Bucket update

[Slingshot]

Hehe, just about fucked Slingshot's bucket good. No way is he beating me now.

Did I say that out loud?

Don't worry...when the dodgy welding lets go, the engine will fall out and take you out....then I'll be able to do Flintstone styles across the finish line!:bleh:

You'll be :second:

I'll be :first:

[ajturbo]

you would be thinking the so called GP racer are gona be fuck good i bet!! $5 ill beat at less one of them! heheheh:banana:


i wish someone would teach mudboy how to friggin spell!!!!!!!:angry2:

[ajturbo]

Don't worry...when the dodgy welding lets go, the engine will fall out and take you out....then I'll be able to do Flintstone styles across the finish line!:bleh:

You'll be :second:

I'll be :first:

this is only IF christine LETS you pass.........:devil2:

by the way skunk... bring that sprocket
and if any one has a 12/13/ tooth front sprocket that will fit a CB125... can they bring that also please

[Nasty]

i wish someone would teach mudboy how to friggin spell!!!!!!!:angry2:

Try his DAD!!

[ajturbo]

Try his DAD!!


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... not that....
not the face

NOT THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jerry:

[Sully60]

this is only IF christine LETS you pass.........:devil2:

by the way skunk... bring that sprocket
and if any one has a 12/13/ tooth front sprocket that will fit a CB125... can they bring that also please

I've got a selection of cb125t sprockets and if you speak to me nicely I'll let you use one.

[Slingshot]

Looks like I'm gonna be racing tomorrow.

Big thanks to Skunk & AJTurbo for all of the work that you both put in to make this happen!

Wasp...thanks for grinding that thing...what ever it was.

Sketchy_Racer...thanks for pointing out that we did need to connect the CDI thingy to get the motor to run.

Skunk...once again, mate...without you this would never have come together. Thanks heaps.

See you all at the track tomorrow.

[Skunk]

Skunk...once again, mate...without you this would never have come together. Thanks heaps.
Anything to get you hooked eh?

You have some MORE work to do on it too - I found the source of the clanking noise when we ran it down the drive...

T'was the chain on the engine mount bolt. AJ and I have smaller sprockets for the front that should cure it. You just have to fit one.

[Slingshot]

Anything to get you hooked eh?

You have some MORE work to do on it too - I found the source of the clanking noise when we ran it down the drive...

T'was the chain on the engine mount bolt. AJ and I have smaller sprockets for the front that should cure it. You just have to fit one.

Will it run tomorrow without having to change the sprocket first?

[Skunk]

Not quietly... :laugh:

Won't take more than 10 mins to do. I'll get there early and start on it.

[Ozzy27]

Hey Guys, I'm Bringing down 3 100cc Quads for the day tomorrow got the ok from Bayden. Just looking for a few Test pilots Come over and say Hi if you are Keen for a go!
Should be totally sick if it is wet.:eek:
See ya all Tomorrow
Ozzy

[Skunk]

Hmmm, should be dry tomorrow. Do they drift?

[Ozzy27]

Only if ya keep em nailed, Bayden Had a play on one up here and had a bit of smoke doing donuts! They understeer badly if ya dont slide em!

[ajturbo]

Only if ya keep em nailed, Bayden Had a play on one up here and had a bit of smoke doing donuts! They understeer badly if ya dont slide em!


OOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo

please can i have a go??:wari::clap:

i used to race them back in the early 80's... but they were 350's(?) back then..................................

[Ozzy27]

OOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo

please can i have a go??:wari::clap:

i used to race them back in the early 80's... but they were 350's(?) back then..................................
Sure no worries Bringing down 3 bikes to see if we can get some people keen on making it a regular thing. Still got dirt tyres on them which makes riding them a hoot!

[ajturbo]

Sure no worries Bringing down 3 bikes to see if we can get some people keen on making it a regular thing. Still got dirt tyres on them which makes riding them a hoot!


Coool!:banana:

will let you loose on christine if your game....:buggerd:

[Sully60]

Coool!:banana:

will let you loose on christine if your game....:buggerd:

Pimping out Christine for a ride on a quad:nono: Is there no end to the debauchery amongst the bucket community?

Ozzy27 I'd be keen for a skid if I survive long enough tommorrow.

Cool idea, it'll be interesting to see how they go around the not so slipway (in the dry anyway aye Skunk:msn-wink:)

[Skunk]

Always plenty of traction for me.
It's you that likes sitting on your arse during races!

[Sully60]

Always plenty of traction for me.
It's you that likes sitting on your arse during races!

You make it sound like I was kickin' back on the sofa with a beer! It was much more exciting Skunk. Sliding backwards watching all you guys overtake me was one of my racing career highlights!:crazy:

[gav]

Hey, see a few of you guys are running GL145's. What are you doing (if anything) to the motor to hot them up?

[Blackflagged]

Cbr150 if anyones interested http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=115696620

[ajturbo]

Hey, see a few of you guys are running GL145's. What are you doing (if anything) to the motor to hot them up?

they don't need any mods... the boys up here a too fast..:Pokey:

[gav]

Looking at that Slipway video, do you guys even get out of second gear? :whistle:

[Skunk]

Second and third for me on the AX100... And my GL145 was just a mild cam. The 'Loncin' (or whatever) is a GL copy and has no mods I know of. Friggin' fast with Fishie on it.

[Ivan]

My CBR I raced was 150 cc 4 stroke engine standered,


It was hooking 4th i think

[Skunk]

It was hooking 4th i think
You don't know?!?

[Ivan]

Ido wastired at the time and trying to remember,

Yip I hooked 4th on it 4th was more a cruisy gear to stop the engine from ringing it self to pieces,


And 5th on the RG50 pinning it holding the throttle on the stop

[F5 Dave]

Think I was flat in 5th on the 50, but I never know what number gear I'm in. But I do know exactly what the gear above & the gear below feel like & how many changes I've made.

[Sully60]

Looking at that Slipway video, do you guys even get out of second gear? :whistle:

This track would actually have a higher average speed that most of tracks / carparks we have raced on over the last few years in Welly. Although those end corners look quite slow (2nd gear) they're are grippy and you can hold good speed and the rest of the track is flat out. Makes for some good braking duels!:chase:

[Ivan]

Yeah it is really really really grippy,

I was pushing harder on the corners on the 50 than the CBR tho,

[Sketchy_Racer]

You push your bike in corners Ivan... jezz man no wonder your slow.. how about riding it :P

[Sully60]

You push your bike in corners Ivan... jezz man no wonder your slow.. how about riding it :P

So harsh for one so young, yet wise beyond your age.

Come on though, he was pushing HARD and blipping the throttle in someones video.

Wish I had done that!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Ohhh yeah mate.. dont forget that blippage.. man I wish i came even close to his blipping skills.

Hell im still trying to figure out how to stay on bikes.. let alone start blipping shit!

[Ivan]

Lol you guys are harsh!!!!


Cant I ride a bike without faults being picked up,

If I didnt blip it it would compression lock when lent over,

Geez guys so harsh,


And Glen you should be respecting your elders since I a week older than you:yawn:

[Sully60]

Cant I ride a bike without faults being picked up,



You were the one who said you were pushing hard and blipping the throttle, I was merely pointing out to Sketchy that this is a lot to be doing while you're riding a bucket as fast as you do Ivan.:msn-wink:

[CM2005]

haha, ivan your like bucket mockage all the time!

[Ivan]

I am the mockage at any point,

If its not Ginga

Its The Fact I got Straightned black ahir

Or my racing lol

[Skunk]

Sketchy_Racer turned up with AJ and 'One-Arm' Wasp to clean a chamber: MqtV0kYj7Xg

Todays work on my ZXR bucket... build some engine mounts.

