba]

its a aprilia 550 (-; , aprilia red ..maybe lol

Clearly I cant keep up, you have too many toys. Thought it was the KTMF4.

[mr bucketracer]

Clearly I cant keep up, you have too many toys. Thought it was the KTMF4.ok will at lease give it to you that its the tail of it (-;

[Grumph]

oil tank , night mare finding a place for it , that was the 3thd oil tank i have made and still worryed lol

Shit are those things dry sumped ? I thought it was the honda V4.
Asbestos knickers for the pilot may be needed....
Bloody V twins fill the frames don't they, space gets hard to find. Wedge shaped tank in front of the sump ?

What about using the swingarm like a Buell ?

[husaberg]

oil tank , night mare finding a place for it , that was the 3thd oil tank i have made and still worryed lol

Shit are those things dry sumped ? I thought it was the honda V4.
Asbestos knickers for the pilot may be needed....
Bloody V twins fill the frames don't they, space gets hard to find. Wedge shaped tank in front of the sump ?

What about using the swingarm like a Buell ?
321982321983

A few Honda bits in the clutch and gearbox some Porsche stuff in the head not including the suspension bits and bobs, the rest all EMU engineering
Hes made old style BSA v twins as well as a Norton Rotary racer.

ps tut tut on unsprung with a swingarm reservoir Greg. Although it sure does look inviting.

[Grumph]

321982321983

A few Honda bits in the clutch and gearbox some Porsche stuff in the head not including the suspension bits and bobs, the rest all EMU engineering
Hes made old style BSA v twins as well as a Norton Rotary racer.

ps tut tut on unsprung with a swingarm reservoir Greg. Although it sure does look inviting.

First up, 50% or so of swingarm weight is sprung weight.

Second - that BSA? looks a hell of a lot like it's based on Yamaha TR1 cases to me....Sold my TR1 motor recently, sadly.

Thirdly, Scott, you need to publish a reference list of just what you've built and where it's at, it's very confusing for the rest of us....

[Bert]

First up......

Thirdly, Scott, you need to publish a reference list of just what you've built and where it's at, it's very confusing for the rest of us....

http://www.gprnz.com/GPR-Frame-Concept.html

Under the "GPR concept bikes" tab there is a list. ;)

Aprilia SVX550
http://www.gprnz.com/gpr007.html

[husaberg]

First up, 50% or so of swingarm weight is sprung weight.

Second - that BSA? looks a hell of a lot like it's based on Yamaha TR1 cases to me....Sold my TR1 motor recently, sadly.

Thirdly, Scott, you need to publish a reference list of just what you've built and where it's at, it's very confusing for the rest of us....

well yes half but its the whole lot of added oil weight.
Its all built by emu def no TRI cases the finning is based on Gold star dimensions and the the v angle is so the pistons don't collide.
be designed it as a bike that BSA could have made if they were still in business same with the older bsa based v twins, he did these as the bikes they should have made
I will post the article on all them if you want. In a few days pretty sure it was in CB.

[Grumph]

well yes half but its the whole lot of added oil weight.

I will post the article on all them if you want. In a few days pretty sure it was in CB.

Ask scott if the worry about the weight of what ? 2 litres ? of oil in the arm outweighs the worry of making a secure and oiltight seat....
If I couldn't find space in the frame - or even use the frame like a Rickman - I reckon the arm is a pretty good option.

Don't bother about the article for me, not interested thanks.

[mr bucketracer]

.8 of a letre of oil in the tank or seat .. .4 in the engine..1.2 total .worry been how it's sucks it though the engine .been not full up right tank , It could run to the back of the seat under a wheely etc. or whats in the engine work for that? Typing this of the phone .what a ass

[TALLIS]

.8 of a letre of oil in the tank or seat .. .4 in the engine..1.2 total .worry been how it's sucks it though the engine .been not full up right tank , It could run to the back of the seat under a wheely etc. or whats in the engine work for that? Typing this of the phone .what a ass

Oil or fuel in the frame would be nice, flow mite be a problem. Would be interesting to work out what the capacity would be. Front of swing arm would work well for 800ml of oil tho.

