MotoGP 2016

[Dadpole]

That race would have been boring for all except those who enjoyed seeing the fossil take the win. I liked it - put him back in touch for the championship.
Better still was seeing him looking more relaxed before the race. I was hoping Pedrosa would keep up but he faded badly. Laverty did well too.

In all, another race where unusual things happened. Dovi had to drink from the well of bitterness again. What does he have to do? Sacrifice a goat on the start grid?

MOTO3 - Can I change my prediction of Fenati for the title?

[AllanB]

I was away from a telly/Puta this weekend. Came home to the news the Old Dog won the GP! I think that's fucking awesome news! Apart from the fact it makes for better viewing, it will bring more people back to watching the sport. Congrats to the Old Cunt and his fans!

What he said.

Got ripped off last year.

Make it 2016 Rossi and retire on a high.

Must drag out my no.46 cap .....

[george formby]

That race would have been boring for all except those who enjoyed seeing the fossil take the win. I liked it - put him back in touch for the championship.


MOTO3 - Can I change my prediction of Fenati for the title?

Boring if your watching highlights in a couple of weeks time perhaps but for me it was fist in mouth. Them Michelins don't take any prisoners. MM and JL had to go for points, mature riding. Another WTF race. I am entertained.

Predict away on moto 3, :eek5:

Moto 2.... Not pretty, but a slider winning? Heh. Delicious.

[BMWST?]

I would rather Dylan in the pit commentaries or eugenes brother, after reading his observations regarding other riders setup and riding style. They do not have to talk all the time. It's not radio. And never say master class ever again.

yes half the time you would think Mr Rossi is the only one on the track

[carbonhed]

Will be interesting to see the inevitable influx of confidence your best buddy Rossi will have gotten from beating the local hotshots at their own track. Could make him an even faster cadaver :bleh:

My greatest fear! When you've driven the stake home you should make sure he's well and truly deceased :laugh:

[Autech]

So looking like Mitchie need to fix their tyres, wheel spinning in a straight line in 5th gear should not be happening.


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[5150]

So looking like Mitchie need to fix their tyres, wheel spinning in a straight line in 5th gear should not be happening.


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Not on Rossi's bike anyway ;)

[Drew]

So looking like Mitchie need to fix their tyres, wheel spinning in a straight line in 5th gear should not be happening.


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Sounded like bullshit to me. What with him recording the highest speed all but one lap particularly.

[Autech]

Sounded like bullshit to me. What with him recording the highest speed all but one lap particularly.

Dani Pedrosa has come out saying he was suffering as well as Scott Redding. If only Lorenzo had said it I would ignore it, but Dani and Scott both being at either end of the weight scale had issues, so I'd take that as a yes there may very well be a tyre issue. The race pace was 30secs down on last year, which is massive. If you compare that to the beginning races before they went to the harder construction (Qatar in particular) I think there is a big difference to how the tyres were performing. They have lost the main good thing the tyres had, which was epic rear grip.

Lets hope Dani found something in the Monday test, I want him up there showing the others how it is done. He's got the launches down pat now, thats 4 great starts.

[carbonhed]

Dani Pedrosa has come out saying he was suffering as well as Scott Redding. If only Lorenzo had said it I would ignore it, but Dani and Scott both being at either end of the weight scale had issues, so I'd take that as a yes there may very well be a tyre issue. The race pace was 30secs down on last year, which is massive. If you compare that to the beginning races before they went to the harder construction (Qatar in particular) I think there is a big difference to how the tyres were performing. They have lost the main good thing the tyres had, which was epic rear grip.

Lets hope Dani found something in the Monday test, I want him up there showing the others how it is done. He's got the launches down pat now, thats 4 great starts.

Rossi talked about having a lot of spin in the straights too. Maybe it's a conspiracy of bullshit?

[pritch]

Dani Pedrosa has come out saying he was suffering as well as Scott Redding. If only Lorenzo had said it I would ignore it, but Dani and Scott both being at either end of the weight scale had issues, so I'd take that as a yes there may very well be a tyre issue. The race pace was 30secs down on last year, which is massive.

It was more a track issue. Practice and qualifying were in cooler weather but race day the track temp was about 100f which is above the point at which grip there evaporates.

All of which is vaguely amusing because the pundits were blaming grip problems on the low use tracks where the early GPs were held. It'll be great when we get back to Europe they said. Yeah right.

[Reckless]

Brad Binder wow just wow, best ride of all classes!
Moto 2 crash city, 3rd of the field was it?
Rossi master class in managing the negatives I reckon ie shit tyres with throttle control. If he doesnt try any of his head games this season I might have to put his poster back up in the garage.
MM good ride as the aggressive Honda was possibly one of the worse bikes to ride with the grip problems.
Lorenzo still the same twit he proved to be last season.

Good nights racing overall :)

[denill]

Lorenzo still the same twit he proved to be last season :)

He is OK in my books. He posed with us, half pissed Kiwis in a quiet street in Cowes last year for pics. Didn't have too.

[pritch]

Overnight it was reported that Enea Bastianini has broken his wrist in a MotoX training accident. He is undergoing surgery and is consequently an unlikely starter at Le Mans.

The only positive that accrues from this is that we should be spared listening to Nick Harris' repeatedly mutilating his name.

[Dadpole]

I "obtain" the BT broadcast so my shell-likes are never troubled by Nick Harris. A bonus is they often have Colin Edwards on and he is most informative.

[Erelyes]

I "obtain" the BT broadcast so my shell-likes are never troubled by Nick Harris. A bonus is they often have Colin Edwards on and he is most informative.

Jules ain't great with his ploughnancification either, though.

Can usually obtain Chequered Flag as well which is a good post-race breakdown. Got to see the 'command centre' for Jules / Keith for the Spanish GP, quite interesting.

[Reckless]

I think Mathew Birt is a Rossi fan, You gotta remember its only one race with screwed up tyres that tipped the seesaw Rossi's way.
It was a brilliant ride but I dont think It weas "a mauling". I think I'll wait a few races before making any predictions LOL :facepalm:

One thing remains constant...

One thing remains constant...
For as long as Matthew Birt has been covering MotoGP™, Rossi has been winning and in Jerez The Doctor showed he’s not out of tricks just yet
With 21 years of experience reporting on MotoGP™, Matthew Birt knows the championship inside-out. For the 2016 season he remains with the motogp.com team to bring you exclusive news and opinion from inside the paddock

It seems like an eternity since I covered my first MotoGP™ race at Jerez back in 1996.

I remember it well for the dramatic finale involving Mick Doohan and Alex Criville and the fact that I was able to walk away with only a cracked bone in my elbow and concussion after a truck tried to convert the Motor Cycle News hire car into a matchbox.

In those two decades since, I’ve seen the dreams of a gifted few fulfilled and the dreams of hundreds and hundreds of others fade without trace.

MotoGP™ has changed immeasurably during that time, but only one thing has remained constant.

Valentino Rossi at the top.

He just missed the podium that day when he finished fourth in an epic 125cc race behind Nobby Ueda, who ironically denied him a career first podium by just 0.046s.

If you had told me on May 12, 1996 that on April 24, 2016 I would be witnessing an ageless Rossi still winning in MotoGP™, well my response might have been laced with more than one expletive.

Rossi’s brilliant win last weekend in Jerez was just the latest chapter in a career that has bridged generations and continues to defy logic.

He is a force of nature. A master of reinvention, who aged 37, is still capable of performances that almost render you speechless.

Sunday’s win was his 87th in MotoGP™, yet the first time he’s led every lap from pole position to take a win in his illustrious premier class career.

This is an old dog you can teach new tricks to. Rossi has quickly adapted to the different characteristics of Michelin’s tyres and his wealth of experience means he’s a master in the art of tyre management now the unified software has lessened the influence of rider aids.

Rossi comes from an age before MotoGP™ machines became the laptop guided missiles of the modern era. Back in the day, your right hand was your traction control and in a Spanish Grand Prix where hot conditions turned the race into an examination in controlling wheelspin, Rossi simply coped better than anybody else.

Even Lorenzo’s crew chief Ramon Forcada admitted that after checking data, Rossi had handled the wheelspin issues better. The spinning issues were so severe that a few riders felt like they were riding in the wet. They’d all had to moderate throttle opening on the straight to get drive, and it was MotoGP™’s shrewdest operator that prevailed over its smoothest.

Sunday’s conditions seemed to play to the strengths of Lorenzo and his famed smooth style. Yet The Doctor gave him a taste of his own medicine.

Rossi’s longevity in a sport that demands so much of the mind and body is truly remarkable.

And 2016 has again shown how his willingness to embrace new ideas to help him remain at the top.

The recruitment of double 250cc Luca Cadalora as rider coach might have initially raised a few eyebrows.

What can anybody coach a talent as peerless as Rossi’s? Yet Cadalora’s advice from his eagle eye observations trackside were mentioned by Rossi in the euphoria of his post race celebrations in Jerez.

To put Rossi’s latest and almost unfathomable achievement into perspective, his latest teen protégé Nicolo Bulega is comfortably young enough to be his son.

Bulega was born in October, 1999. Rossi was already a 125cc and 250cc World Champion by that stage and preparing for his first crack at the premier class.

Former friend and now bitter foe Marc Marquez was just three when Rossi was tearing around Jerez with the likes of Peter Oettl, Lucio Cecchinello and Jorge Martinez in 1996.

Oettl was 11th in that race and he now has a 19-year-old son carving out his own reputation in Moto3™. Philipp Oettl was just nine days old when Rossi beat his father in Jerez. Amazing.

It is not only how long he has been racing that you have to admire, but the fact that he has been at the top throughout that almost beggars belief.

Rossi’s desire and motivation to still want to be racing, to still be dragging himself to the gym on a daily basis, and to risk paying the ultimate price in pursuit of pleasure and glory is what blows my mind.

His deflating defeat to Jorge Lorenzo in last year’s World Championship will never be completely erased from his memory. You park those difficult life events in a certain compartment of your brain, but you never completely get over the crushing disappointment.

But Rossi’s ability to rebound in adversity and pick himself and carry on the fight is astonishing. He did it after the Ducati debacle of 2011 and 2012 and he’s doing it again.

Anybody that doesn’t understand his commitment and hunger to be the best should watch back the aftermath of last weekend’s Moto3™ race.

Following Bulega’s brilliant first and certainly not last podium, Rossi went to Parc Ferme to congratulate him. The MotoGP™ warm-up session had finished well over an hour before that, but Rossi was still in his leathers.

He’d been sat diligently with his crew carefully calculating the electronics and set-up master plan to be ready for a much hotter track surface that was to throw up a completely different challenge to the one posed in practice and qualifying.