[ajturbo]

cannot "see" it.. but did you CLEAN it ????????

[Ivan]

Hmmmm,

Ax 100 engine in zxr250 chassis.


Question is standered?



Should have my 50 back on track by next round, that things the bomb me and Sketchy put afully adjustible Rear shock in it


Its awsome.


And the AX well dont start me on that. Its so close to being finshed it aint funnyreally just gotta get some time now, and a welder.

[Slingshot]

Sketchy_Racer turned up with AJ and 'One-Arm' Wasp to clean a chamber:

Todays work on my ZXR bucket... build some engine mounts.

That ZXR looks like it's coming along nicely!!

For some reason the vid isn't working...maybe it's a youtube issue.

If you're going to be home today I'll pop round and drop off that sprocket and borrow that book if it's still ok.

[Ivan]

That ZXR looks like it's coming along nicely!!

For some reason the vid isn't working...maybe it's a youtube issue.

If you're going to be home today I'll pop round and drop off that sprocket and borrow that book if it's still ok.

If thats 2 stroke perofrmance tuning ill get some blank cds and flick you a copy I got on CD.

Also got the link here somewere for it on PDF

[Slingshot]

If thats 2 stroke perofrmance tuning ill get some blank cds and flick you a copy I got on CD.

Also got the link here somewere for it on PDF

I came across this link (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3258/A-Graham-Bell-Two-Stroke-Performance-Tuning) a couple of days ago but am not sure if it's the same book that Skunk has, is this the one that you have Ivan?

[Ivan]

I came across this link (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3258/A-Graham-Bell-Two-Stroke-Performance-Tuning) a couple of days ago but am not sure if it's the same book that Skunk has, is this the one that you have Ivan?

Thats it.


Its the same as skunk has cept an earlier version,

It has Tuning setup for Moto X Enduro and Road Race.


Its a bit different but still good as its around the same times as our engines were made

[CM2005]

ZXR/AX100?!?!??!?!??! what happened to Power-To-Weight ratios?

[Ivan]

I reckon.

Power to weight. Lmao

[Skunk]

And the AX well dont start me on that. Its so close to being finshed it aint funnyreally just gotta get some time now, and a welder.
Not much happened to the power to weight ratios actually. I was a little surprised.

It's only a temporary measure to get me to the BoB this month. I don't have any money but I have a good motor and a good chassis. Simple solution is to put them together - rather than talk about how soon it will be done (Ivan).

My book is much newer and covers all the old stuff with current thinking.

The video works for me - it starts badly but clears up in 10 seconds or so. What are you guys getting?

[Sketchy_Racer]

the vids workin for me now!

[Ivan]

Not much happened to the power to weight ratios actually. I was a little surprised.

It's only a temporary measure to get me to the BoB this month. I don't have any money but I have a good motor and a good chassis. Simple solution is to put them together - rather than talk about how soon it will be done (Ivan).

My book is much newer and covers all the old stuff with current thinking.

The video works for me - it starts badly but clears up in 10 seconds or so. What are you guys getting?


Woops I look bad I didnt mean that,

I ment the power to weight ratios, as in yeah the poor little engine will struggle in that chassis more than a lighter one not meaning haha just meaning yeah cant explain just trying to say im not picking at you Skunk I admirwe your dedication

[Skunk]

If you're going to be home today I'll pop round and drop off that sprocket and borrow that book if it's still ok.
Cheers for the extras!

[Skunk]

Any fork experts out there who can give me a hand on the weekend? Just need someone to make sure what I'm doing is right. It's my last chance to get the AX ready for the BoB.

[Sully60]

Any fork experts out there who can give me a hand on the weekend? Just need someone to make sure what I'm doing is right. It's my last chance to get the AX ready for the BoB.

Are you just changing the seals? Or are you trying to set them up?

[Skunk]

I have emulators in them and some advice from Robert Taylor. Need someone with experience to test them and know whether they are 'good-to-go' or need re-adjusting.

[Sketchy_Racer]

I'd love to say i could help you skunk.. but i know as much (or as little) as you..

I got those RG50 forks onto my bucket now aye.. but need to get some clipons for them cause the tripple clamps don't have the mounts for the MX bars.. Anyone Help??

Also gotta weld me on some rear sets

It'll get there.. then there's just that clutch basket issue.. anyone got a GP125 clutch basket??

[Skunk]

I'd love to say i could help you skunk.. but i know as much (or as little) as you..

I got those RG50 forks onto my bucket now aye.. but need to get some clipons for them cause the tripple clamps don't have the mounts for the MX bars.. Anyone Help??

Have I got some billet alloy blocks for you... Just need the clamps drilled and a clearance gap cut. They were machined for RG50 forks to take clip-ons.

If you can check the forks and tell me what's wrong I can adjust them.

[Slingshot]

Sketchy_Racer turned up with AJ and 'One-Arm' Wasp to clean a chamber:

Is this video working for anyone else? I still can't get it to work.

[Skunk]

Try this oneMqtV0kYj7Xg

[Sully60]

I have emulators in them and some advice from Robert Taylor. Need someone with experience to test them and know whether they are 'good-to-go' or need re-adjusting.

What bike are the forks from?
Emulatorsesses is pretty flash for a bucket bro! Pitty they sit inside the forks because they've got serious bling factor!:niceone:

Did Dr T give you the instructions for them? This tells you pretty much anything you need to know.(i have a set if not) Otherwise I could come and do the old push the forks up and down then stand there stroking my beard going hmmm???

Unless the forks have been assembled incorrectly(and obviously wrong) the only real way to know is ride it.:scooter:

[Skunk]

What bike are the forks from?Wish I knew. Got them from Bungbung with an MB100 frame.

Emulatorsesses is pretty flash for a bucket bro! Pitty they sit inside the forks because they've got serious bling factor!:niceone:Full story: the fork travel is only about 80mm. Forks bottom out under mild braking but are too stiff to get any sag. I get front end chatter under acceleration and lockup under brakes.


Did Dr T give you the instructions for them? This tells you pretty much anything you need to know.(i have a set if not) Otherwise I could come and do the old push the forks up and down then stand there stroking my beard going hmmm??? That's what I need. I don't know what to look for in a push test. I do have a driveway to test on... :laugh: I have Robert's instructions and have talked to him but there aren't any more meetings before the BoB.


Unless the forks have been assembled incorrectly(and obviously wrong) the only real way to know is ride it.:scooter:Assembled by Robert - I think they are right but changes are needed. Reduce preload to get some sag, then firm up the emulator to stop it bottoming out.

[Sully60]

Sorry I don't actually know the official resedence of the Newlands Elite, pm me your address I can do some beard stroking and maybe some work to help out.

[Skunk]

Can't you see it in my profile? Anyway PM on it's way

[Slingshot]

That's what I need. I don't know what to look for in a push test. I do have a driveway to test on... :laugh: I have Robert's instructions and have talked to him but there aren't any more meetings before the BoB.

Sounds like you need a big carpark somewhere so you can test em.


That vid is cool...Did Wasp have the latex cloves on? And was that just with the air compressor or was it the oxy/acetiline(sp)?

[Skunk]

Sounds like you need a big carpark somewhere so you can test em.


That vid is cool...Did Wasp have the latex cloves on? And was that just with the air compressor or was it the oxy/acetiline(sp)?
That was Sketchy with the air hose.

And yep, a big quiet piece of flatish asphalt to call my own. :yes:

[Slingshot]

How are those forks coming along Skunk?

I've spent the last few nights sanding and fiberglassing...there's nothing quite like spending quality time with the bucket.

Also spoke to the old man about boring out the barrel tonight, I've been dropping subtle hints to him for a couple of weeks and he hadn't yet offered to do the work so had to come straight out with it..."we're really busy at the moment, but we'll get something sorted" was his reply.