[mr bucketracer]

Oil or fuel in the frame would be nice, flow mite be a problem. Would be interesting to work out what the capacity would be. Front of swing arm would work well for 800ml of oil tho.i got this thing about pumping oil up hill (-;

[Grumph]

i got this thing about pumping oil up hill (-;

I've got this thing about oil draining down into the sump when not in use...But i've had several Nortons, lol...

If you look at where the sump pickup usually is in a wet sump motor, using the arm as a reservoir puts the oil level well above the pump pickup.
And as it's lower,and central, the bike's attitude changes affect the level less.

Is the Prilla a roller or plain bearing motor ? Roller is way less sensitive to interrupted oil supply as it can live on oil mist.
Plain bearing of course it can be catastrophic.

Shortly after the Triumph 1050 Sprints came out i was asked to look at four damaged motors for an opinion.
The pickups in the early ones were in the wrong place IMO and as soon as they were wheelied, instant bearing failure...

[TALLIS]

i got this thing about pumping oil up hill (-;

Mate, think about my high performance buell/Harley... Lol. If it's good enough for Erick buell.... but then again he has some weird ideas. But in saying that the rotax twins use the same system. Would keep it very tidy.

[mr bucketracer]

Its a plain bearing engine , need a exploded veiw of the engine to see how the pump works

[Grumph]

Its a plain bearing engine , need a exploded veiw of the engine to see how the pump works

I simply googled aprilia sxv550 and found the section in the aprilia forum. There's a very good thread on how the oiling system works. i can't post a link but I'm sure husa could...
I can see why they have sealant problems...112 - 122 psi oil pressure above 5000 rpm....holy shit !!
But the rods being fed via a seal in the alternator cover and the rear head via the clutch cover, both make me wince.
Otherwise it's a straightforward dry sump system - and i'd have a bigger tank than 800ml....

Edit After reading the last link Husa posted, i think I'd put a couple of man sized breathers on the thing too...Not as if you have to worry about emissions.

[husaberg]

I simply googled aprilia sxv550 and found the section in the aprilia forum. There's a very good thread on how the oiling system works. i can't post a link but I'm sure husa could...
I can see why they have sealant problems...112 - 122 psi oil pressure above 5000 rpm....holy shit !!
But the rods being fed via a seal in the alternator cover and the rear head via the clutch cover, both make me wince.
Otherwise it's a straightforward dry sump system - and i'd have a bigger tank than 800ml....



Aprilia system.
321997

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=100176&stc=1&d=1232473246
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?142566-Engine-Oiling-Systems-Functional-Description
http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?100386-Another-quot-oil-dumping-quot-thread

[mr bucketracer]

maybe its the Scavenge Pump feeds the mains and bigends before back to the tank? good if thats the case

[Grumph]

maybe its the Scavenge Pump feeds the mains and bigends before back to the tank? good if thats the case

No no no....All pressure fed bearings come from the pressure side of the pump. The scavenge pump apparently has a bleed hole in the return line to lube the clutch area. Only the oil sitting in the heads can be said to passively lube anything. What is in the motor and not under pressure is draining to where it gets picked up by the scavenge pump and returned to the tank.....

You quoted .4 Liter in the motor at any one time. This is easily accounted for by around 200ml in the filter, plus what's in the heads and what's misted and draining down. When i dry sumped a ZZR1100 for a chair, there was always around 1 liter left in the thing. That was as good as i could get it. Too many nooks and crannies for the oil to get trapped in....

[mr bucketracer]

322154changed the oil tank , around 2 letres

[seymour14]

322154changed the oil tank , around 2 letres

Looking good bro, must be snug behind the fairing I'm guessing. Cleaner look when it's all together. No running short of oil now...:cool:

[Bert]

322154changed the oil tank , around 2 letres

Things don't take long when you put your mind to it.

Nice.

[Grumph]

322154changed the oil tank , around 2 letres

Sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do....Looks good to me.

Pic is one i did a few years back - squeezed a 500 triumph and oil tank into the space a 350 wet sump macchi engine just fits....

Note where the battery finished up.

[mr bucketracer]

that tank fits in nice , at less the tank fits behind the fairing and fell like its not going to blow up because its wrong in some way

[husaberg]

Sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do....Looks good to me.

Pic is one i did a few years back - squeezed a 500 triumph and oil tank into the space a 350 wet sump macchi engine just fits....

Note where the battery finished up.

look at you, posting pics and stuff..............:niceone:

[Bert]

look at you, posting pics and stuff..............:niceone:

I think Grump has found a kindred spirit.