And there he was, the old warhorse at work, rolling back the years with a performance so brilliant and commanding that he must have felt like a teenager again.

Watching him from the commentary box certainly felt like I was being transported back to 1996 when he first burst onto the scene.

The controversy and tension of the conclusion to 2015 has left Rossi with nothing but contempt for Lorenzo and Marquez.

His mauling of the pair of them on Sunday must have felt extra sweet. Having to stand next to a triumphant Rossi milking it on the podium in front of their home crowd, well that must have been the bitterest pill for Lorenzo and Marquez to swallow.

[speights_bud]

I think Mathew Birt is a Rossi fan...


+1

I only managed to read about half of that....

Wouldn't be surprised if he's booked in to get a VR|46 tattoo like several of Rossi's pit crew..... :tugger:

[carbonhed]

+1

I only managed to read about half of that....

Wouldn't be surprised if he's booked in to get a VR|46 tattoo like several of Rossi's pit crew..... :tugger:

:laugh: You got that right!

[Crasherfromwayback]

The controversy and tension of the conclusion to 2015 has left Rossi with nothing but contempt for Lorenzo and Marquez.

His mauling of the pair of them on Sunday must have felt extra sweet. Having to stand next to a triumphant Rossi milking it on the podium in front of their home crowd, well that must have been the bitterest pill for Lorenzo and Marquez to swallow.[/I]

Lol. Doubt MM or Lorenzo have much respect for Rossi after last year either. And one win, and he's the man again eh? We'll see after the full season I guess. Wouldn't mind betting Rossi will have to stand by and watch either Lorenzo or MM win his home GP at Mugello.

[BMWST?]

yes she is a fickle game alright.All we know is that its any one of those three that will win.I cant help thinkin that if things are more normal it will be MM or J lo more often,throw in a few other variables and we will have a suzuki or duc on the podium too,not to mention Pedro.

[Reckless]

I dont quite know why but I have a feeling KTM are going to do very well when they hit the scene :headbang:

KTM
Prevailing weather conditions however did not favor the development team’s planned tests, cutting their test by a day.
KTM were confined to working in the pits on the first day because air and asphalt temperatures were too low for effective track testing. The second day however showed its sunny side, even if very cold conditions tended to apply the brakes slightly to the scheduled development work on the KTM RC16.

Mike Leitner (Vice President Onroad): “The team markedly increased the performance and there were no problems. Following both tests at the beginning of the year, everyone came to the circuit even better prepared and they were all very focused on their tasks. A very big compliment to both our test riders who did an excellent job despite suboptimal weather conditions. This meant we also managed to complete a good program on the technical side.”

Sebastian Risse (Technical Director Onroad): “As we have not yet arrived at the sunny side of test conditions, we still have a lot of things on our test program. This means we must listen all the more closely to what our riders demand, and set priorities. We are currently paying very close attention to the electronics and the feeling for the tires. What we need for the fine tuning is now really ideal circuit conditions to be able to find out what will make us more constant, and above all, faster.”

Mika Kallio (Test Rider MotoGP™): “Yesterday aside, we can be satisfied with the progress we achieved today. We adjusted our program again for the second day and tried a few things in terms of ergonomics, as well as more work on the engine and the mapping. Unfortunately, with only a constant ten degrees air temperature it was too cold for good grip, but we have a clear plan for the next test and we know what we have to do to improve.”

Randy de Puniet (Test Rider MotoGP™): “Unfortunately also the conditions today were not those we would have wished for, but despite this we still managed to do a lot of work on the traction control, the engine brake and the chassis. The team has done very good work since the last test and there was a noticeable improvement. We’re improving test for test, I feel very well in the team and I hope they feel the same about me.”

The KTM MotoGP™ Factory Racing Team made use of the final day in the pits at Brno for more preparation before directly heading south next week for the fourth test so far this year.

[Autech]

Lets hope their riders are up to speed when it launches. Part of Suzukis success is they have 2 of the best riders in the paddock on board. Going to be good when they are amongst it indeed.


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[denill]

Lets hope their riders are up to speed when it launches. Part of Suzukis success is they have 2 of the best riders in the paddock on board. Going to be good when they are amongst it indeed.

KTM have a history of moving in the right direction and I agree, that they may well be reasonably successful in this formidable journey. A factor is that RdP is the right person for the job.

[pritch]

My main concern with KTM is that their GP bike has a trellis frame. The trellis frames have so many welds that when Ducati used them no two bikes were identical which gave the riders problems switching between bikes. It's difficult to see how that would be any different for KTM.

Of course they could do what Ducati did and hire an experienced contractor to design an aluminium frame.

Also I think it was Oxley commented, it may just be that with Michelin tyres a trellis frame is the way to go?

[Autech]

My main concern with KTM is that their GP bike has a trellis frame. The trellis frames have so many welds that when Ducati used them no two bikes were identical which gave the riders problems switching between bikes. It's difficult to see how that would be any different for KTM.


Yup and they will need to make lots and lots of them as Lowes will no doubt bend a fair few of them biffing them down the track :D




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[Autech]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2016/may/pedrosa-to-join-rossi-at-yamaha-viales-to-remain-at-suzuki/

Might just be my lads best shot at winning a champ


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[Dadpole]

Can't see it myself. Yamaha would not want two riders nearing the end of their careers there. They (and most teams I imagine) would want a young potential Alien and an old hand.
If not Vinales then who to Yamaha? I thing Pol E is out of contention. Rins? Bulega or another Moto3 rider?

I giggled like a schoolgirl at the suggestion of Crutchlow getting the Honda seat. :rofl:

[Autech]

I giggled like a schoolgirl at the suggestion of Crutchlow getting the Honda seat. :rofl:

Yes me too, clearly a British biased article by mcn. That said Crashlots has been the best Honda sat rider for a wee while, but I would bet on Miller or Rabat getting the seat


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[pritch]

That Vinales / Pedrosa prediction is definitely the hot rumour of the day. It's still just a rumour though, but in reaction to it Supo has said Honda want to retain their current riders.

If Vinales stays at Suzuki, the obvious Yamaha recruit would be whichever Andrea is surplus to requirements at Ducati.
Should Yamaha decide they want a youngster, Rins is the most popular prediction.

[Drew]

That Vinales / Pedrosa prediction is definitely the hot rumour of the day. It's still just a rumour though.
I've read two articles. The second just links back to the first as its source. So I'll hold off on speculation for now.

[pritch]

I've read two articles. The second just links back to the first as its source. So I'll hold off on speculation for now.

This "news" was repeatedly referred to on Twitter this morning so I came here to pass it on and saw the originating article had been posted.

With Rossi and Lorenzo having signed early in the season a lot of the heat had gone out of the silly season speculation. That MCN journo is evidently trying to ramp it up.

Anyhoo, there's a race on this weekend so we can focus on the serious stuff. There is some unhappiness among the GP reporters concerning Le Mans. The organisers charge obscene amounts for an Internet connection, and the connection is crap. The crowd is less than pleasant with a lot of aggressive drunks. IIRC David Emmett has boycotted Le Mans in recent years. Oxley referred to the unlovely fans a day or so ago. Those of you contemplating a trip to a European GP may find this an easy one to cross off your list of candidates.

[Asher]

"A report last week in Italian sports paper La Gazzetta dello Sport by top MotoGP reporter Paolo Ianieri has a behind-closed-doors conversation with Yamaha team boss Lin Jarvis pointing the plan C option towards Pedrosa on the 2017 and 2018 Yamaha alongside Rossi who has already signed."

I would love to see Pedrosa on an M1, you would have to think it's his best shot at a championship before he likely retires in 2 years.

Who would go to Honda though? Dovi seems unlikely as he's already had the chance, Iannone possibly but who knows who will stay at Ducati. Crutchlow going to Honda makes me laugh out loud, I can only think of Redding or Rins as the other two that could step up into the role.

[Mental Trousers]

Pedrossa at Yamaha would be great. The Honda has been getting increasingly difficult to ride and they've had to throw the new chassis in the bin and go back to the old one a couple of times. Getting the engine wrong at the start of the season completely messes things up while they try and sort the electronics, chassis etc to get around any engine problem.

I'd like to see Zarco on the Yamaha but his name isn't commonly brought up when available seats are mentioned.

Honda will probably go for someone new so Crutchlow will miss out. Not Redding as he's already established he can't get along with the Honda. Rabat is finding the transition to a big bike difficult and unless he starts improving soon he'll end up getting labelled one of those guys that can't ride a 1000. Mind you, Marquez's management team are a bunch of cocks who are likely to try and pressure Honda into signing someone who won't threaten their golden boy. They'll be pissed off if Pedrossa leaves cos he's been the ideal teammate.

[pritch]

Pedrossa at Yamaha would be great. T

Here is Mr Emmett's take on the situation. Thee and he seem to agree on something.
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/05/04/silly_season_madness_pedrosa_or_vi_ales.html

[pritch]

Here is Mr Emmett's take on the situation. Thee and he seem to agree on something.
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/05/04/silly_season_madness_pedrosa_or_vi_ales.html

Near the end he mentions that Zarco's name is somehow linked to Suzuki.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pedrossa at Yamaha would be great. .

That'd be great to see I reckon. Be his best chance at a title too I think.

[Oscar]

That'd be great to see I reckon. Be his best chance at a title too I think.

Jaysus, TWO things I agree with you about...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jaysus, TWO things I agree with you about...

3. We both like beer. Hope you had a collect on the old Dog last week. If I was Pedro, I would've been looking to get on the Yamaha for years.

[Mental Trousers]

Near the end he mentions that Zarco's name is somehow linked to Suzuki.

A factory ride is everybodies top priority, but I'd put Tech3 a close second. Herve Poncharral is the best team boss in the paddock. I wonder what sort of deal Zarco has with Suzuki.

[Mental Trousers]

Jaysus, TWO things I agree with you about...

3. We both like beer.

That's it, stop the planet, I want to get off

[Autech]

That'd be great to see I reckon. Be his best chance at a title too I think.

I would have to become a faggy Yamaha fan boi though, but to see Dani win it would be worth the sacrifice.

What's the bet it is all bull shit though and MCN is just stirring? Best to break it down to the facts:

There is 1 spare seat at Yamaha
There is 1 Andrea about to be booted from Ducati
There is NO spare seats at Honda
Suzuki have 2 talented riders they want to keep
KTM have 1 spare seat
None of the Satelite riders seem to be impressing massively enough to merit a step up into a factory team.
Pedrosa on a Yamaha would be a fearsome pairing for a lot of a riders to contend with, something Pedrosa would no doubt be aware of.

Guess we will all just have to wait until the music stops.