Come next pay day I should be able to order a new piston, all is looking good to be ready for the 30th.

[ajturbo]

How are those forks coming along Skunk?

I've spent the last few nights sanding and fiberglassing...there's nothing quite like spending quality time with the bucket.

Also spoke to the old man about boring out the barrel tonight, I've been dropping subtle hints to him for a couple of weeks and he hadn't yet offered to do the work so had to come straight out with it..."we're really busy at the moment, but we'll get something sorted" was his reply.

Come next pay day I should be able to order a new piston, all is looking good to be ready for the 30th.

where you getting it from?

tonyB i hope!:girlfight::lol::chase:

[Slingshot]

where you getting it from?

tonyB i hope!:girlfight::lol::chase:

Yes indeed.

Just trying to figure out what size to go for. I assume that going to an oversized piston will increase the compression ratio...should probably start using avgas.

[Skunk]

Haven't started to be honest. Had an issue with fitting the AX motor into the ZXR so that's hold too. Fucken busy at work since this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0rwMirHuy8) left. I'll do it on Friday night when I get home (whatever time that is. :laugh: )

[Slingshot]

Haven't started to be honest. Had an issue with fitting the AX motor into the ZXR so that's hold too. Fucken busy at work since this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0rwMirHuy8) left. I'll do it on Friday night when I get home (whatever time that is. :laugh: )

Who's that guy?

[Skunk]

Ex employee. Known to everyone at work as Ponytail. Lives in Masterton and drove that car with that load home.

He got a scooter recently; got lessons from the bike shop when he picked it up. Left the shop to go home on it and rode into a lamp post. Didn't even make it to the road. Handed the scooter back and asked them to fix it.

He was applying for jobs using the work email account too.

Getting a picture?

[ajturbo]

Yes indeed.

Just trying to figure out what size to go for. I assume that going to an oversized piston will increase the compression ratio...should probably start using avgas.
i'm no bike mech... but increasing the piston size wont increase the compression i don't think....
what i did in the 90's ( last centery) was thinner base gasket and thinner head gasket, tunued it on 96 ( i think.. ) avgas ? i never used that, and the bike was FAST... i wasn't .... but when i was on it long enough to complet a lap or two,,, she flew!

looks like we are helping skunk on friday..? i'll bring the hammer..

[Slingshot]

looks like we are helping skunk on friday..? i'll bring the hammer..

Would love to, but I'm heading over to Masterton on Friday after work to drop the head and barrel off to the old man.

[Slingshot]

i'm no bike mech... but increasing the piston size wont increase the compression i don't think....

My thinking was that increasing the piston size would increase the volume of the cylinder and that volume would still have to be squeezed into the same old head space. I'm probably completely off the mark...hope the motor runs when I get it back together.

[Slingshot]

Ex employee. Known to everyone at work as Ponytail. Lives in Masterton and drove that car with that load home.

He got a scooter recently; got lessons from the bike shop when he picked it up. Left the shop to go home on it and rode into a lamp post. Didn't even make it to the road. Handed the scooter back and asked them to fix it.

He was applying for jobs using the work email account too.

Getting a picture?

He sounds like an interesting character.

Is this the same guy that wrote off his car heading to fix up a fucked up job in the wee small hours?

[Skunk]

He sounds like an interesting character.

Is this the same guy that wrote off his car heading to fix up a fucked up job in the wee small hours?
LOL, no. That one is also an ex-employee!

The compression increase is negligible. I would run it on avgas due to what happened to the existing piston. F5Dave could be right about it detonating.

Come on over AJ... have a laugh and a beer, and freeze ya arse off in the garage.

[quallman1234]

I have radial tyres on my "motard"/"Bucket" now :Playnice:.

[Sully60]

It is vitally important to keep a good supply of quality lubricant on hand at all times incase of any emergent situations where intimacy of mating parts is critical.

Failure to adhere to good lube practices can result increased levels of painful stiction and friction which in turn creates a general lack of satifaction with preformance and in the long term can result in excessive clearance between the formally intimate components.

Unfortunately a friend of mine :msn-wink:was less the prudent when it came to this important issue. Despite this persons prowess with maintaining the intimate relationships in all areas of his life he was let down by there she'll be right attitude and suffered the consequences.
When questioned about this my friend says:
"I wondered why when I seemed to be trying really hard I wasn't getting anywhwere-cough-and things just got noisey and I had to really pound the poor we thing to even start to get it going.-sniff- My performance was really suffering -hoik- and I was even thought I was going to finish a bit to soon as couple of times. I thought about lube thing but was distracted by the whining from the top end.

Below are photos of the result of this persons unsympathetic attitude to lubricant and the application of it. Let this be a lesson to all who have are responsible for intimate moving parts. The ones on the right are what these parts should look like.

[ajturbo]

Below are photos of the result of this persons unsympathetic attitude to lubricant and the application of it. Let this be a lesson to all who have are responsible for intimate moving parts.

no there's not!....

on that note... skunk.. you can weld up luke's fuel tank right!...:clap:

[F5 Dave]

Oww that 4 banger looks a bit poked!

With the GP yes the increase in compression ratio will be negligible on a stock engine. But these things are exponential, as you approach higher numbers smaller changes make bigger differences. Thus a perfectly safe but tuned to the edge engine may go over the edge with a rebore.

Really the only sensible thing to do is measure the squish and measure the compression ratio when you have all the bits back. This is remarkably easy if you have the engine out of the frame. Tell you what, I'm in Normandale I'll show you how to measure it one night if you want to bring the engine around one night when it is bored & back together.

Wouldn't mind seeing the old piston in the flesh, I might have been off the mark with the deto idea. Maybe. Pistons don't usually fall apart without good reason.

You'll be wanting a 2 thou clearance for the new piston in an air-cooled barrel & probably 14:1 compression is a good starting point for Av. Maybe less for 98, head design may play a part too.


Had a friend had a very fast GP years ago. Water cooled it using a belt drive pump off a Honda Beat scooter.

[Skunk]

Thanks guys for the help setting up the forks... still lacking sag but much better on everything else. I think between tweaking the oil level, sealing the top and adjusting the preload on the emulators I should get and really good result.

Thanks again.
skunk.. you can weld up luke's fuel tank right!...:clap:
Yes. How big do you want the explosion?

Bring it round with some meths (a couple of litres) and we'll see if we can stop it from exploding while we weld.

[speedpro]

It is vitally important to keep a good supply of quality lubricant on hand at all times incase of any emergent situations where intimacy of mating parts is critical.

Failure to adhere to good lube practices can result increased levels of painful stiction and friction which in turn creates a general lack of satifaction with preformance and in the long term can result in excessive clearance between the formally intimate components.

Unfortunately a friend of mine :msn-wink:was less the prudent when it came to this important issue. Despite this persons prowess with maintaining the intimate relationships in all areas of his life he was let down by there she'll be right attitude and suffered the consequences.
When questioned about this my friend says:
"I wondered why when I seemed to be trying really hard I wasn't getting anywhwere-cough-and things just got noisey and I had to really pound the poor we thing to even start to get it going.-sniff- My performance was really suffering -hoik- and I was even thought I was going to finish a bit to soon as couple of times. I thought about lube thing but was distracted by the whining from the top end.

Below are photos of the result of this persons unsympathetic attitude to lubricant and the application of it. Let this be a lesson to all who have are responsible for intimate moving parts. The ones on the right are what these parts should look like.


4-strokes. Were you expecting something different? Far too many moving parts to make any sence.

[ajturbo]

Thanks guys for the help setting up the forks... still lacking sag but much better on everything else. I think between tweaking the oil level, sealing the top and adjusting the preload on the emulators I should get and really good result.