Lovely looking bike Grump.

[Grumph]

I think Grump has found a kindred spirit.

Lovely looking bike Grump.

It started out as they do - looking very good when handed over. As Scott will attest, once an owner has it in their possession, things change....And not always for the better. Husa may actually remember the bike that motor came from - it's a late Daytona which was in a modified Cub frame...which flexed like fuck. It had of course been built on the coast....

A while back, I found that something had changed on here and I could suddenly post pics. It still takes forever so don't expect many more....

[mr bucketracer]

look at you, posting pics and stuff..............:niceone:His training is complete:killingme

[Grumph]

His training is complete:killingme

Not quite, lol , I'm still to build a trellis frame like yours....next one up if all goes well.

And i'll never be another Husa as i can't post links - for which you should all be duly grateful.

[husaberg]

Not quite, lol , I'm still to build a trellis frame like yours....next one up if all goes well.

And i'll never be another Husa as i can't post links - for which you should all be duly grateful.

Posting links is even easier Greg.
You just copy out the address of the page and paste it in.
322189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91QF6Xbaow

His training is complete:killingme
Maybe we will have to call him "Darth" Santa

[mr bucketracer]

Looking good bro, must be snug behind the fairing I'm guessing. Cleaner look when it's all together. No running short of oil now...:cool:see you at home

[mr bucketracer]

https://youtu.be/mJKLgKu6VkU
first race on nsr300 , down abit on power and getting head around corning faster but bike felt good so will get there , rained after first race and had no way of pumping tires on rims so need to oganise myself better . (-; , video up soon , intresting looking at forks working .

[Bert]

https://youtu.be/mJKLgKu6VkU
first race on nsr300 , down abit on power and getting head around corning faster but bike felt good so will get there , rained after first race and had no way of pumping tires on rims so need to oganise myself better . (-; , video up soon , intresting looking at forks working .

Sorry for not bringing the compressor.
Lack of tie downs..

Great seeing both you and the bike out there. Looks like slightly heaver fork springs are needed.

[husaberg]

https://youtu.be/mJKLgKu6VkU
first race on nsr300 , down abit on power and getting head around corning faster but bike felt good so will get there , rained after first race and had no way of pumping tires on rims so need to oganise myself better . (-; , video up soon , intresting looking at forks working .

I think you need some stiffer fork springs there Scott.

[mr bucketracer]

yes guys , worked that out , fatboy me lol

[mr bucketracer]

Sorry for not bringing the compressor.
Lack of tie downs..

Great seeing both you and the bike out there. Looks like slightly heaver fork springs are needed.all considering the bike did feel good , rock on next round

[Bert]

all considering the bike did feel good , rock on next round

Bugger you missed the wet races, knowing how well you ride in the wet; I suspect that you would have been further towards the front of the pack.

[mr bucketracer]

Bugger you missed the wet races, knowing how well you ride in the wet; I suspect that you would have been further towards the front of the pack.don't no why but seems most the feild pulled out the first wet race on mylaps ?? rich and richerd ? whats happen?

[richban]

don't no why but seems most the feild pulled out the first wet race on mylaps ?? rich and richerd ? whats happen?

The full results are not up yet, I got second and Richard got 4th I think.

Man your bike must have been down like 8hp with the main jets you had.

[mr bucketracer]

The full results are not up yet, I got second and Richard got 4th I think.

Man your bike must have been down like 8hp with the main jets you had.i should pull finger and stop been lazy , to meany projects , hope to have them other boys out next time and a aprilia

[Bert]

i should pull finger and stop been lazy , to meany projects , hope to have them other boys out next time and a aprilia

.8

https://www.accu-products.com/spring-kits/honda-rs125-front-fork-springs-1995-2009.html
:niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::nice one::niceone::niceone:

[richban]

.8

https://www.accu-products.com/spring-kits/honda-rs125-front-fork-springs-1995-2009.html
:niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::nice one::niceone::niceone:

I run 8.5 in my bucket and 9 in the 300. Also let me know the spring dimensions. I might have some 8's you could cut to make 9's

[mr bucketracer]

.8

https://www.accu-products.com/spring-kits/honda-rs125-front-fork-springs-1995-2009.html
:niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::niceone::nice one::niceone::niceone:what year did the radal front end come out ?