More importantly, will Dani have any grip this weekend with Mitchies latest tyre gamble and his testing at Jerez?

[Oscar]

3. We both like beer. Hope you had a collect on the old Dog last week. If I was Pedro, I would've been looking to get on the Yamaha for years.

I had a $10 four leg multi which required JL to be on the podium.
Won $107:Punk:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I had a $10 four leg multi which required JL to be on the podium.
Won $107:Punk:

Very sneaky wee bet! Nice return for a tenner.

[Reckless]

Thanks for the article links guys :)

Yeh Boy Pedro to Yamaha!!
Rossi wins no 10 one year. Dani finally wins a championship the next.
By that time hopefully they'll all be in the mix, Yammy, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki, KTM and Apriilia.
Then replace Vale with a hot shot and give Dani another year or two to teach him the ropes.
Win Win :)

[BMWST?]

Thanks for the article links guys :)

Yeh Boy Pedro to Yamaha!!
Rossi wins no 10 one year. Dani finally wins a championship the next.
By that time hopefully they'll all be in the mix, Yammy, Honda, Ducati, Suzuki, KTM and Apriilia.
Then replace Vale with a hot shot and give Dani another year or two to teach him the ropes.
Win Win :)

you will never have all the bikes in the mix.Only an alien will win the title

[BMWST?]

every one should be very afraid if dani goes to yamaha.He has shown that he can show everyone a clean pair of heels.If he is on the best bike in the paddock he might clean up .

[Drew]

every one should be very afraid if dani goes to yamaha.He has shown that he can show everyone a clean pair of heels.If he is on the best bike in the paddock he might clean up .

There isn't gonna be a best bike in the paddock by fuck all margin next year.

The Honda will be sorted...(its fucken Honda, ever seen it not be sorted after a year?) The Yamaha will be better at getting off the turn, the Ducati will be close enough to take out a few Hondas and Yamahas instead of each other, and it should be a good year of racing.

[george formby]

I have absolutely no idea how this season will pan out. Doubtless the usual suspects going at it tooth and nail with a small host of contenders trying to get a wheel in front when they can.
Reading the previous posts and opinions, next season looks even more epic. After last season? Crikey.

I love motogp. Never has the description of circus been more appropriate.

[BMWST?]

There isn't gonna be a best bike in the paddock by fuck all margin next year.

The Honda will be sorted...(its fucken Honda, ever seen it not be sorted after a year?) The Yamaha will be better at getting off the turn, the Ducati will be close enough to take out a few Hondas and Yamahas instead of each other, and it should be a good year of racing.
the honda has been a shitty bike for two and a bit seasons now.

[Reckless]

you will never have all the bikes in the mix.Only an alien will win the title

Agreed we'll have to have more aliens then :)


the honda has been a shitty bike for two and a bit seasons now.

What he said LOL and it don't look like they are goin in the right direction to fix it.
Might be the Stoner effect, MM can ride the wheels of anything like Stoner could. Factories might be a little more lost when tryng to adapt a bike to this type of rider?? I dont really freakin know but it worth dwelling on because Honda seems as lost as Ducati was??

[pritch]

I had a $10 four leg multi which required JL to be on the podium.
Won $107:Punk:

Don't you wish you were one of the Leicester City fans that bet ten quid at the start of the season when they were 5000 to 1.

It cost the bookies over five million pounds. They say they aren't going to offer 5000 to 1 again. Not surprising really. :laugh:

[Rcktfsh]

Near the end he mentions that Zarco's name is somehow linked to Suzuki.

Adding further credibility to the Zarco/Suzuki rumours he has recently purchased a copy of Hugh Anderson's biography. Obviously doing his homework on Suzuki's racing history and most successful GP rider.

[actungbaby]

Adding further credibility to the Zarco/Suzuki rumours he has recently purchased a copy of Hugh Anderson's biography. Obviously doing his homework on Suzuki's racing history and most successful GP rider.

amazing isint it where else whould you get a racing legend take the order and send the book to your personally

and decent man to boot

[pritch]

Mat Oxley has been thinking about tyres:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/rossis-secret

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-tyre-disasters-history

[roogazza]

Mat Oxley has been thinking about tyres:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/rossis-secret

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-tyre-disasters-history

Cheers for putting that up pritch. :yes:

321324 Go Vale, being France it will probably rain . :shifty::rolleyes:

[Rcktfsh]

amazing isint it where else whould you get a racing legend take the order and send the book to your personally

and decent man to boot

Not to forget actually write his own biography.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mat Oxley has been thinking about tyres:

l]

I'm REALLY looking forward to Mugello! One of my fav tracks of all times to watch. Have to go there one year.

[eelracing]

I'm REALLY looking forward to Mugello! One of my fav tracks of all times to watch. Have to go there one year.


Make it soon Pete while you can still bask in the glorious golden glow of His Royal Rossiness...:sunny:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Make it soon Pete while you can still bask in the glorious golden glow of His Royal Rossiness...:sunny:

Gotta agree with you there mate! Would be good to be part of the crowd if the Old Coot wins one there!

[pritch]

Jonas Folger has signed to join Tech3.

Rossi says Movistar want the second rider in the Yamaha team to be Spanish. Like there's a shortage of Spanish riders in the top seats? Vinales and Pedrosa are equal first choice.

[denill]

Jonas Folger has signed to join Tech3.

Rossi says Movistar want the second rider in the Yamaha team to be Spanish. Like there's a shortage of Spanish riders in the top seats? Vinales and Pedrosa are equal first choice.

Pritch, you really are a goldmine of information. Thanks........

And yep! here it is:

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/230044/1/jonas-folger-signs-for-tech-3-yamaha.html

[Badjelly]

Rossi says Movistar want the second rider in the Yamaha team to be Spanish. Like there's a shortage of Spanish riders in the top seats?

Yeah, but Movistar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movistar) is a Spanish company, so...

BTW, it says in the Wikipedia article that they also own the O2 brand, which I recall seeing on rugby jerseys./ It's a small world, innit?

[pritch]

And now for something completely different. One for those nostalgic for the days of GP two strokes? Alex Briggs is now selling a bottle opener.

http://www.wrenchracer.com/bottle-openers.html

[Drew]

And now for something completely different. One for those nostalgic for the days of GP two strokes? Alex Briggs is now selling a bottle opener.

http://www.wrenchracer.com/bottle-openers.html
We made one years ago from a ZX12 rod, after seeing one a mate made from GSXR 250 rod.

[Reckless]

It says hes "shed some light" doesn't read that way torn between the two more like?
He'll go Yamaha who wouldn't sign with the best bike on the grid ATM.
But respect to him if he stays and gives Suzuki another go its actually shaping up to be a damn good bike.

Where Maverick Viñales will go for in 2017 has been the one of the hottest topics in the paddock, now the Spaniard has shed some light.

There’s no doubt that Maverick Viñales is one of the hottest properties in the MotoGP™ World Championship paddock. Since taking the Moto3™ World Championship in 2013 his rise has continued at a rapid pace, spending just a year in Moto2™ before joining the premier class. As soon as Jorge Lorenzo announced his move to Ducati for 2017, the question immediately became who would replace him and at the top of many people’s lists was Maverick Viñales.

While he didn’t reveal who the other team was, it’s clear that Team Suzuki Ecstar aren’t the only ones after Viñales: “I have two teams that can be at the top. I have one team that gave me the trust when I was in Moto2 and still now I am the reference and can be the reference. Then I have another team that is already there winning so it’s really difficult to make the decision.”

There’s only one thing a young rider wants to do when they move to MotoGP™: win. But as Viñales is quickly finding out, it’s not always that straight forward: “I came to MotoGP to win. Suzuki in a year have made an incredible step and if we have a perfect weekend we can fight for the podium. This also makes me think a lot and I trust in Davide Brivio a lot, it makes me think. In the test we were perfect and we were second, so this makes me think a lot too. It’s so difficult; honestly I thought it would be easy to say here or here but one day I think here and the next day there!

“If I think easy, I check the list and see Yamaha first and second but then I start to think with my head, what I need and that changes everything. At the moment I’m between the two, it changes day by day. Everyday I’m more convinced to go with one team but it’s not enough.”

Even though this is easily the biggest decision of his career, Viñales isn’t about to let it slow him down during the French GP: “When I go to the bike it’s another world, I’m out of everything. Also for my team it’s important to know because right now they’re a little nervous. I think about this at home, not here.”

[george formby]

Interestin. If MV stays with Suzuki he gets gold stars for development as well as competitiveness. With Yamaha he will get huge pressure.

Who is Lorenzo replacing?

[BMWST?]

Interestin. If MV stays with Suzuki he gets gold stars for development as well as competitiveness. With Yamaha he will get huge pressure.

Who is Lorenzo replacing?
Andrea of course

[pritch]

Andrea of course

10 out of 10. :rolleyes:

[Autech]

I do like how Crutchlow says it as it is, he must be the grid gossip.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/230082/1/crutchlow-id-like-to-see-chaz-davies-at-pramac.html


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[roogazza]

I do like how Crutchlow says it as it is, he must be the grid gossip.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/230082/1/crutchlow-id-like-to-see-chaz-davies-at-pramac.html


Hasn't he ended on his arse in every race so far ? :lol::lol:
Great at giving opinions on everyone else on the grid tho ?

[pritch]

Hasn't he ended on his arse in every race so far ? :lol::lol:
Great at giving opinions on everyone else on the grid tho huh ?

He does need to start finishing and accumulating points or his choices for next year might be very limited.

Crutchlow's opinions were fairly carefully worded (this time), none of those mentioned should take offence. As has already been mentioned Sykes, Rea and Davies are probably considered too old to make the switch. Davies though at least rides for a factory that is in GPs. Van der Mark is younger but he'd want a good ride and not one like Eugene Laverty with a cash strapped team.

Overnight it was reported that the same source that said Yamaha were interested in Pedrosa, has also said that Honda are not interested in Iannone. It has also been reported that Iannone's stocks at Ducati fell sharply when he took Dovizioso out. He may be another rider with limited options for next year.

It's tough at the top.

[Autech]

Scoop!

The news, published by Nadia Tronchoni of respected Spanish newspaper El Pais (link is external), is that Dani Pedrosa has already agreed terms with Yamaha for 2017 and 2018. Tronchoni – arguably the best journalist in the MotoGP paddock, both extremely knowledgeable and extraordinarily reliable – wrote as fact what Simon Patterson of MCN had reported earlier in the week (link is external). Whereas Patterson's sources had told him only that Pedrosa's switch to Yamaha was being very seriously considered, Tronchoni asserts that the deal is done. Understandably in such a sensitive situation, neither journalist revealed their sources.