Thanks again.
Yes. How big do you want the explosion?

Bring it round with some meths (a couple of litres) and we'll see if we can stop it from exploding while we weld.

i don't think i should bring the meths... your silly enough on bourbon....:bash:

[Skunk]

i don't think i should bring the meths... your silly enough on bourbon....:bash:
Fuck man you ain't never seen me pissed with nothing to do...

Come round Sunday with the tank. And bring ya van... we'll need it.

[Skunk]

4-strokes. Were you expecting something different? Far too many moving parts to make any sence.
Very true. Look what happened to mine.

[ajturbo]

And bring ya van... we'll need it.

OOOooo we making "that" movie you wanted?:jerry:

[Slingshot]

Really the only sensible thing to do is measure the squish and measure the compression ratio when you have all the bits back. This is remarkably easy if you have the engine out of the frame. Tell you what, I'm in Normandale I'll show you how to measure it one night if you want to bring the engine around one night when it is bored & back together.

Wouldn't mind seeing the old piston in the flesh, I might have been off the mark with the deto idea. Maybe. Pistons don't usually fall apart without good reason.


Thanks for the offer, when I get the head and the barrel back from the old man and I've re-assembled it I'll drop you a line.

[ajturbo]

the GT is


ALIVE

[gav]

For how long?
You painted it PINK yet? :yes:

[gav]

New bucket ......

[Skunk]

But will we see you at BoB? :laugh:

[gav]

But will we see you at BoB? :laugh:
Only if ya turn up!! :dodge:
Yeah, first race for the GLRR will be a biggie! :rockon:

[Buddha#81]

Only if ya turn up!! :dodge:
Yeah, first race for the GLRR will be a biggie! :rockon:



This alone will be worth the trip for you NI'ers, just to see Gav on a GL145 for an hour.:scooter:

[F5 Dave]

At least he'll be comfortable. My old H100 was like racing an armchair, whereas my 50 is akin to some medieval nightmare. But we're used to it now.

Maybe we should turn it into a fuel economy run?

[Buddha#81]

At least he'll be comfortable. My old H100 was like racing an armchair, whereas my 50 is akin to some medieval nightmare. But we're used to it now.

Maybe we should turn it into a fuel economy run?

Ya recon you 50 has better fuel economy than a standard FXR150?

I'm hearing you about thr RS framed specials, I swapped my bike with my brothers at Levels recently, two laps into the race it was red flagged and I had to swap back! Anyone who rides a RS framed anything in an enduro deserves a medal!!!!

...........and have you seen our gav?

[F5 Dave]

Oh No No NO! -- I meant I'd be backing the GL145 in the fuel misery stakes!

[Skunk]

The ferry is booked. Skunk, Skunk Control and Sketchy Racer.

Now, where are we staying?

[ajturbo]

This alone will be worth the trip for you NI'ers, just to see Gav on a GL145 for an hour.:scooter:

i have seen him on a ts100........
now THAT was funny... even I managed to get past him...JUST:msn-wink:

and NO it is NOT pink.... unless black is the new pink....

[Sully60]

i have seen him on a ts100........
now THAT was funny... even I managed to get past him...JUST:msn-wink:

and NO it is NOT pink.... unless black is the new pink....

We're all pink on the inside!

[Skunk]

We're all pink on the inside!
I'm green.

[Sully60]

I'm green.

Through and through, so thats why that Honda motor doesn't like being in that high quality ZXR chassis, your too much of a purebreed not a mongrel like me.

[Skunk]

I'm looking for an AR125 engine really. But I'll take anything that'll get it mobile again...

[gav]

How about a GN125 motor?
Have fitted some ProFire 110 Sprints (look like the old Yoki 110's) and fitted new chain and sprockets, and some MX bars. Fucked around fitting an RS125 tail then decided it'd be way too uncomfortable and will run standard seat for BOB.

[Sully60]

How about a GN125 motor?
Have fitted some ProFire 110 Sprints (look like the old Yoki 110's) and fitted new chain and sprockets, and some MX bars. Fucked around fitting an RS125 tail then decided it'd be way too uncomfortable and will run standard seat for BOB.

You should go flat track styles, big high pipe on the right side, bob that rear end, lay the shocks down. :cool:
Ride with ya foot out when cornering so no one gets past, you'll have the rest of them fucked at BoB!

[Buddha#81]

How about a GN125 motor?
Have fitted some ProFire 110 Sprints (look like the old Yoki 110's) and fitted new chain and sprockets, and some MX bars. Fucked around fitting an RS125 tail then decided it'd be way too uncomfortable and will run standard seat for BOB.

Oi........Gavs serious, I thought you were all talk and no go like Ivan
.........Good on ya Gav.

[Ivan]

You Fuckers just wait

[Sully60]

You Fuckers just wait

And still the little fuckers wait.........

[Buddha#81]

.................and wait

[Buddha#81]

..............and wait

[Buddha#81]

............ Oi Ivan, you there:sleep: or are you getting a bucket going to come down and give us "the learn".:devil2:

[gav]

Yeah, come on Ivan, I need someone to race with ....... :confused:

[Skunk]

Yeah, come on Ivan, I need someone to race with .......

You're REALLY going to turn up AND race?!

Ivan will show you all. Um, I mean, tell you all.

[gav]

Race? Maybe tour at a quickish pace would be more appropriate .....
However, might have to do "something" with the footpegs, they don't fold, and me thinks they might have too ....

[Skunk]

What, for when you crash whilst touring?

I enjoy touring. You get to see more of the sights and sounds of bikes rushing by... I don't think I've ever raced yet.

[Kickaha]

..
However, might have to do "something" with the footpegs, they don't fold, and me thinks they might have too ....

they don't unless you're racing on a Kart Track

[ajturbo]

What, for when you crash whilst touring?

I enjoy touring. You get to see more of the sights and sounds of bikes rushing by... I don't think I've ever raced yet.


you may not have.. but your bike has!!!!:rolleyes:

[Skunk]

you may not have.. but your bike has!!!!:rolleyes:
Well, it is better than me...

[Slingshot]

I decided to paint Frank while the motor is out being re-bored.

I might have got a little carried away, anyway...big question now is what colour to paint the wheels.

Managed to get some rearsets off trademe so I'll be fitting those too before the end of the month, came with a gear linkage thingy too so it'll change from "race pattern" to standard.

[Sully60]

I might have got a little carried away, anyway...big question now is what colour to paint the wheels.



BLACK!

Keep the body work Fire engine red, glossy black number boards, chrome numbers. Beadblast engine cases, polish side covers. :cool:
Oh wait who's getting carried away now?

Throw it down the track and undo all the good work.:crybaby:

Repeat process.

[Slingshot]

BLACK!

Keep the body work Fire engine red, glossy black number boards, chrome numbers. Beadblast engine cases, polish side covers. :cool:
Oh wait who's getting carried away now?

Throw it down the track and undo all the good work.:crybaby:

Repeat process.

Fairing will be fire engine red, number boards will be matt black cause I've run out of glossy black...in fact, I'm lucky that the entire frame is glossy black...it was almost a half 'n half job. Numbers will probably be white, got a mate that's hopefully gonna make em up.

But what about the wheels?

[Skunk]

White. Or Black .No - Grey. Yep grey.


Gold. Gold is it.

With Silver. Mostly silver with a bit of black.

Or Black with gold bits.

Not blue or red.

What bit are you painting?

[gav]

Paint it PINK!!
Like this cool dude!

[Slingshot]

What bit are you painting?

I've painted the frame black and am painting the fairings red, it's the wheels that I'm not sure what colour to go.