[Bert]

what year did the radal front end come out ?

2004 I think.

I don't think it matters, internals are the same.

[mr bucketracer]

Leaving now k..need zero to

[seymour14]

Leaving now k..need zero to

Roger wilco. Already done a line...

[mr bucketracer]

found brents lost tie down .them kids lol322399

[Bert]

found brents lost tie down .them kids lol322399

Cool. Now for the rest of them :innocent:

[timg]

found brents lost tie down .them kids lol322399Hey Mr BR, check yr email ;)

[mr bucketracer]

Hey Mr BR, check yr email ;)away to night but need to send map to you

[mr bucketracer]

Hey Mr BR, check yr email ;)oh dear :gob:

[seymour14]

got a 13mm drill bro and some zero (-;

Shouldn't be a problem, I'll get them both and see you tonight before 5.

Bit late cos of some machining that may take a little longer, wink wink, nudge, nudge, say no more...:soon:

[Bert]

Something to follow up on....

nice wheel options (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/products/warp-9-racing-tubeless-forged-aluminum-wheels-supermoto/)

[richban]

Something to follow up on....

nice wheel options (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/products/warp-9-racing-tubeless-forged-aluminum-wheels-supermoto/)



Very cool. Might give them a bell. Need some wheels for the NSR.

[goose8]

Where has the ese thread gone ?

[TALLIS]

...........................................

[mr bucketracer]

Where has the ese thread gone ?you kick start it off:lol:

[Bert]

lol yes , got to use a bucket thread to be better than honda, yamaha etc lmao ,2 strokes are fun but realy living the past, sad realy :laugh:

Didn't you guys just build a two stroke ?

Hand built cylinder from scratch.
Using a random idea and untested method.
Shame you only managed 29.8hp at 10,000rpm with a 24mm Carb.

Not even a mention within the ESE thread. (Corrected: this is not quite true, used as a placeholder; to lead into the next set of statements. This isn't fair on Robs recognition of effort that you guys had put in).

Not really good enough to be recognised by anyone out of NZ.
- no doubt if you had hand ported a lawn mower to the same specs, then some recognition would have been forth coming.
Shame you only managed 29.8hp at 10,000rpm with a 24mm Carb. Damn already said that...


Shame it didn't perform at the GP.
Forth wasn't that flash, if you guys had read the ese thread and applied everything that has been offered up: then well.....

You might have got.... well.... forth... more than likely...
It's more than a motor or a bike that wins races - and man was it close for a good amount of the race...
The really cool thing was it finished, it was at the point end - and you guys did it your way.
That's a win in my book (all be it a win for kiwi persistence and left field thinking).
And let's be fair - most of the best results and stepped enhancements in GPs (real bikes) came from people applying their own theories to problems and working through the the issues in a different manner.

At least another one of your bikes got third (but better not mention that as its not a two stroke).

The really sad thing about all of this.
Shame things have degraded to the level it has, originally some valid points were raised and personal opinions (that differed from conventional views) were put foreword (those views were shot down very very harshly). Context was lost and the whole thing degraded to a pissing comp. and it's still going...
Great that Wobs got a job (he is a very talented tuner).

Maybe this will also mean a little less frustrated keyboard harassment of those putting their own concepts forward and little time to reply to a million Kart related questions that have pushed Rob out of his own great thread...

[TZ350]

"wobblys the greatest tuner in the world" t ... :2thumbsup

Talent being recognized by Jan Theal is truly something, Wob deserves his afternoon of fame. ..... :drinknsin

[TZ350]

Didn't you guys just build a two stroke ? Hand built cylinder from scratch. 29.8hp at 10,000rpm with a 24mm Carb.


Tokoroa GP

320468

The mighty Team GPR 125cc air cooled two stroke with a hidden secret.

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Inside the air scoop is two high powered fans, these worked well and if the bike had a generator it looks like the fans would have been able to keep the engine temperature more reasonable for the whole race, clever idea.

The GPR125 impresses me, I have talked about it several times on the ESE thread, The GPR 125 is probably the highest powered 2T that has finished more races than any other 30hp air cooled unit, certainly more than mine.


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Here's a picture of the race bike we have just finished with a three piece CNC barrel and CNC air cooled head, it pulls outrageous hp and torque figures for its bucket racing restrictions. Will post up more pictures tomorrow.