Source: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/05/07/2016_le_mans_friday_round_up_on_tires.html


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[Dadpole]

Pedrosa at Yamaha is a exciting thought. I would love to see what he could do on that bike. Finally get the title he has been close to and possibly deserves?

Pics for this weekend anyone? Lorenzo looks like a safe(ish) bet. Anybody going to swim against the tide, or just wait until after qualifying?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pedrosa at Yamaha is a exciting thought. I would love to see what he could do on that bike. Finally get the title he has been close to and possibly deserves?

Pics for this weekend anyone? Lorenzo looks like a safe(ish) bet. Anybody going to swim against the tide, or just wait until after qualifying?

Yep. Love to see the lil fella on the tuning forks. Love to see him win a title too. Reckon he's earn't it now.

Crazy Joe for his 1st win.

Lorenzo

MM

Pedro

Rossi

[sugilite]

Hasn't he ended on his arse in every race so far ? :lol::lol:
Great at giving opinions on everyone else on the grid tho ?
Yes, Crashlow really looks up to the other riders - while lying on the track :pinch:

[actungbaby]

Not to forget actually write his own biography.

really no ghost writer amazing . i read aricle where in small classes ony rider went with using old school push bike

style brakes on the rims to save weight , that and the 500 rpm power band and how many gears ?

And treat of life treating sezuire (very brave men )

[actungbaby]

Mat Oxley has been thinking about tyres:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/rossis-secret

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-tyre-disasters-history

There both real intresting articles only one point it seems they know think the barry shenne daytona crash

was more tire rim fault , or was it spining mass effect i forget ? been awhile but it was intresting i

I read barrys first book , as well ones by duke . phil reads , i find them great reads
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/april-2015/45/sheene-s-horrific-daytona-fling

anyone buy the motocourse books i stoped buying just after kevin won for suzuki . might start buying them again

need read moto gp era version assume scott still editor

[BMWST?]

There both real intresting articles only one point it seems they know think the barry shenne daytona crash

was more tire rim fault , or was it spining mass effect i forget ? been awhile but it was intresting i

I read barrys first book , as well ones by duke . phil reads , i find them great reads
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/april-2015/45/sheene-s-horrific-daytona-fling

anyone buy the motocourse books i stoped buying just after kevin won for suzuki . might start buying them again

need read moto gp era version assume scott still editor
i have every motocourse since 1978

[actungbaby]

i have every motocourse since 1978

nice i liked peter clifford as editor i know few go about his stlye i prefer him to scott esp his stuff in amc

i find he doesint give you techical intresting stuff

my first one was 1984 always wanted to get 83 one with freddys first gp title

after years moving all over the country i sold them on tm and got riped of guy stuck them on each one more than got for all

ten or so grrrr greedy p@##

the 500, where much more intresting , change the gearing pipes , engine bits these days stuck around lap top .

engines arrive from factory all sealed boring .

[Dadpole]

Moto3 has 1 second covering the first 23. What's the bet it will be the race of the weekend again.

Oh who to pick... One of the top 10 on the grid? Or 15? 20 perhaps...

[Autech]

Fuel to the fire...

Young Vinales must feel threatened by Pedrosa taking the spot, so would be a good ploy by Yamaha.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/230101/1/suppo-meregalli-talk-pedrosayamaha-rumours.html


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[pritch]

Rossi has made it difficult for himself again. Emmett says he had the best race pace but that only helps if the guys in front haven't already disappeared.

[Dadpole]

JL
AI
VR

:sweatdrop

[BMWST?]

JL is a given i think.Depending how much trouble VR has getting past pol and dovi he might get up there but I think MM 2nd and i gonna go dovi 3rd!

[Dadpole]

Yep. I took JL as the cowardly way out. The way he went during practice and qual leads me to believe that only a landmine will stop him winning. (Unless Iannone nails him on the first lap)

[Autech]

JL
VR
AD
DP
MV

MM and AI DNF


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[carbonhed]

Jl
ai
mm
ad

[pritch]

Jl
MM
VR
AD
DP

As we know Crutchlow's report card probably says something like, "Needs to work harder."

Apparently he has been copping flak on social media and was moved to comment to a journo,
"I bet you if I turned up at their work I could do better at their job than they could at mine."

He's probably not wrong.

[puddytat]

Jl
ai
vr
ad
dp
mm dnf

[Reckless]

Seen this roogazza popped up on my facebook somehow??
Havnt had time to watch yet have to up for tea and I'm off social media until we've had our motoGP night tomorrow night so I don't learn the result before we watch.
Sons Come round, Bourbon, Kettle fries and MotoGP great bonding session :)
So I thought id post before I bail till after the GP.

JL
VR
MM
Pedro


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4NMQDqh6YcE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[EJK]

Geez we are starting to see a trend here.

Lorenzo
Iannone
Marquez

Anyone taking poor bets Dovi will have another DNF? :sweatdrop

[markbdaniels]

I love moto 3 :)

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[EJK]

Iannone...

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/29847896.jpg

[Berries]

Is it me, or are the sunglasses Jorge is touting in the post race interviews getting gayer every week?

[Autech]

Bloody hell...


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[carbonhed]

Carnage... meh.

Man against boys. You should get double points if you murder them by more than ten seconds :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Spewing. Had a cheeky $20.00 on Crazy Joe. Thought for a time there he was gonna catch Lorenzo! Lorenzo is simply too good there. The Honda's appear to still be shit.

[EJK]

Spewing. Had a cheeky $20.00 on Crazy Joe. Thought for a time there he was gonna catch Lorenzo! Lorenzo is simply too good there. The Honda's appear to still be shit.

Have to admit, his lap times were stunningly consistent.

Seems once he starts at the front, he stays at the front. I'll stop boo-ing him from now.

[carbonhed]

Spewing. Had a cheeky $20.00 on Crazy Joe. Thought for a time there he was gonna catch Lorenzo! Lorenzo is simply too good there. The Honda's appear to still be shit.

Looked like Marquez was smoking the back tire up as soon as he got back on the gas mid turn. How can that bike still be so shite?

Crazy Joe :facepalm:

[Autech]

I made a $1mil wager with myself when I saw Crashlow overtake Pedrosa that he would bin it, nek minnet, crash...

Very strange race, so many DNFs, just glad Dani used his head n didnt go for a slide.


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[Crasherfromwayback]

Crazy Joe :facepalm:

They're all tucking the front. Just like the Michelins of old. No feel at the limit.

[pritch]

They're all tucking the front. Just like the Michelins of old. No feel at the limit.

Several of the riders have commented. One theory supports you, it says everything feels Ok so you push a little more and down you go without warning.

Some attributed the crashes to track repairs. The repairs having less grip than the rest of track

Smith had the most detailed theory. He thinks that the tyre pressures rise causing the problem. They now have mandatory minimum pressures but then with the MotoGP race happening at the warmest time of day, with full fuel loads, and with people braking just a bit harder, the pressure rises past its best working range making the tyre that little bit less flexible. This is possible because the crashes mostly occur well into the race, unlike with Bridgestones it would usually be soon after the start while the tyres were still cold.

Smith does point out that this is just his theory, but he says from Mugello tyre pressure sensors will be mandatory so there will be data to confirm his theory or otherwise.

Whatever, that synchronised crashing display was spectacular.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Smith had the most detailed theory. He thinks that the tyre pressures rise causing the problem. r.

I would've thought they'd be using nitrogen, hence not have too much of a variation in pressures when hot.

[roogazza]

Is it me, or are the sunglasses Jorge is touting in the post race interviews getting gayer every week?

What struck me was how pale he looked (like a 12 yr old gamer who never sees the sun?)
I'm bronzed compared to him and I'm a 'ginger' !!!!

Still, can't argue he does the business.
BUT HEY !!!!! Go Vale ! 321427 :laugh::laugh::rolleyes::msn-wink::eek:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still, can't argue he does the business.
BUT HEY !!!!! Go Vale ! 321427 :laugh::laugh::rolleyes::msn-wink::eek:

That's the second podium he's had handed to him this season.

[Badjelly]

I would've thought they'd be using nitrogen, hence not have too much of a variation in pressures when hot.

I don't want to re-open the debate about whether and why nitrogen is better in tyres than ordinary air (or dry air, or helium, or sulphur hexafluoride) but nitrogen is still a gas and it expands with temperature according to the ideal gas law, so the pressure will rise as the tyre heats up.

[sugilite]

That's the second podium he's had handed to him this season.
Not sure it was handed to him, Rossi did come through the field and pass MM and Dovi to then pull slowly away. Lorenzo was simply too good today - in a class of his own.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not sure it was handed to him, Rossi did come through the field and pass MM and Dovi to then pull slowly away. Lorenzo was simply too good today - in a class of his own.

And he did something a shitload of others didn't do! Gonna be a great scrap all year hopefully!

[roogazza]

That's the second podium he's had handed to him this season.
MM and AD had been passed tho .
But I was remembering how people were saying, last year was his biggest chance at his 10th Title ?
He's in the mix,so this could very well be his year ?

321428:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::laugh::laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM and AD had been passed tho .
But I was remembering how people were saying, last year was his biggest chance at his 10th Title ?
He's in the mix,so this could very well be his year ?

321428:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::laugh::laugh:

Can't see it mate. Lorenzo and MM are too fast, and Lorenzo also has a good bike like Rossi. MInd you...bet the Old Coot goes well next round in front of his fans!

[James Deuce]

Several of the riders have commented. One theory supports you, it says everything feels Ok so you push a little more and down you go without warning.


Michelin tyres you say? Where have us old people heard this before?

[Maha]

WH
YD
OY
OU
GU
YS
DO
TH
IS
Not necessarily in that order.

[EJK]

WH
YD
OY
OU
GU
YS
DO
TH
IS
Not necessarily in that order.

It's a secret code for idiots who likes to watch people riding motorcycles round and round in a circular shape. Kinda like watching a dog trying to bite it's tail.

[pritch]

WH
YD
OY
OU
GU
YS
DO
TH
IS
Not necessarily in that order.

Well considering the results it's actually very hard to explain. About the only people who had a correct prediction were those who picked MM to crash.
As discussed previously though, if you keep predicting it every race sooner or later it would be right.

[Autech]

Well considering the results it's actually very hard to explain. About the only people who had a correct prediction were those who picked MM to crash.
As discussed previously though, if you keep predicting it every race sooner or later it would be right.

That was me, but you are quite right I have predicted it every round thus far :D
I must say I am impressed with how noddy Marquez is riding this year, clearly his most mature performance so far in motogp.


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[pritch]

I must say I am impressed with how noddy Marquez is riding this year, clearly his most mature performance so far in motogp.