Pink::sick:

[Skunk]

Black with gold trims.


Cause I wouldn't.

[Slingshot]

Black with gold trims.


Cause I wouldn't.

I might glue diamanties around the rim too.

[Skunk]

Ooooh, nice.

[ajturbo]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Frames-bodywork/auction-118307776.htm

would this be a good one for the gt?

[ajturbo]

Paint it PINK!!
Like this cool dude!


frig that is an old photo!!!...

luke is using that jacket now!!!! ( untill his NEW QUASSI one turns up)

DT100?...

[gav]

Yeah, think it is the mighty DT100!

Anyone used these tyres?
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/content/catalogueViewEntry.aspx?profilePK=all&entryPK=2678

Cheap enough at under $100 each, probably better than pissing around trying to fit 17" rims and S/H slicks?

[Buddha#81]

Yeah, think it is the mighty DT100!

Anyone used these tyres?
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/content/catalogueViewEntry.aspx?profilePK=all&entryPK=2678

Cheap enough at under $100 each, probably better than pissing around trying to fit 17" rims and S/H slicks?

Will they be in stock? Theres always the Ching Shin at $50 and they work ok.

[Skunk]

I run Vee Rubber. Never had a issue - nor has any fast rider who's ridden it. Think they were $75 each.

[Ivan]

Yip Vee Rubbers are cheap and grip like crazy I hadthem on that CBR and had no issues.

[Skunk]

Shit. Time for new rubber! :lol:

[gav]

Anyone know valve clearance settings for a GL145? Cheers!

[Slingshot]

Got the head and the barrel back from the old man today so now I'll be able to put the motor back together.

The bikes spread out in a million bits across the garage floor, the car is living outside at the moment. Hopefully I'll remember how to put everything back together.

Anyone know what I should torque the nuts on the head up to? Also, I assume that the rings will just clip into place on the piston, any hints?

[Sully60]

Anyone know what I should torque the nuts on the head up to? Also, I assume that the rings will just clip into place on the piston, any hints?

Not quite as easy as clipping them on. You have to kind of wind them into the ring grooves. Start with one end of the ring against the locating pin hold your thumb against this point and gently expand the ring and push the free part of the ring into the groove moving around the piston as you go.
Be careful not to bend the rings or snap them, like duh! But it's easy to do if your not careful. It's kinda like mounting a tire. And make sure you put the bottom ring on first :msn-wink: Good luck with this piston I hope you get a few more bangs out of this one.
Head torque no idea really need a manual for that.

[Slingshot]

Not quite as easy as clipping them on. You have to kind of wind them into the ring grooves. Start with one end of the ring against the locating pin hold your thumb against this point and gently expand the ring and push the free part of the ring into the groove moving around the piston as you go.
Be careful not to bend the rings or snap them, like duh! But it's easy to do if your not careful. It's kinda like mounting a tire. And make sure you put the bottom ring on first :msn-wink: Good luck with this piston I hope you get a few more bangs out of this one.
Head torque no idea really need a manual for that.

Thanks Sully, I've got the rings in their grooves now but might need a ring squeezy thing to get it to fit the bore. Anyone know if such a contraption exists?

I probably should have taken note of the way that they old piston was facing too. I'm assuming that the hole in the side of the piston is meant to line up with the inlet ports and not the exhaust port.

[Skunk]

I've got one. don't know if it'll go small enough but we can try. If not a large hose clip - but that's not reccommended (right AJ?).

[ajturbo]

ummm not sure what your talking about there skunk...:whistle::whistle:

[Sully60]

Thanks Sully, I've got the rings in their grooves now but might need a ring squeezy thing to get it to fit the bore. Anyone know if such a contraption exists?

I probably should have taken note of the way that they old piston was facing too. I'm assuming that the hole in the side of the piston is meant to line up with the inlet ports and not the exhaust port.

Most liners are tapered at the bottom and you won't really need a ring compressor if you're careful. You'd be right about about the piston, it should have an arrow on the top, this points to the front side of the engine towards the exhaust.

[Sketchy_Racer]

You shouldn't need a ring compressor on that. I've got a GP100 and had the motor apart and put the piston back in all good.

You mightwant to look at doing a couple of little things before you put it in.

1st: Set your Ring clearance. I don't know any numbers off the top of my head, but im sure F5Dave might be able to help you. Basically while you have the barrel off, take the rings off the piston, and put them in the bore. use the piston to slide them down a a bit and square them up in the barrel. Get some slip gauges and see what the fit is.

2nd: Where it rings locate on the pins in the ring groove, you wanna put a little chamfer around there with a oil stone.

3: Possibly good idea to dress the edges of the ring groove with a oil stone to prevent the rings from sticking.

4: Probably not worth the effort.. but maybe set the squish.. i think running around a 0.65 gap should be ok.

Anywho, Good luck!!

I think either was you put this thing together, she'll go mint :)

[Slingshot]

Father in law is coming over on Tuesday night and we're going to have a crack at getting this motor back together. Thanks all for the advice.

Frank is starting to come together now too, only major piece of work now is making the new rearsets fit and fashion a linkage for the gear shift. I've got the swing arm and the back wheel on, got the front wheel back on and have bleed the brakes.

Fark I love having an excuse to spend time in the garage!!

[Slingshot]

Have now got the motor back together and mounted in the frame.

Am having problems getting it to fire and keep running, me thinks there's an issue with the carb.

Sprayed a little CRC in and kicked it into life and it would run with a fairly wide open throttle but it won't idle and won't start without the help of the CRC.

Any ideas people?

[ajturbo]

it's fucked.. give it to me....


on that note... i got the GT engin back on the weekend....

not sure if i'll have it ready for the weekend...

needs
a rear tyre
engine put back in...

:yes:

[Slingshot]

it's fucked.. give it to me....


Well maybe not....just managed to get it to fire and run briefly. I put my hand over the carb while I kicked the motor over after a couple of kicks it fired...stopped again when I took my hand off it though.

Are you racing at the slipway this weekend?

[ajturbo]

Well maybe not....just managed to get it to fire and run briefly. I put my hand over the carb while I kicked the motor over after a couple of kicks it fired...stopped again when I took my hand off it though.

Are you racing at the slipway this weekend?

it's fucked...

hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!:wari::wari::wari:

but i wouldn't call it racing.. more like...wobbling:baby:

[koba]

it's fucked...

hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!:wari::wari::wari:

but i wouldn't call it racing.. more like...wobbling:baby:

Is it on saturday or sunday?

Sprints may clash :(

[Nasty]

Is it on saturday or sunday?

Sprints may clash :(

Sprints clash .. its on Sunday

[Slingshot]

Got Frankenstein running!!!

Held my hand over the carb again and after a couple of kicks it just kept running.
Got the rear sets mounted, gear & brake linkages lined up...was almost too easy.

Just got to make sure everything is tight now and fit the fairings and I'm away!

See you on Sunday.

[Slingshot]

Right...I think I'm now all set to go for tomorrow out at the slipway.

Had a wee issue on a test run down the street this afternoon, the motor cut out and I ended up having to push the bike home.

Turned out there was a tiny piece of metal stuck between the electrode and the tip of the sparkplug. Ran fine again after I cleaned it and put the plug back in. I'm hoping that it was piece of shit from the old piston and not the new one.

Anyway, assuming that it's not pissing down tomorrow we should be in for a good day.

See you then.

[Sully60]

Damp and windy conditions geeted competitors at todays bucket meeting for Round 4 of the SCS Promotions Champions held at the Slipway Driving Facility. With a depleted field missing regulars F5Dave, Skunk and Sketchy Racer representing the Wellington contingent for the Battle of the Buckets TT also being held today at Ruapuna.