I would love Seymore to post more details on the ESE thread about this great Bucketeering effort.

[seymour14]

The GPR125 impresses me, I have talked about it several times on the ESE thread, The GPR 125 is probably the highest powered 2T that has finished more races than any other 30hp air cooled unit, certainly more than mine.



I would love Seymore to post more details on the ESE thread about this great Bucketeering effort.

I have turned to Islam, and it is against my religion.

I am now the angriest pacifist you will ever meet...:angry::innocent:

Speaking of things I can't speak about, when are you fuckers going to let the oldies have a chance at a GP and race it at a bigger track? We all know who the King of Tokoroa is, let others have a fair go for once...

fuckers...:angry::innocent:

Peace out.

[TZ350]

GP and race it at a bigger track?
I am with you there, loved those two day TRRS meetings after Xmas at Taupo, got a GP podium finish there one year. What track would you favor? Manfield could be good, more central, something easier for southern teams to get to. It would be great to run the GP on a bigger track again. I have been to the BoB at Ruapuna a couple of times, once to ride another time to spectate. It would be great to be able to have the GP more accessible for everyone.

[Bert]

just when you think everyone is getting on ...bang , starts up again , and who gets the fingers pointed at ? back to buckets i think :yes:

Water and ducks backs backs buddy...

Don't worry about it

[Bert]

i'm not worryed . lol , all i know is the bucket threads are dieing

Time we ramped it up again.

Bring on the 50cc tuning sessions.
Maybe even some interesting 85cc TZ125s.

Mouth watering.


Maybe even getting our shit sorted and get some local racing sorted - so we can talk about our own shit and have fun again!!!

[husaberg]

Didn't you guys just build a two stroke ?

Hand built cylinder from scratch.
Using a random idea and untested method.
Shame you only managed 29.8hp at 10,000rpm with a 24mm Carb.

Not even a mention within the ESE thread. (Corrected: this is not quite true, used as a placeholder; to lead into the next set of statements. This isn't fair on Robs recognition of effort that you guys had put in).

Not really good enough to be recognised by anyone out of NZ.
...




Water and ducks backs backs buddy...
Don't worry about it

Have you looked at just how many views your balls being released from their cadge got Bert?
it was plenty.......
Well over 800 a lot of that was from posting links back to it from a recent discussion on the ese thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124128-Bucket-development-A-few-questions-for-the-wise-ones?p=1130345996#post1130345996
Did anyone post the pics of the GPR 125 Air cooled on ESE?

[Bert]

Have you looked at just how many views your balls being released from their cadge got Bert?
it was plenty.......
Well over 800 a lot of that was from posting links back to it from a recent discussion on the ese thread
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124128-Bucket-development-A-few-questions-for-the-wise-ones?p=1130345996#post1130345996
Did anyone post the pics of the GPR 125 Air cooled on ESE?

Yes Husa. And yes, as TZ had already shown.

800 views of shiny white balls... That reminds me of my student days:spanking:

I assume you are trying to make a point with this post; I also assume you read what I wrote and thought about what was written.
Or is this a case of keyboards at dawn?

[husaberg]

Yes Husa. And yes, as TZ had already shown.

800 views of shiny white balls... That reminds me of my student days:spanking:

I assume you are trying to make a point with this post; I also assume you read what I wrote and thought about what was written.
Or is this a case of keyboards at dawn?

I will be well into my work day at dawn.........:msn-wink:
I did read your post.

What I am saying, in my own roundabout way is, if you want publicity, it pays to advertise.........

No photos of your balls though........

[Bert]

I will be well into my work day at dawn.........:msn-wink:
I did.
What I am saying in my own roundabout way is, if you want publicity it pays to advertise.........

Can't say I'm that flash at that time of day... Late starter and require significant amount of coffee.

:msn-wink:
It's not quite the same when it's shameless self promotion, or when very few actually understand the efforts or even give two hoots or in some cases just flat out bag the efforts or state everything done is a fken waste of time or effort.

[husaberg]

Can't say I'm that flash at that time of day... Late starter and require significant amount of coffee.

:msn-wink:
It's not quite the same when it's shameless self promotion, or when very few actually understand the efforts or even give two hoots or in some cases just flat out bag the efforts or state everything done is a fken waste of time or effort.