It certainly appears Marquez is having to make the best of a bad job. The Sarthe circuit is very stop/start, be interesting to see how the Honda goes elsewhere.

[roogazza]

Can't see it mate. Lorenzo and MM are too fast, and Lorenzo also has a good bike like Rossi. MInd you...bet the Old Coot goes well next round in front of his fans!
Be interesting to see the speeds on those Doocatis?(hope the wings are on the right way round for the hump).

[Crasherfromwayback]

That was me, but you are quite right I have predicted it every round thus far :D
I must say I am impressed with how noddy Marquez is riding this year, clearly his most mature performance so far in motogp.




I dunno. I reckon the two seasons where he won the title were pretty fucking good. :innocent:

[sugilite]

Oh yeah, I noticed that after "the Maniacs" crash, his Ducati still appeared to have all it's wings, so much for them being designed to break off easier. Only a matter of time until a rider gets sliced and diced - maybe even by their own bike!

[carbonhed]

That was a pretty special last lap from Binder in Moto3. Never gave Fenati a sniff of a chance and the Italian is not shy.

Rins looked pretty imperious in Moto2. Love that smooth style... reminds me of someone :cool:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh yeah, I noticed that after "the Maniacs" crash, his Ducati still appeared to have all it's wings, so much for them being designed to break off easier. Only a matter of time until a rider gets sliced and diced - maybe even by their own bike!

You mean like how heaps of people have been speared by their own footpegs (my workmate included)?

[Drew]

That's the second podium he's had handed to him this season.

Ummm, what?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ummm, what?

That's the second podium he's been handed this season. I'd use full caps if that'd help?

[Drew]

That's the second podium he's been handed this season. I'd use full caps if that'd help?

He had them both dead to rights man. Chased them down and could stop defending after the first post pass lap.

[Autech]

I dunno. I reckon the two seasons where he won the title were pretty fucking good. :innocent:

Were they "mature" though?
2013 he prevailed in an awesome duel 'tween 3 riders, still managed to knock his team mate out of a race (Something all top riders have done at some stage).
2014 the only guy on a bike capable of beating him had massive arm pump issues, he still chucked a few races away at the end though pushing hard to beat the Yams. 2015 he biffed it down the track every other day on a bike which couldn't win.
2016 he has taken the points on offer so far and not made too bigger knob of himself. Yet.

Just my assessment of course biased 100%. Looking good though, I may start liking him again one day... I was a cunt at his age too.




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[Crasherfromwayback]

He had them both dead to rights man. Chased them down and could stop defending after the first post pass lap.

Lol. Crazy Joe was gonna catch Lorenzo, Rossi wasn't. And we both know MM was just letting his front tyre come in before he smoked Rossi! A gifted podium I tell ya! The second one no less...:whistle:

Real fact is...HRC best get that pile of steaming poo sorted asap, else MM will hurt himself trying to win races on it!

[pritch]

A gifted podium I tell ya!:whistle:



How fast you are during the race doesn't matter, it is the results at the finish line that count. Rossi raced people and he didn't lose his front end, so he worked for it.

I agree with the comments about MMs growing maturity though. Partly it has been forced on him by the bike, but he has stated that he is now considering the championship rather than just the race. It seems he meant it.

[eldog]

How fast you are during the race doesn't matter, it is the results at the finish line that count. Rossi raced people and he didn't lose his front end, so he worked for it.

I agree with the comments about MMs growing maturity though. Partly it has been forced on him by the bike, but he has stated that he is now considering the championship rather than just the race. It seems he meant it.

=confidence :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

How fast you are during the race doesn't matter, it is the results at the finish line that count. Rossi raced people and he didn't lose his front end, so he worked for it.

.

You should know me by now! Good on the Old Dog...he knows Michelins better than anyone else out there right now.

[sugilite]

You mean like how heaps of people have been speared by their own footpegs (my workmate included)?

Yep, me too, but you kinda cannot ride a bike without those - winglets however....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep, me too, but you kinda cannot ride a bike without those - winglets however....

Could make 'em use floor boards! :bleh:

[sugilite]

Could make 'em use floor boards! :bleh:

Carl Crashlow sure does ;)

[manxkiwi]

You should know me by now! Good on the Old Dog...he knows Michelins better than anyone else out there right now.

I find it hard to imagine there would much similarity to Michies of 7 years ago and todays offerings. 7 years in tyre technology is an eternity I would have thought.
Of course I could be completely wrong in this assumption.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I find it hard to imagine there would much similarity to Michies of 7 years ago and todays offerings. 7 years in tyre technology is an eternity I would have thought.
Of course I could be completely wrong in this assumption.

See post # 1102. You may find not that much has changed after all.

[Autech]

How fast you are during the race doesn't matter, it is the results at the finish line that count. Rossi raced people and he didn't lose his front end, so he worked for it.

I agree with the comments about MMs growing maturity though. Partly it has been forced on him by the bike, but he has stated that he is now considering the championship rather than just the race. It seems he meant it.

Yup, only 1 Honda out of 6 finished the race on Sunday and that was with the 2nd most experienced (mature) rider on the grid on board (correct me if I'm wrong but in years in GP it would go: VR, DP, AD, JL?). So either the others are raving lunatics or Honda is in deep poo poos yet again.

Does anyone know what Casey Stoners feedback on the RCV was last year that they ignored? Did it go somewhere along the lines of: "Crickey mate, this bikes rougher than a sheila from Calgooolee. You blokes better make it easier to ride, fair dinkum."

[Badjelly]

Crickey mate, this bikes rougher than a sheila from Calgooolee. You blokes better make it easier to ride, fair dinkum.

Probably more like, "She's beaut, mate. Tell the little Spanish fuckers to stop bitching and ride it like they stole it."

[Autech]

More feedback on the front tyres lack of feedback:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/230198/1/aleix-espargaro-saved-two-falls-with-his-hand.html

I think Aleix needs to give Maverick a few lessons in how to start a race, 12th to 6th in the first lap isn't half bad!

Just thinking that when they were using the rear with no grip for the last few rounds the front end crashes disappeared, now they have a rear tyre with good grip the front end crashes are back with a vengeance.
I haven't the time to compare but I'd imagine Lorenzo's race pace this at Le Mans would be as fast if not faster than on the Bridgestones in 2015 (as was Qatar), where as when they were on the slippery rear at Jerez the winning time was a lot slower.
So the rear tyre being so good is allowing the riders to push the front end a lot more, past some invisible barrier which it then decides to spit them off entirely without warning. Smith may be right, tyre pressure could very well be the cause as the tyre will be heating up as the race goes on...

[manxkiwi]

See post # 1102. You may find not that much has changed after all.

He he, fair call. Symptoms may be similar. I guess the older riders simply have more experience all round. That may help them understand and get round tyre issues a bit better?

[Autech]

That may help them understand and get round tyre issues a bit better?

Pun intended Neil?

Hahaha, sorry couldn't help myself :facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

He he, fair call. Symptoms may be similar. I guess the older riders simply have more experience all round. That may help them understand and get round tyre issues a bit better?

Be none any smarter in the paddock than Old Rossi I'd dare to say.

[Drew]

Be none any smarter in the paddock than Old Rossi I'd dare to say.

The one tyre for all rule is a shitter. The Honda on Bridgestone and Yamaha on Mitchies would probably make for better racing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The one tyre for all rule is a shitter. The Honda on Bridgestone and Yamaha on Mitchies would probably make for better racing.

And get Dunlop involved in the big class again!

[Erelyes]

That's the second podium he's been handed this season. I'd use full caps if that'd help?

To be fair, he had the same thing handed to him as everyone else: A front tyre that will let go without warning. He had to juggle it just like everyone else. Difference being he didn't drop it.

Of course, neither did JL, and he was comfortably quicker. I'm starting to like JL more and more.

Rossi needs to start setting himself up to win more, qualifying on the third row just doesn't cut the mustard.

I totally retract my earlier comments about Crashlow having a chance in the factory Yamaha team.

[actungbaby]

The one tyre for all rule is a shitter. The Honda on Bridgestone and Yamaha on Mitchies would probably make for better racing.

yes agree but Hrc always used the french rubber they made them special ones for daytona when the bloody huge rvf 1000

shreded its back tires ;-)

Good god the bridgestone company chouldint even make intermediate tires glad there gone

[Crasherfromwayback]

To be fair, he had the same thing handed to him as everyone else: A front tyre that will let go without warning. He had to juggle it just like everyone else. Difference being he didn't drop it.
.

Yeah, but it's fun to go fishing. I reckon Mugello is gonna be a tough one to pic. Lorenzo goes pretty well there, the Ducati's will be fast, and MM is struggling (again/still) with the Honda.

[Oscar]

Yeah, but it's fun to go fishing.

So you're the fisherman now?
I thought you were the trout...

[pritch]

I totally retract my earlier comments about Crashlow having a chance in the factory Yamaha team.

Last night CC said he was to sign a new two year contract today. Didn't say who with.

[puddytat]

:yes:Mahindra?

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you're the fisherman now?
I thought you were the trout...

Nothing like a bit of role reversal every now and then Old Bean!

[5150]

:yes:Mahindra?

Yeah - Naah. He couldn't handle that either

[bogan]

Where did Dadpole's post go, the pic was mint...

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/the-price-of-loyalty/

[carbonhed]

Maybe Marquez should go to Yamaha next year?

:laugh: Flossi would be so badly fucked.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe Marquez should go to Yamaha next year?

:laugh: Flossi would be so badly fucked.

He should join JL at Ducati.

[Dadpole]

Sorry folks. Major farkup. Here is the second go. Poxy embedded pics... Farkin computers...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=321443&d=1462854334

[sugilite]

The latest rumor I heard is Honda are making special one meter long winglets with wheels at the end for Crashlow :lol:

[pritch]

. I reckon Mugello is gonna be a tough one to pic.

The last one wasn't easy going by the results of our picks?

If Mugello is more flowing than Le Mans the Honda may go better. Then again? :whistle:

I had a look at CCs website but it's stuck back in 2015. Guess I'll find out what happened if he mentions it on Twitter.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The last one wasn't easy going by the results of our picks?

If Mugello is more flowing than Le Mans the Honda may go better. Then again? :whistle:

.

Mugello could be a prob for the Hondas again. Chasing the front on those downhill corners!

The Jack Miller fans are a bit quiet.

[sugilite]

The Jack Miller fans are a bit quiet.
I had high hopes for Miller, but really he has not really achieved much of note has he.

[Reckless]

Well another GP over and it was synchronized falling at one stage LOL
Was wondering if Michelin was going to take a pasting over the next few days but that hasnt really happened.
Got the first two correct in my prediction and everyone else fell off LOL
The ones that stayed on are the riders least likely to try and turn it on its front wheel under brakes.