With the weather looking increasingly bad the points races were held fairly quickly. The first race was held in what were to be the dryest conditions of the day although there were spots on the visor and the pace was not the usual of a completely dry slipway. The addition of much tighter chicane section also slowed the track down considerably whilst making for a challenging change of direction. Bayden made the best start and lead for for the early part of the race untroubled. I was in third from the start and after passing ? to be second I put my head down and tried to catch Bayden. I started to open the bike up properly and letting it rev ( I had been taking it a little easy as I was running in the new big bore pistons and rings) The improvement was immense and the engine revs hard all the way to 12500 and maybe a couple more quite safely. The mad ET 190 Vespa of Richard was now in third and and it felt like he was making ground.

Bayden by this time was running into traffic and I manged to catch up to him. I tried my first block pass at the bottom hairpin and despite nearly falling over from just about stopping at the apex I manged to pull it off I got to nthe top corner ahead of bayden but came up on Bungbung who I thought opened the door but then promptly closed it. I lost time trying to avoid him without going over the bars and Bayden managed to pull alongside and then past. As I was still close to him at the bottom corner I tried another block pass, this one was even sketchier than the last as we were coming up fast on Slingshot. I managed to get really tight and Bayden was forced wider onto the same line as Slingshot who at that moment ran out of fuel and stalled throwing Bayden off into the tyres.

I only figured this out after yet another heart stopping moment with a backmarker at the top corner where I didn't get passed and saw bayden stationary at the exit of the bottom corner, soon I also figured out the Richard had binned the Vespa and that Saxet was a fair way behind. I cruised the last two laps and took the win, a good result but I really didn't want Bayden and Richard to crash as they were ahead of Saxet who is close behind me in the points, still a win is a win and I did extend my lead.

As the fun races of the day continued my bike was getting very rattly at the top end. I kept checking this and apart from tightening the valve adjusters I couldn't make it completely go away.

The second points race started in basically wewt conditions with the suface of the track showing no dry lines and constant spots on the visor. Again Bayden made the best start and despite elbow wrestling AJturbo at the start managed to make it around the first lap in third spot. The race basically stayed this way to the end Qualman1234 was in second slipping and sliding all over the place try to get past Bayden. Slingshot was fourth in front of Saxet and going well until a loose engine bolt meant a second DNF. I was happy to maintain third as the engine was even noisier than before I wasn't being left behind despit not using the top 3000rpm and even manged to close right up to Bayden and Qualman as they made a few errors and avoided Bungbung who had a little sit down at the bottom corner.

Things were looking good untill the clutch cable slipped out of the bottom bracket so I had no clutch. I managed to be rough and just change down without using the clutch. I manged to bring the bike home in third by this time the engine was really noisey so I shut it down and threw it straight on the ute. Happy with my results and happy not to kill my "new" engine.

Also managed to get some photos of Slingshot, Qualman1234 and AJTurbo. Pretty shitty though didn't want to get the camera wet!

[Slingshot]

I managed to get really tight and Bayden was forced wider onto the same line as Slingshot who at that moment ran out of fuel and stalled throwing Bayden off into the tyres.


I hadn't stalled at this point...the bike was coughing a bit and I couldn't power out of the corner, I did manage one more lap before the motor ran out of gas completely and I coasted back to the pits.

Bayden over heard me as we were setting up for that race, I had just checked the fuel level and I made a comment to AJ "I'm gonna assume that there's enough fuel for the next race". Bayden replied "famous last words".
He was right.

Fairly wet and horrible day but the conditions make you concentrate pretty hard, I was shagged by the time I got home. I'm a bit pissed that I had two DNFs, I could have been in the points today with the small field and the wet track...oh well, will spend the next four weeks lock-wiring every bolt and then I'll be set.

Sully...thanks for the pic, you even made it blurry to make it look as if I was going fast. :niceone:

[Sully60]

Sully...thanks for the pic, you even made it blurry to make it look as if I was going fast. :niceone:

No photoshopping at all mate! You were actually going pretty quick considering the conditions. I was watching you both go through the new funky chicane and there was some good lean angles through there. Your bike also seems to have quite a good turn of speed, hmmm you could be my spoiler for Tex at the next round??

If you need some lockwire and some twisting pliers (make everything look tidy)
give me a shout we could even lockwire you to the bike so you don't fall off!:msn-wink:

[F5 Dave]

Good write up. Youse guys should really come down for the next BOB. You have a year to start saving. Yeah our good friend Bunga has a habit of racing everyone hard including those lapping him.

Next race 28th October at Slipway.

BUT. 20th & 21st is Taumaruni. A 2 day at a grouse kart track, can camp on site or a cheap motel. See my thread in this section a week or more back.
This is a fun event!!

[quallman1234]

:2thumbsupCheers that was great fun.
Although i think i might have a false preception of how fast i actually am considering i have a slight power advantage (or do i?) And my bike suited the rain quite well.
Nevertheless it was great fun. Almost got passed bayden but not quite!
Next time ill Steal one of AJ's bucket's and see how i go (Thanks aj! :cool::Playnice:)
I had some rather mean slides at times and had to watch out for some oil on the track but i managed to stay upright all day.

[Sully60]

:I had some rather mean slides at times and had to watch out for some oil on the track but i managed to stay upright all day.

That oil was showing you the good lines:innocent:
You were going good too! It was entertaining in watching you slither about trying to whip Baydenin the last race (he's a tough campaigner from way back!) and I though I might have had you on the last lap, I just wasn't quite close enough. Hopefully the weathers a little kinder to us next time, we'll do some more wheelie practice. You'll be twelving in no time!

[quallman1234]

That oil was showing you the good lines:innocent:
You were going good too! It was entertaining in watching you slither about trying to whip Baydenin the last race (he's a tough campaigner from way back!) and I though I might have had you on the last lap, I just wasn't quite close enough. Hopefully the weathers a little kinder to us next time, we'll do some more wheelie practice. You'll be twelving in no time!
Now that i look back Im amazed i didn't crash at all :rockon:

Cheers for the tips on the wheelies! Ill keep practicing! (In safe conditions of course ;), You said something about a carpark?) :yes:

[Slingshot]

If you need some lockwire and some twisting pliers (make everything look tidy)
give me a shout we could even lockwire you to the bike so you don't fall off!:msn-wink:

Sounds good, I'll flick you a PM at some stage.

I'm starting to get a list of stuff that I need/want to do to the bike:
Need to:
Replace missing bolts/nuts
Lock wire everything
Mount a catch bottle
Run the new piston in
Check the travel of the front forks
Check the fork seal in the right fork (looks like it's starting to leak)


Want to:
Design and build a decent expansion chamber
Change the front brake set-up
Get tires with a better profile
Paint it again, this time in paint that's fuel resistant and doesn't rub off.

Buckets are awesome!

[ajturbo]

elbo wrestling off the line... where's the MNZ seward when ya need em eh?...lol

but you do realise i was on the 50cc....!!!
that means i got a better start than you on your beast... you suck:clap::third:

was a great day yesterday!.. i really don't think i was much slower in the wet.. and the track...wow it was a great one, would love to do that one again!!!!

not sure i can make the one up the road , think i am in taupo that weekend... but that means i may make the sunday!!!!!;)

just think.... IF i weighed the same as sully( would have to add about 42kgs).. i may have been able to push him out the way ( on the 50) and get to the top corner in second instead of 3rd!!!!!.....:scooter:

[Sully60]

just think.... IF i weighed the same as sully( would have to add about 42kgs:

Flatery will get you anything you want AJ......Stop it!

I'm up for a wrestle any time. I was just giving you a chance at the start before I had to take the line a metre inside the inside line to pass back markers in the Motogp race:crazy:

Good burnout I must say old chap, warmed the cockles of me 'eart on a cold day that did. I might just have to build a bucket stunta with some old bits and make some cheng shin smoke myself.