Shameless self promotion is sometimes what it takes to get noticed.
Have you forgotten how much of that John Britten did back in the day.
There will always be those wanting to bag. I think its a Kiwi thing.
Imagine being an All Black like I was and having to read the game reviews and blogs.

[Bert]

Shameless self promotion is sometimes what it takes to get noticed.
Have you forgotten how much of that John Britten did back in the day.
There will always be those wanting to bag. I think its a Kiwi thing.
Imagine being an All Black like I was and having to read the game reviews and blogs.

Well yea I suppose - but not really my point.

Shit falls down, those that sit high and mighty; need to remember that those they want to look up at them, still smell and taste the shit. Things can get sour fast and people will stop looking up.

Almost made sense...

On a more sadder note, worthy of a read.


http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motorcycles/what-will-be-salom-s-legacy

[husaberg]

Well yea I suppose - but not really my point.

Shit falls down, those that sit high and mighty; need to remember that those they want to look up at them, still smell and taste the shit. Things can get sour fast and people will stop looking up.

Almost made sense...

It would be easier if there were groupies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgIUguOYYtg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsr6Qg84bLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BvL1IqR2og
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB3UYgwED3c

[TALLIS]

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[FastFred]

GP and race it at a bigger track? We all know who the King of Tokoroa is, let others have a fair go for once... fuckers...:angry::innocent:

Track hire ... Taupo number 2 track $4500 per day Sat and Sun, ($9000 for the weekend). Manifield about half that, Tokoroa was $450 for the two days. When are you GPR fuckers going to sponsor a GP at Taupo or Manfield so we can all race at a real track without having to pay more than we can afford ... :angry::innocent:

[FastFred]

The guys who organised Tokoroa are keen. They can supply a Steward and Clerk of the Course and MNZ permit you will need Flagies and race secretary, sign on people, medic, scrutineers and of course a race meeting to go to.

[Bert]

be nice if we could run it in the lunch break of somones meeting and have are own flagys at taupo


The guys who organised Tokoroa are keen. They can supply a Steward and Clerk of the Course and MNZ permit you will need Flagies and race secretary, sign on people, medic, scrutineers and of course a race meeting to go to.

And that gentlemen sums it up in a nutshell.

TRRS - was a massive undertaking by a very small group of committed people: whom kindly invited buckets to be involved. Little benefit for them. Noted - all involved likely thanked them - noted not to upset people.....

Lunchtime breaks are needed (vollies are actually covered under employment law and having breaks is part of this and the are H&S considerations that need to be considered: Heath and wellbeing - exposure etc. etc.).
On top of this is issues around liability and permits (ran into this last round - running my junior training session at lunch and having an accident)...
Things aren't just that simple any more... Everyone has to except that times have changed, even in hillbilly land...
Even with our own flaggies, they would have to be involved with the wider original safety briefing and there would be complexities around CoC/Steward swapping under MNZ permits (which would cost more being a NZ title - than it would for general club permit)..

But, we as a community can't not just wish or expect clubs/groups/private orgs - to invite us along (to full in lunch breaks - which are had to ensure that their vollies can have a bite to eat and relax a bit); if we do not get involved or help said clubs/groups first and work with them to ensure the boxes are ticked.

Rant time.....:angry2::angry2:
This is something that really frustrates me (being on the inside of a club whom struggles to get vollies - and really attempts to look after the ones we do get). Plenty of riders (not racing on said day) don't put their hands up to help out organisers; then wander why things don't happen for them in the future...

Reminds me of last VMCC round, plenty of comments about the lunch break. "Why do the vollies need a break?" "Just drop them out a bagged lunch!" "It's not fair, now it's raining and Me mate could have had a dry race"....
Little recognition that the vollies had given up their day (for free) been on track & helping setup since 7am (and it was only just 10 degrees and about to turn to shit).... At least the organisers could do is give them a feed.
A significant about of these types of comments came from nonracing riders supporting their buddies (I'm all for this, but they would have been better off helping the organisers to ensure the meeting actually ran rather than bitching about how it's run)...

Bigger picture, a number of non racing riders whom bitch about how things are run (or not offered by clubs) within the club they belong too; whom can't actually be bothered turning up to their clubs AGMs and state what they want from said club.... Get proactive and get involved.