JL was great, Rossi quite lucky, best ride of the meeting was that last lap from Binder bloody hell well done!


The latest rumor I heard is Honda are making special one meter long winglets with wheels at the end for Crashlow :lol:

That was good :) that humor is permitted anytime LMAO


The Jack Miller fans are a bit quiet.
LOL the only one who's never quite is Miller but agreed, been saying for a little while it was a failed experiment.
Wonder if it will put the brakes on them taking anyone else straight from Moto 3??

[pritch]

I had high hopes for Miller, but really he has not really achieved much of note has he.

Yeah, I'll second that. He is injured, but he really does need to start to show why he was given that ride. Shame about the bike though.

One of the arguments given against Vinales getting the Yamaha ride was that he has never been on the podium in MotoGP. Well he's fixed that, they'll have to dream up another reason now.

[Reckless]

.One of the arguments given against Vinales getting the Yamaha ride was that he has never been on the podium in MotoGP. Well he's fixed that, they'll have to dream up another reason now.

Doesn't him getting a podium mean Suzuki get to keep him??
Suzuki have been saying they wont enforce it up till now but that may change now he actually has a podium and the balls in their court?? The press pressured him quite a bit about it at post race conference but he said he wants to get home and have time to make his decision so obviously he doesn't think this podium makes his decision any different.
We shall see what suzuki might do if he chooses Yamaha or if they say he must publicly choose them or they will enforce the clause. We will never know that but personally Id like to see him stay and Danni on the Yammy although Danni on the suzuki might be a good option? Danni on anything is better than him on that bloody Honda. He just cant handle the beast like MM can, Honda have made it to opposite to his style.

[Crasherfromwayback]

LOL the only one who's never quite is Miller but agreed, been saying for a little while it was a failed experiment.
Wonder if it will put the brakes on them taking anyone else straight from Moto 3??

Biggest wanker to have entered Moto GP since Anthony Gobert. Notice a pattern?

[Drew]

Biggest wanker to have entered Moto GP since Anthony Gobert. Notice a pattern?

Gobert was recognised as one of the greatest riding talents ever seen at the time. Such a fucken shame he is such a bloody moron.

Before anyone blames drugs, loads of people who aren't cunts take drugs.

Anyhoo, Doohan is a good cunt...Mibbee he's not really Australian.

[manxkiwi]

Anyhoo, Doohan is a good cunt...Mibbee he's not really Australian.

Gold!!!!+another2!!s

[Mental Trousers]

I had high hopes for Miller, but really he has not really achieved much of note has he.

Yeah, I'll second that. He is injured, but he really does need to start to show why he was given that ride. Shame about the bike though.

One problem is they put him and Rabat on the most difficult bike in the paddock to ride. They don't have any background in what a good bike at that level is and they're on the nastiest one. At least Redding got off it and found something he can ride.

Marquez shouldn't be used to compare new riders to MotoGP as he's just a freak.

[pritch]

One problem is they put him and Rabat on the most difficult bike in the paddock to ride. They don't have any background in what a good bike at that level is and they're on the nastiest one. At least Redding got off it and found something he can ride.

Marquez shouldn't be used to compare new riders to MotoGP as he's just a freak.

That's a fair summation. I've seen Rabat's difficulties being put down to his reputation as a slow learner. Hard to say if he's really a slow learner but nobody works harder than Rabat, it may take him a while but if it is at all possible he'll get there. Miller is working a lot harder since HRC organised a boot up the arse for him but it can't be an easy ride. Even Pedrosa who has more experience than anyone on a Honda can't really get the bike to work, and Marquez is currently a shadow of his former self.

On a positive note there is Eugene Laverty's performance on an aging Ducati. His team is really short of cash and consequently had personnel problems, but he is ahead of both Ducati factory riders in the championship. Laverty should definitely send Iannone a thank you card. :whistle:

[Autech]

One problem is they put him and Rabat on the most difficult bike in the paddock to ride. They don't have any background in what a good bike at that level is and they're on the nastiest one. At least Redding got off it and found something he can ride.

Marquez shouldn't be used to compare new riders to MotoGP as he's just a freak.

To be fair though Marquez jumped on the Honda straight into a factory seat when the bike was at its best and the Yamaha not quite as good. If he had jumped on a sat or open class bike would he have set the world on fire? Who knows.

All we know is that this year and last both the factory riders are struggling, which doesn't bode well for the customer bikes who wont be getting the attention required to perform.
Its easy to sit here and laugh at how Miller and Crutchlow are spending more time sliding down the road than on it. But do any of us know how hard it is to ride?
Imagine being asked to ride a bike at the limit for 40mins when you don't have a good feeling from the bike? As a racer you want to catch and pass they guy in front. As a racer your sponsors want you to pass that guy. As a Motogp racer you know you are better than anyone else in the world given the chance to prove it. So you push, your adrenaline tells you things are in control, but they are not, next thing you are on your arse.




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[Arctic Wolfe]

The latest rumor I heard is Honda are making special one meter long winglets with wheels at the end for Crashlow :lol:

shame, but well said .....

Carl did well last year and I had high hopes for him in 2016. He is a name to look out for ... sad though he is struggling this year ..... like many others.

[Mental Trousers]

On a positive note there is Eugene Laverty's performance on an aging Ducati. His team is really short of cash and consequently had personnel problems, but he is ahead of both Ducati factory riders in the championship. Laverty should definitely send Iannone a thank you card. :whistle:

Going on his performances this season, especially when the difficulties the team has had with cashflow and personnel are taken into account, he's a candidate for a Pramac seat. Redding's is the only one of the Pramac and factory seats that may be up for grabs next year as Lorenzo, one of the Andrea's (hopefully Dovi) and Petrucci are all right until the end of 2017.


To be fair though Marquez jumped on the Honda straight into a factory seat when the bike was at its best and the Yamaha not quite as good. If he had jumped on a sat or open class bike would he have set the world on fire? Who knows.

All we know is that this year and last both the factory riders are struggling, which doesn't bode well for the customer bikes who wont be getting the attention required to perform.
Its easy to sit here and laugh at how Miller and Crutchlow are spending more time sliding down the road than on it. But do any of us know how hard it is to ride?

Marquez was already signed up with HRC when the seat came up. They signed him without knowing exactly where they were going to put him, then Stoner left and it was a given. Honda certainly didn't sign him for his development abilities as the RCV has gone from being the best to being worst of the factory bikes (not counting the Aprilia which is still in it's early stages).

Anyone who laughs at any MotoGP rider is a moron. Those guys are 100 times better on a bike than anyone on this forum and they earned the chance to have a go at being the best.

[Grumph]

If anyone's looking for a development rider - and some should be IMO - Sam Lowe's doing bloody well on what i think is the only Speedup chassis at the pointy end of Moto2...
Seems to be typical tradesman type pom rider too, not fazed by the attention.

[Autech]

If anyone's looking for a development rider - and some should be IMO - Sam Lowe's doing bloody well on what i think is the only Speedup chassis at the pointy end of Moto2...
Seems to be typical tradesman type pom rider too, not fazed by the attention.

He is on a Kalex this year Grumph, you are right though he did well last year on the speed up, hence why KTM hired him for motogp I think


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[pritch]

I haven't finished reading the news - ummm no, more the speculation, yet but...

Following Crutchlow's announcement a couple of days ago that he was to sign a two year contract the next day there has been silence. CC has only posted a couple of totally unrelated comments on Twitter. This morning in a rather delicate piece of verbal footwork MCN speculate that the announcement of Crutchlow's move is tied in with the announcement of a move by another rider. Then without suggesting or implying anything at all, they name just one other rider, Pedrosa.

Honda are in the news, they are requesting that the rules relating to engine restriction be relaxed. Honda apparently want to scrap their current engines and start again? As David Emmett says though the problem is of Honda's own making, if they had listened to their test riders in 2014 (or their factory riders last year?) they wouldn't have this problem.

I don't remember Honda requesting the rules be relaxed back when Ducati had that carbon "airbox" non-frame which meant that everytime they wanted to change the "frame" they had to change the engine cases.

Meanwhile back to my reading.

Clarification: David Emmett has been requested to make it clear that the comments regarding the relaxing of the engine rules were the personal opinion of Livio Suppo - not of HRC.

[bistard]

How about this for a scenario, Pedrosa goes to Yamaha & then Vinales goes to Honda, imagine Marquez & Vinales in the same team??

[Autech]

I haven't finished reading the news - ummm no, more the speculation, yet but...

Following Crutchlow's announcement a couple of days ago that he was to sign a two year contract the next day there has been silence. CC has only posted a couple of totally unrelated comments on Twitter. This morning in a rather delicate piece of verbal footwork MCN speculate that the announcement of Crutchlow's move is tied in with the announcement of a move by another rider. Then without suggesting or implying anything at all, they name just one other rider, Pedrosa.

Honda are in the news, they are requesting that the rules relating to engine restriction be relaxed. Honda apparently want to scrap their current engines and start again? As David Emmett says though the problem is of Honda's own making, if they had listened to their test riders in 2014 (or their factory riders last year?) they wouldn't have this problem.

I don't remember Honda requesting the rules be relaxed back when Ducati had that carbon "airbox" non-frame which meant that everytime they wanted to change the "frame" they had to change the engine cases.

Meanwhile back to my reading.

Once again you produce the good Pritch, tumeke bro! Fingers crossed that Dani makes the move and shows em all how to ride a Yamaha!

[pritch]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/predicting-unpredictable

[Reckless]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/predicting-unpredictable

Cheers pritch good stuff I read this in the comments section of that article

"Kudos to Vignales for staying with Suzuki, it would have been a major mistake for him to be team mate to Rossi, because he would have been faster, and thus tortured by Rossi".

Cant find anything to say hes made an announcement????

[Autech]

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-pedrosa-reveals-honda-rc213vs-issues

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-pedrosa-reveals-honda-rc213vs-issues

He actually explained fuck all.

[pritch]

Cant find anything to say hes made an announcement????

I wondered whan I read his comment, but a check of the MotoGP site showed a lot about Vinales but nothing about a new contract. There was a report that Suzuki wanted to keep Vinales but Yamaha had reservations about trumping the Suzuki offer while Vinales was still something of an unknown quantity. From memory that was where one of the references to Vinales never having had a podium finish came from.

Of course if MCN got it wrong, it could be a Suzuki contract announcement that is holding up Crutchlow's news. That's slightly more believable than CC replacing Pedrosa at Repsol.

Maybe next week at Mugello there will be announcements?