Pulled my beastie apart tonight and found one side of the cam was getting no oil, hence the excessive heat and death rattles in the last race. All that oil on the track should have beed going there :doh:
Anyway I have more bits so will be ok. I won't steal Christine away from you just yet!

[ajturbo]

V rubber there matey!!!

glad you didn't take it personaly.... you know, elbo in chest stuff...:girlfight:

[jumma]

Hey guys,

Made it down to the Slipway last Sunday to check out the buckets for the first time and get a few snaps. Hopefully this url will take you to the gallery, I only threw up a handful, feel free to ask me if I got one of you if you're not there.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=570

[Sully60]

Hey guys,

Made it down to the Slipway last Sunday to check out the buckets for the first time and get a few snaps. Hopefully this url will take you to the gallery, I only threw up a handful, feel free to ask me if I got one of you if you're not there.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=570

Cool shots jumma,
and good on ya for standing out there in the wind and rain, she were a cool day on the mountain eye tells ya!:cold:

Got any more of 60? Maybe some braking into the bottom corner? Things were interesting down therei n the anticlockwise race:innocent:

[Skunk]

Anyone interested in a bucket building session?

21 and 22 October at my place (PM me if you don't know where it is). The idea is to put together Sketchy Racers bucket (a pile of parts at the moment I think) and get my ZXR125T running. I'll be working on mine between now and then anyway so it's mainly for Sketchy.

Sully: thanks for the bits and pieces; they came in handy last night to disassemble the AX forks. I've got a better fix to assemble tomorrow am.

[Sully60]

Anyone interested in a bucket building session?

21 and 22 October at my place (PM me if you don't know where it is). The idea is to put together Sketchy Racers bucket (a pile of parts at the moment I think) and get my ZXR125T running. I'll be working on mine between now and then anyway so it's mainly for Sketchy.

I'll be there when my pressing schedule allows.

[Skunk]

Anyone interested in a bucket building session?

21 and 22 October at my place (PM me if you don't know where it is). The idea is to put together Sketchy Racers bucket (a pile of parts at the moment I think) and get my ZXR125T running. I'll be working on mine between now and then anyway so it's mainly for Sketchy.

Sully: thanks for the bits and pieces; they came in handy last night to disassemble the AX forks. I've got a better fix to assemble tomorrow am.
Argh ferk, Sketchy can't make it then. But if he drops off all the parts he has I'm sure we could make him Godzilla.

In the meantime I'll be building 'Queer Kawaka'...

[Ivan]

Sounds cool,


Good on you for planning something,

[Slingshot]

Anyone interested in a bucket building session?

21 and 22 October at my place (PM me if you don't know where it is). The idea is to put together Sketchy Racers bucket (a pile of parts at the moment I think) and get my ZXR125T running. I'll be working on mine between now and then anyway so it's mainly for Sketchy.

Sully: thanks for the bits and pieces; they came in handy last night to disassemble the AX forks. I've got a better fix to assemble tomorrow am.

I'm up for another bucket building session, just let me know when you've confirmed the date.

[Skunk]

I'll be doing mine on 21-22 Oct so you're welcome then. It's only Sketchy who can't make it (for really wimpy reasons...)

[quallman1234]

I'll be doing mine on 21-22 Oct so you're welcome then. It's only Sketchy who can't make it (for really wimpy reasons...)

Trial riding is not wimpy!

[Slingshot]

I've just been round the block on the bucket...and I've come to the conclusion that my forks are rooted.

They bottom out just by sitting on the bike (almost) and I think one of the fork seals is broken.

Anyone know if you need to get bike specific fork seals or can you get generic ones?

Also, would heaver weight fork oil help the bottoming out issue or is it more serious than that?

I also need to find somewhere to test the bike, anyone have any suggestions on a large car park or similar?

[Ivan]

You can get OEM fork seals for the forks but all the sizes need to be correct,

Yes Heavier fork oil will help the affect of bottoming, Really your best way is to PM a KB member called Robert Taylor he is the Ohlins Guru and is really onto it and is real helpful thats your best bet,

[Sully60]

I've just been round the block on the bucket...and I've come to the conclusion that my forks are rooted.

They bottom out just by sitting on the bike (almost) and I think one of the fork seals is broken.

Anyone know if you need to get bike specific fork seals or can you get generic ones?

Also, would heaver weight fork oil help the bottoming out issue or is it more serious than that?

I also need to find somewhere to test the bike, anyone have any suggestions on a large car park or similar?

Are you able to hang out until the build day at the Skunkworks?
That's as good a place as any to try out fork stuff and all up he'll have the best resources. There are some pretty simple solutions to problems like this, things that are ok for bouquets but not if your trying to go 300kph. Dr T may not approve of such "unscientific" medling:innocent:

[Slingshot]

Are you able to hang out until the build day at the Skunkworks?
That's as good a place as any to try out fork stuff and all up he'll have the best resources. There are some pretty simple solutions to problems like this, things that are ok for bouquets but not if your trying to go 300kph. Dr T may not approve of such "unscientific" medling:innocent:

Yeah...I can hold off until the build day...but there's more pressing work to be done there, I don't want to be the reason that Skunk's Queer Kawaka doesn't get finished.

I'm also worried that I won't have enough time to get replacement seals.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Well I finished machining the sprocket carrier for the ZXR125CB thing today. Just have to shorten the studs and she's all done.

sweet!

[Sully60]

Yeah...I can hold off until the build day...but there's more pressing work to be done there, I don't want to be the reason that Skunk's Queer Kawaka doesn't get finished.

I'm also worried that I won't have enough time to get replacement seals.

Nah should be no problem. Can you get one out or read the size (if its on top of the seal) if so we'll track some quick smart. Or are you sure they're standard forks for the RZ and whats the frame prefix itr should be 3LY or something similar. I went to the Vesrah site http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/index_street_f.html but could'nt find a listing for RZ or RD 50 or even a 50cc Yamaha road bike?? Prolly a domestic market thing there's funny shit around that sort of stuff. But if we know the prefix we may be able to find something.

Those forks will be a piece of wees to pull apart. I've got some time in the weekend if you want a hand, all my surgical tools are with the Skunk but should be no hassle. Let me know.

[Slingshot]

Nah should be no problem. Can you get one out or read the size (if its on top of the seal) if so we'll track some quick smart. Or are you sure they're standard forks for the RZ and whats the frame prefix itr should be 3LY or something similar. I went to the Vesrah site http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/index_street_f.html but could'nt find a listing for RZ or RD 50 or even a 50cc Yamaha road bike?? Prolly a domestic market thing there's funny shit around that sort of stuff. But if we know the prefix we may be able to find something.

Those forks will be a piece of wees to pull apart. I've got some time in the weekend if you want a hand, all my surgical tools are with the Skunk but should be no hassle. Let me know.

I can't figure out how to get the dust caps off the top let alone getting the fork seals out. The frame number is 5R2-070936 and I'm pretty certain that the forks are standard.
I'll let you know about the weekend, I sure could use a hand.

Cheers

[ajturbo]

I've just been round the block on the bucket...and I've come to the conclusion that my forks are rooted.

They bottom out just by sitting on the bike (almost) and I think one of the fork seals is broken.

?

loose some weight ya fat basterd:sunny:

[Slingshot]

loose some weight ya fat basterd:sunny:

Or I could just put less fuel in the tank then have to push the bike back to the pits.

Save weight on fuel & get fit at the same time.

[Sully60]

Or I could just put less fuel in the tank then have to push the bike back to the pits.

Save weight on fuel & get fit at the same time.
No you don't not again, i'll be making sure you have fuel for every race!