Sighhhh, it's been a long week. I feel better after a rant though.
No doubt some people will read lots into this, I'm not picking on anyone - merely pointing out the complexities that now exist, it's not that simple to just do stuff like the old days. It sucks but, if the sport (big and small) is to survive then we need to play by the rules and suck it up.

Side note. Manfield backtrack ~$1400 plus gst per day. But you need to cover required ambo now (new requirement post H&S regs).... A weekend deal could be done or 1.5 days (0.5 being non racing track time without ambo)....

And completely left field:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/complete-engines/auction-1109123354.htm
Maybe a moto3 - GPR super tune and GPR frame: and a skinny young buck!!!

[Grumph]

i think brents just put me off rood racing for life:facepalm:

I certainly wouldn't want to be starting out again in today's climate.
To what he already said, add limitations being placed on circuits which mean less days available which equals ever higher costs....

[husaberg]

And completely left field:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/complete-engines/auction-1109123354.htm
Maybe a moto3 - GPR super tune and GPR frame: and a skinny young buck!!!

Couldn't you use any size single 4t?
or at least 500WC 2t
I must admit haven't read the rules in a while?

[seymour14]

i think brents just put me off rood racing for life:facepalm:

Get in line.

Starting to save now, a GP race meet at a larger track could even be committed to now for everyone, but there is no heart to want to go there. Just wanted to get that cleared up.

I won't be coming back to video another Ground Hog Day, or spending my money towards a benefit concert for one person. Hope you enjoyed the dog-tags, they are collectors items now...

[F5 Dave]

Just heading off for a weekend of dirtbike riding.

My GG300 is fantastic. But I wonder what it would be like if someone made a slighty smaller lighter frame for it, though I'm not sure that sort of thing could be done in New Zealand.:innocent:

[Bert]

i think brents just put me off rood racing for life:facepalm:


Get in line.

Starting to save now, a GP race meet at a larger track could even be committed to now for everyone, but there is no heart to want to go there. Just wanted to get that cleared up.

I won't be coming back to video another Ground Hog Day, or spending my money towards a benefit concert for one person. Hope you enjoyed the dog-tags, they are collectors items now...

Be sure, I'm not picking on anyone.

I'd love to race GP again at Taupo. But it's going to take a lot more effort that yester-year.

And everyone needs to know about these efforts that are required.
One very good thing about paying into a team account regularly. Money builds up and covers more expensive trips and entries.

One good thing is that the GP is far removed from the rest of the fun we all have.
Welly, north island series, traveling south and very very very soon local fun.

And, there is no automatic wins, so who's to say it's ground hog day...:msn-wink:

[TZ350]

Manfield backtrack ~$1400 plus gst per day. But you need to cover required ambo now (new requirement post H&S regs)....

Looked at Ambo sites to try to figure out the cost but no joy. So guesstimated it based on skilled labor and machine charge out rates.

Manfield two days = $2,800 and the Ambo could easily double that so $5,600

Assuming 45 paid up riders spread over all Bucket classes and the GP.

$5,600 / 45 = $125 probably some other expenses like transponder, cleanup afterwards so maybe $165 (Taupo looks like $280)

We are used to paying 35-45 would something like 165 fly for enough people? Is there someone or a group in the Manfield area to under-wright the financial risk and happy to take on the organisation. The Auckland guys would be very happy to come to a meeting they have not had to organize themselves.

[Bert]

Looked at Ambo sites to try to figure out the cost but no joy. So guesstimated it based on skilled labor and machine charge out rates.

Manfield two days = $2,800 and the Ambo could easily double that so $5,600

Assuming 45 paid up riders spread over all Bucket classes and the GP.

$5,600 / 45 = $125 probably some other expenses like transponder, cleanup afterwards so maybe $165 (Taupo looks like $280)

We are used to paying 35-45 would something like 165 fly for enough people? Is there someone or a group in the Manfield area to under-wright the financial risk and happy to take on the organisation. The Auckland guys would be very happy to come to a meeting they have not had to organize themselves.

Ambo, cost between 500-1200 a day depending on level of on site response.

To answer your question re local club etc. the answer is kinda...

I'll get all the info I've got and email it through to key personal, we have had some discussion (but usually it's been around 11pm and a fair few beers)...

[TZ350]

That would be great if they can pull it off.