[roogazza]

Of course if MCN got it wrong, it could be a Suzuki contract announcement that is holding up Crutchlow's news. That's slightly more believable than CC replacing Pedrosa at Repsol.

I dunno,why would anyone give Crashalot a Repsol Honda ? (well,crash.net or MCN probably would,but they're not doing the pickin huh ?).
That's like giving Bwadley Smiff another good bike,a waste !:crazy:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Didn't Old Mate make a bet with me again this season that Bradley Smith would get a top five finish?

Make 'em cold Bro!!!

[Dadpole]

I dunno,why would anyone give Crashalot a Repsol Honda ?

My thought was that they may as he is the leading (non-factory) Honda. Then I found Rabat is... If Pedrosa does go then HRC will have to look to Moto2 or 3 or WSBK or WSS or anywhere rather than hire Crashlow. No disrespect to the man, but I think they need a very special rider with the bike they have at present. Perhaps they could tempt Yvon Duhamel out of retirement. He was the sort of rider who would wring the crap out of the Honda and laugh.

[Autech]

He actually explained fuck all.

Haha, pretty much eh?

I shall summarise the article using NZ street talk: "da bike duz mean skids and phat wheelies, hardz g"

Alex Rins would be my #1 pick for Dani's seat if they were to go shopping in moto2


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[merv]

I still don't get it how the Honda was once the fastest point and squirt bike out there and somehow they now can't get it to accelerate off corners :nono:

[BMWST?]

I still don't get it how the Honda was once the fastest point and squirt bike out there and somehow they now can't get it to accelerate off corners :nono:
i think the bikes are so finely tuned that the slightest change can have a relatively large effect.And its still a bit of a black art,the frame has got tbe to be flexy,but how flexy?I think they really miss the feedback from CS.I think dani is sortaslow to explre the outer limits of a new bike,and maybe MM doesnt really care.Until he finds he cant keep up.
In other news i have found another podcast

https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=paddock+pass+podcast

[pritch]

http://pecinogp.com/pedrosa-honda-always-priority/

[roogazza]

http://pecinogp.com/pedrosa-honda-always-priority/
Cheers pritch, I never considered #26 likely to move ,he just doesn't seem the type if you look at his history.
How long he will keep going is more of a question huh ?

[Asher]

Cruchlow going to Repsol makes a bit of sense to me.
He would likely happily accept a 1 year contract and it frees up the LCR seat for Rins who would take over from Cruchlow when his contract expires.
Both Yamaha and HRC have already made it clear they don't want to give a factory ride to a rookie and Rins is apparently holding out for a factory ride. It seems like a good compromise, although that's all assuming Pedrosa leaves HRC and Marquez is ok with Rins as a team mate.

[Erelyes]

I still don't get it how the Honda was once the fastest point and squirt bike out there and somehow they now can't get it to accelerate off corners :nono:

Yeah, what Pedro's basically saying is, the motor's power delivery is pants, so they've changed some things, and now it's pants and (comparatively) gutless too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, what Pedro's basically saying is, the motor's power delivery is pants, so they've changed some things, and now it's pants and (comparatively) gutless too.

Nah don't think it's gutless. He did seem to say it was accelerating ok in the upper gears, a sure sign it's actually got good HP. Just can't use what they have in the lower gears it would seem.

[Reckless]

Nah don't think it's gutless. He did seem to say it was accelerating ok in the upper gears, a sure sign it's actually got good HP. Just can't use what they have in the lower gears it would seem.

Yeh they didn't really say if its was loosing time because its nasty delivery and they cant get good drive or its power is delivered to high up and its gutless (or did I miss that bit).

[pritch]

There are probably several things wrong with the Honda but I think wheelspin is the big problem when accelerating, particularly for Pedro who is such a lightweight.

[Reckless]

There are probably several things wrong with the Honda but I think wheelspin is the big problem when accelerating, particularly for Pedro who is such a lightweight.

yeh agree I also think they shouldn't get engine concessions to fix it, if they cant get it right and the others can we shouldnt change the rules about engines.
It is what it is, they fuck up they pay until next season and some other manufacturer gets a better shot.
Thats Racing :ride:

[Autech]

yeh agree I also think they shouldn't get engine concessions to fix it, if they cant get it right and the others can we shouldnt change the rules about engines.
It is what it is, they fuck up the pay until next season and some other manufacturer gets a better shot.
Thats Racing :ride:

Bloody oath. Probably a mixture of engine n chassis, though if Mitchie get their rear close to as it was promising to be last year, look out! The tables could easily turn at any moment and we would have a Repsol 1-2.

We all had theories that Dani's ability to get a bike out of a corner would make him great for a mitchie. He is still doing his great stand ups too I noticed last week, god knows what he actually does to get the bike level out of a corner but it looks awesome the way the bike jumps up under him. Roll on Mugello for more dramas, I think we may have another Honda crash fest though.


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[merv]

Yeah its not like Honda didn't know, because they stuffed it up the year before too and fell from their perch as the greatest engine maker then, whereas before that they had the drive out of corners, the first seamless gearbox etc etc and now they are sucking it up to Yamaha.

[roogazza]

yeh agree I also think they shouldn't get engine concessions to fix it, if they cant get it right and the others can we shouldnt change the rules about engines.
It is what it is, they fuck up the pay until next season and some other manufacturer gets a better shot.
Thats Racing :ride:

Maybe Dorna should give them unlimited testing, soft rubber,their own electronics,extra fuel and what all. Oh and their own class,Factory2 ??? lol........ But wait ???? :confused:<_<:laugh:

Honda will fix it, just watch. Cuppla GP's and it'll be all go.:msn-wink:

[merv]

But Gaz, you can't be Japanese to be given such concessions can you?

[Autech]

But Gaz, you can't be Japanese to be given such concessions can you?

Suzuki...


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[Crasherfromwayback]

We all had theories that Dani's ability to get a bike out of a corner would make him great for a mitchie.


What do you mean *we* white man? Don't you mean *you*? Or maybe it was all of the shit you read?

Fail.

[Oscar]

But Gaz, you can't be Japanese to be given such concessions can you?

Honda are the most powerful member of IRTA. They generally get thier own way.

[Grumph]

Yeah its not like Honda didn't know, because they stuffed it up the year before too and fell from their perch as the greatest engine maker then, whereas before that they had the drive out of corners, the first seamless gearbox etc etc and now they are sucking it up to Yamaha.

I'm picking that they're using electronics to try and compensate for a chassis problem...It won't hook up on the Michelins, possibly due to rear end geometry so they've softened the power delivery - possibly too much.
They've stuffed up the rear end at least once before so you'd think they'd learn - but the Honda policy of bringing new young engineers through and letting them have relatively free rein has bitten them in the bum before. Without access to chassis drawings you'd never know what's changed year to year.
It takes a strong personality like Doohan to keep them on a development track which suits that rider - and i don't think MM really knows yet just what he wants...
It should work better once onto tracks where a high corner speed can be carried as acceleration from low speeds appears to be the weak point at present.
Le Mans was always considered a gokart track due to the high no of 2nd gear corners.

[Drew]

Put a longer swingarm in the Honda, problem solved.

[Reckless]

Put a longer swingarm in the Honda, problem solved.

Good Stuff I think you should email them :p




I know I'm a cheeky cunt LMAO

[pritch]

Put a longer swingarm in the Honda, problem solved.

Yeah, making the bike longer wouldn't hurt. As long as they don't make it any higher - Pedrosa's feet wouldn't reach the ground. :whistle:

[Drew]

Yeah, making the bike longer wouldn't hurt. As long as they don't make it any higher - Pedrosa's feet wouldn't reach the ground. :whistle:

It's a joke man. I have no doubt they've tries a longer swingarm. The adverse effect is slow turn in (in my experience, I'm well aware that I'm no expert).

[pritch]

It's a joke man..

I assumed that, and so was my reply.

[Reckless]

I assumed that, and so was my reply.

mine to lol

[pritch]

Yesterday the Italian press were reporting Vinales had signed with Yamaha, but the Spanish press were reporting Pedrosa had signed with Yamaha.
Today the Spanish press, quoting sources close to the rider, say Vinales has signed with Yamaha. So that makes it sort of unanimous among the press.

We still need an announcement to make it official, maybe Mugello?

Update: The Spanish press say an announcement will be made Thursday. The world says if it's that certain, why wait?

[BMWST?]

Yeah, making the bike longer wouldn't hurt. As long as they don't make it any higher - Pedrosa's feet wouldn't reach the ground. :whistle:

he has toppled of at rest recently at some promo thing(bear in mind that recently is relative for an old bastard)

[pritch]

(bear in mind that recently is relative for an old bastard)

There are some of us hereabout who fully understand that problem.

[Dave-]

he has toppled of at rest recently at some promo thing(bear in mind that recently is relative for an old bastard)

http://www.brainlesstales.com/images/2013/Jul/bear-in-mind.jpg

[SimJen]

Pedo with Honda for another couple of years.....yawn!


http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/pedrosa-to-stay-with-honda-motogp-team-until-2018-736949/


Yesterday the Italian press were reporting Vinales had signed with Yamaha, but the Spanish press were reporting Pedrosa had signed with Yamaha.
Today the Spanish press, quoting sources close to the rider, say Vinales has signed with Yamaha. So that makes it sort of unanimous among the press.

We still need an announcement to make it official, maybe Mugello?

Update: The Spanish press say an announcement will be made Thursday. The world says if it's that certain, why wait?

[Autech]

What do you mean *we* white man? Don't you mean *you*? Or maybe it was all of the shit you read?

Fail.

Girlfriend, you know you aint down!


Pedo with Honda for another couple of years.....yawn!


http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/pedrosa-to-stay-with-honda-motogp-team-until-2018-736949/

Fuck, I was really hoping he would ditch the bucking bronco and jump on the smooth stallion.

Yawn indeed.

[Reckless]

Fuck, I was really hoping he would ditch the bucking bronco and jump on the smooth stallion.

Yawn indeed.

You and me both but maybe he didnt get the chance,
http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/vinales-moves-to-yamaha-for-2017-motogp-season-736574/?s=1
if he actually turned it down I think it is a bad decision on Pedro's part.


Nothing is official yet tho, still only gossip at this stage.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Girlfriend, you know you aint down!



Fuck, I was really hoping he would ditch the bucking bronco and jump on the smooth stallion.

Yawn indeed.

Lol. Bro, you need a bib! But yeah, I too wish Pedro had gone to Yamaha. Love to see him win a title before he goes, but on a Honda, it's very unlikely.

[Reckless]

Posted 13 mins ago on the Moto GP site, its done, speculation over!

Dani Pedrosa will continue with the Repsol Honda Team in both 2017 and 2018, extending their relationship in the premier class to 13 years.
Honda Racing Corporation is pleased to announce the renewal of its contract with Dani Pedrosa for an additional two years. Both parties are pleased to reach the agreement ahead of this weekend’s Grand Prix, which will be the 30-year-old Spanish rider’s 250th in the World Championship.

Pedrosa has been a Honda rider for his entire career, beginning with his 2001 Grand Prix debut in the then 125cc class. A 125cc and double 250cc World Champion, Pedrosa entered MotoGP™ with the Repsol Honda Team in 2006 and has finished title runner-up on three occasions (2007, 2010, 2012) and third an additional three times (2008, 2009, 2013). He has achieved more podium finishes for the Honda factory than any other rider, with a total of 142, including 51 victories, just three fewer than Mick Doohan’s Honda record.

Pedrosa heads to this weekend’s Italian GP sitting fourth in the Rider’s Championship.

Dani Pedrosa: "I’m very happy to be able to announce my renewal with the Repsol Honda Team. I’m very grateful to Honda for the trust they’ve shown in renewing with me for an additional two years. I think it’s best for me to continue with the company I was with at my very first race. I’m happy that the negotiations have been quick, and now I can just focus on racing. I want to give 100% this weekend at the Italian GP.”

Shuhei Nakamoto: "We’re very pleased to renew our contract with Dani, and we really appreciate his loyalty to Honda and HRC. We’ve been working together for many years, but we always see in Dani the same passion and dedication. His experience is very important for helping our technicians to develop our bike, and we’ll do our best to help him to demonstrate all his talent!”

[EJK]

Looks like Dani and MM will be factory team mates for a while.

[Drew]

So the only seats of interest left, the Suzuki and possibly the Ducati if Ianoni (that ain't spelt right) gets the boot.

[pritch]

So the only seats of interest left, the Suzuki and possibly the Ducati if Ianoni (that ain't spelt right) gets the boot.

And the satellite teams?

I read one comment about Pedrosa going to Yamaha. The writer said the two sources that broke the story are usually reliable and he would like to know exactly where they got their info which would indicate whether:
A) Pedro was trying to up his offer from Honda or
B) Yamaha were trying to get vinales to hurry up and sign or
C) (insert your own theory here)

Matthew Birt the commentator was saying what a display of loyalty by both Pedrosa and Honda his new signing was. Honda might deserve slightly fewer points for loyalty, because Pedro was out of a job when Marquez came to Repsol but for Stoner retiring.

[pritch]

It's reported that Dovi will partner JL @ Ducati. Not really a surprise?

[James Deuce]

Both teams have a #2 who won't trouble their respective lead riders for the next two seasons. Certainly good news for Lorenzo and Marquez.

[sugilite]

What a shame Pedro is staying with Honda. Guess we will never know his reasons, but would of really liked to see him get a title before retirement, and the Yamaha well could of given him the platform to do that.

[pritch]

When Lorenzo went to Yamaha he went to a fully developed bike, once he dispensed with the aerial gymnastics he was very quick.
The Ducati is rather less developed at this stage and it'll be interesting to see how soon he adapts to it.

[5150]

When Lorenzo went to Yamaha he went to a fully developed bike, once he dispensed with the aerial gymnastics he was very quick.
The Ducati is rather less developed at this stage and it'll be interesting to see how soon he adapts to it.

He might even be back to Yamaha in 2 years with his tail between his legs...... Just sayin'

[Crasherfromwayback]

The Ducati is rather less developed at this stage and it'll be interesting to see how soon he adapts to it.

I reckon he'll struggle with it.

[Badjelly]

What a shame Pedro is staying with Honda. Guess we will never know his reasons, but would of really liked to see him get a title before retirement, and the Yamaha well could of given him the platform to do that.

I suspect his reason is that Yamaha didn't offer the job to him in the end because they got their first choice, Vinales.

[denill]

Lol. Bro, you need a bib! But yeah, I too wish Pedro had gone to Yamaha. Love to see him win a title before he goes, but on a Honda, it's very unlikely.

I was convinced Yamaha never wanted two old men and the leaked threat of Pedrosa was always a tool to encourage Vinales to take what was on offer.

[Dadpole]

I was convinced Yamaha never wanted two old men and the leaked threat of Pedrosa was always a tool to encourage Vinales to take what was on offer.

It seemed to work though. I think that Pedrosa on a short term contract would also have been a good option for Yamaha to give them time to find a young up-and-comer EG Bulega.

[pritch]

I think that Pedrosa on a short term contract would also have been a good option for Yamaha to give them time to find a young up-and-comer EG Bulega.

Some of the commentators feel that there is currently a shortage of talent in Moto2 and that the riders of real potential are still in Moto3. That may or may not be true, we'll see how they go when they get to Moto2.

[BMWST?]

Some of the commentators feel that there is currently a shortage of talent in Moto2 and that the riders of real potential are still in Moto3. That may or may not be true, we'll see how they go when they get to Moto2.
I think Rins is very talented.Interesting tho the same team keeps aquiring and promoting the moto3 talent to motogp.first Vinales now Rins...who was on that bike before MV?

[puddytat]

Pol Espargaro I think.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some of the commentators feel that there is currently a shortage of talent in Moto2 and that the riders of real potential are still in Moto3. .

Fuck yeah! Lets sign a loud mouthed Aussie fuckhead straight from Moto3 to a factory supported ride. Oh hang on...

:msn-wink:

[trev]

So CJ to Suzuki = another slot filled. I'd like to see LCR switch to Suzuki (if Suzuki can provide bike/s) with 2 bikes. They could probably get 2 zooks for not much more then 1 RCV.
Not sure who I'd like to see riding them though.

[mulletman]

So CJ to Suzuki = another slot filled. I'd like to see LCR switch to Suzuki (if Suzuki can provide bike/s) with 2 bikes. They could probably get 2 zooks for not much more then 1 RCV.
Not sure who I'd like to see riding them though.

The other Andrea to Suzuki.

[James Deuce]

The other Andrea to Suzuki.
Suzuki are running on a tight budget.

[pritch]

I'd like to see LCR switch to Suzuki (if Suzuki can provide bike/s) with 2 bikes. They could probably get 2 zooks for not much more then 1 RCV.


That idea has already been reported as under negotiation. One rider would be Crutchlow it seems he has signed for two years, and Suzuki is the only bike on the grid he hasn't ridden.

Meantime back in Italy.... with a day or two to go before kick off at Mugello.

Aldo Drudi will be a familiar name to some of you, he is a designer and is the guy responsible for all of Rossi's kit and a whole raft of other stuff. I note that the paint jobs on three of my helmets are by Drudi Design, not just the AGV, two of them are Arai. He is currently in the news because Rossi always introduces a one-off helmet design by Drudi at Mugello, and because Drudi launched a concept bike this morning our time. The Burasca uses a Honda VFR 1200 engine. If it has a bigger tank range than the VFR that alone would be an improvement, the price would probably resemble a telephone number though.

I heard an interview with Drudi at Phillip Island, he is an iteresting guy. Here is an old interview I found this morning when looking up Burasca.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/07/10/cw-interview-ten-questions-with-italian-designer-aldo-drudi/

[sugilite]

Suzuki are running on a tight budget.

They may need to up their crash damage budget next year.

[ecko_nzed]

http://www.suzuki-racing.com/motogp/ANDREA-IANNONE-TO-BE-SUZUKI-FACTORY-RIDER-IN-2017-2018.71107.cms

That crash budget still might need topping up

[ecko_nzed]

Gobert was recognised as one of the greatest riding talents ever seen at the time. Such a fucken shame he is such a bloody moron.

Before anyone blames drugs, loads of people who aren't cunts take drugs.

Anyhoo, Doohan is a good cunt...Mibbee he's not really Australian.

cyclings Lance Armstrong took heaps of drugs and look at how many tour de france's he won. Clearly just the wrong drugs.

[ecko_nzed]

Didn't Old Mate make a bet with me again this season that Bradley Smith would get a top five finish?

Make 'em cold Bro!!!

season ain't over yet! <he says confidently, while praying for rain soaked flag to flag races>

[Crasherfromwayback]

season ain't over yet! <he says confidently, while praying for rain soaked flag to flag races>

Lol. I reckon it is for you Bro!

[ecko_nzed]

Why, Did I miss something? I'm praying for a rain soaked flag to flag

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why, Did I miss something?

Yep. 2 doz cold Steinies.

[pritch]

So the press conference went well with all concerned being very diplomatic about the new signings.

Last night Twitter started out calm enough.

Lorenzo and Marquez are to have bodyguards at Mugello. The jury is out as to whether that's a Dorna overeaction or whether it's better to be safe than sorry. There have been bodyguards before. Degner had one after defecting to the west from East Germany. Biaggi once had a couple dressed as Roman gladiators apparently, and of course Simoncelli had a huge Police presence including bodyguards at Jerez after he'd received death threats.

Petrucci says his injury is still not healed but has the advantage that he can now forecast the weather by the pain in his wrist.

Casey Stoner popped up and said that Rossi should show sportmanship and ask his fans not to boo Lorenzo and Marquez. And the shit hit the fan.
Uproar in cyberspace. One of the anti-Rossi fans objected to the flak Stoner was receiving. So I had a look. It's huge. Some of it is genuinely funny but some is just nasty. Like me, many wonder when Stoner became an expert on sportsmanship. Some ask where this sportsmanship was when he punched DePuniet. Many suggest he should stick to fishing. (That's the polite version.)

For the record, Rossi in an interview in Italian had asked the fans to show respect to all of the riders.

That's it, I'm going back to read Stoner's mail.

[pritch]

The latest Paddock Pass podcast is an interview with Pippa Laverty talking about life with a racer. She sounds as nice as she looks.
It can be heard here: https://motomatters.com/

[Crasherfromwayback]

Casey Stoner popped up and said that Rossi should show sportmanship and ask his fans not to boo Lorenzo and Marquez. And the shit hit the fan.
Like me, many wonder when Stoner became an expert on sportsmanship. .

Can't ever recall seeing him blame the other riders for siding with someone else to stop him winning the title I must say...:innocent:

[Drew]

Can't ever recall seeing him blame the other riders for siding with someone else to stop him winning the title I must say...:innocent:

Nah, he's been well upstaged in the poor form stakes.

Jorge reminds me of Stoner when he's not top step of the podium though. They can't give credit where it's due, and it grinds the fuck out of my gears.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah, he's been well upstaged in the poor form stakes.

Jorge reminds me of Stoner when he's not top step of the podium though. They can't give credit where it's due, and it grinds the fuck out of my gears.

Yeah. Looks like they're about to trip over their bottom lip.