Don't listen to him, if he thinks you're fat he's looking through his eyes the run way!
Quite a common occurance for painters I've heard.:bleh:
Mind you you could probably appear to be fat if always viewed from behind!

Hey I have obtained a master copy book of the all things forksealish we'll have your forks up to factory spec in no time!

[Slingshot]

Hey I have obtained a master copy book of the all things forksealish we'll have your forks up to factory spec in no time!

Sounds like the RZ50 is essentially the same as the RD80 with the only difference being the size of the barrel and head.

[gav]

So any of you lot interested in a GL145? Ivan, its still standard so you don't have to muck anything on it!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=58754

[Sully60]

Would I be correct in making the assumption that your forks 26mm diameter, the male staunchion?

If so the outer diameter of the seal would be 36 and it will be 10.5 thick.
You can pop the edge of the dust seal using a knife unless its one that goes right over the lip of the fork slider like a cap, ol skool styles.
They can be a prick to get out if the the steel part of the seal manages to get some galvanic action and welds itself into the slider. :argh:

Just be brutal if you have to, just don't use power tools and you'll be ok.;)

[Skunk]

Yeah...I can hold off until the build day...but there's more pressing work to be done there, I don't want to be the reason that Skunk's Queer Kawaka doesn't get finished.I'm not expecting to finish it - I'm just more motivated when I'm being watched... :mellow:

Well I finished machining the sprocket carrier for the ZXR125CB thing today. Just have to shorten the studs and she's all done.

sweet!Damn Sweet! The motor might fit now. :Punk:

[Slingshot]

Would I be correct in making the assumption that your forks 26mm diameter, the male staunchion?

If so the outer diameter of the seal would be 36 and it will be 10.5 thick.
You can pop the edge of the dust seal using a knife unless its one that goes right over the lip of the fork slider like a cap, ol skool styles.
They can be a prick to get out if the the steel part of the seal manages to get some galvanic action and welds itself into the slider. :argh:

Just be brutal if you have to, just don't use power tools and you'll be ok.;)

I just measured the circumference of the stanchion at calculated the diameter mathematically (must invest in verniers).

According to Pi, the diameter is 27mm.

Still can't get the dust cap off, might see if I can pull the forks off the bike and then have a proper play over the weekend.

[Buddha#81]

I'm not expecting to finish it - I'm just more motivated when I'm being watched... :mellow:

YUCK........ what you guys get up to is your own problem and should be kept to yourself.

[Skunk]

You're just jealous...

[Sully60]

Righty Ho!
Its time to see how many ponies my resent muster managed to round up during the many hours of standing at parts counters, skinning my fingers in the garage, slicing them making gaskets in the dining room and coughing out lungs crash starting with the kill switch off :doh:

Anyway tonight I'm gunna throw the thing on the dyno to see what ledsled can put out at the wheel.

Bling for the closest guess for the BASE run.

For those who dont know:
CB125T
Std Cam, Carbs (and jetting)
Boyer Brandsen Electronic ignition.
140cc big bore 47mm bore (41mm std stroke)
Two separate 27mm id headers 860mm long not tapered.

That should be enough info, results will be posted tonight along with some gossip about a rumor that may involve Ivan!

[Sketchy_Racer]

13hp!!............

[speedpro]

15.2hp . . . . . . . . .

[Slingshot]

16.8hp.....................

[Sketchy_Racer]

Jeez slingshot, you're optimistic!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Oh yeah, which dyno?

[ajturbo]

7 hp.....

and we already know about Ivan and the next door neighbours cat...:sick::sick:

[Slingshot]

Jeez slingshot, you're optimistic!

Someone has to be.

[Slingshot]

Is there a side-car class for bucket racing?

If so, this could be a winner:

[Slingshot]

I pulled one of the forks off tonight to see if I could figure out my bottoming-out issues.

Managed to get it off without any problems but had to take the plug thingy out of the top to slide the fork through the tipple clamp.
I thought I'd might as well drain out the oil and bounced the stanchion up and down a couple of times. It seems to have much more travel now.

So out comes the measuring tape...I measured from the top of the stanchion to the top of the fork leg when it was fully compressed...about 220mm. Then took the same measurement off the other fork which was still complete...measurement was 300mm i.e. there was about 80mm less travel on the fork that was still together.


So...what do I need to do to get these fuckers sorted???

[Ivan]

Yip me andSully 60 might be doing something we just in the middle of discussion

[quallman1234]

So any wanna find me a bucket i can buy?

[Sully60]

The results are in hot off the press people.

I suspect Mr Speedpro may have done this before see the graph below for results.

The red line was basically where we started and we ended up with the blue line. The two lighter more spaced out dotty lines are the torque with values on the right, these are really big numbers for a 140 twin but remember there's no correction for the low gearing.

We did a total of about 30 runs all up, these graphs best represent what we achieved. Although this doesnt have the very first run on it, the 15.2 number came up first, and most often over all the runs, so well done speedpro. :first:

So we didn't really make any big numbers (thanks though slingshot, oh and sketchy, you know I need more than 13 hp to haul me and the ledsled around that Slipway) The different runs produced some interesting numbers one run we managed 15.7 right at the top like the red line but higher at the end. Another run which was more like the blue line ran to 15 at the bump at about nine grand and waved around 15 all the way to the drop off about 11500. Both of these runs were the run before or after the consistant runs like the graph without any changes made. So it pays to be a little careful with how you interperet the figures.

Rode it up the street for a we test run and race launched it and boy it feels phat now!

But there's a long way to go as I have only just started to develop this engine.
Stay "tuned" for regular updates.

quallman1234 So any wanna find me a bucket i can buy?

Ive got a few bits n pieces we could cobble something together. You might have to fight Ivan for a twin motor, it would require a lot of work though, just the thing a young man like you needs!:niceone:

Aparently there's some interesting R&D involving high tech gp chassis technology going on in the quiet rural environs of the South Wairarapa. The shoehorn may be getting dusted off for some serious cubic inches in the engine department and the quiet country lanes will reverberate with the roar of a high revving parallel twin. Rumor has it there may be a challenge ready for the 2010 SCS bucket Championship with a view to making it down to the BoBTT in 2012.

Watch this space. But don't hold your breath.:msn-wink:

[quallman1234]

Sounds like fun :2thumbsup.
Although i dont have a great deal of knowledge but theres always time to start learning ;).

[Skunk]

So any wanna find me a bucket i can buy?
Why didn't you buy TeamCudbys one? http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=55696

[Ivan]

The results are in hot off the press people.

I suspect Mr Speedpro may have done this before see the graph below for results.

The red line was basically where we started and we ended up with the blue line. The two lighter more spaced out dotty lines are the torque with values on the right, these are really big numbers for a 140 twin but remember there's no correction for the low gearing.

We did a total of about 30 runs all up, these graphs best represent what we achieved. Although this doesnt have the very first run on it, the 15.2 number came up first, and most often over all the runs, so well done speedpro. :first:

So we didn't really make any big numbers (thanks though slingshot, oh and sketchy, you know I need more than 13 hp to haul me and the ledsled around that Slipway) The different runs produced some interesting numbers one run we managed 15.7 right at the top like the red line but higher at the end. Another run which was more like the blue line ran to 15 at the bump at about nine grand and waved around 15 all the way to the drop off about 11500. Both of these runs were the run before or after the consistant runs like the graph without any changes made. So it pays to be a little careful with how you interperet the figures.

Rode it up the street for a we test run and race launched it and boy it feels phat now!

But there's a long way to go as I have only just started to develop this engine.
Stay "tuned" for regular updates.

quallman1234 So any wanna find me a bucket i can buy?

Ive got a few bits n pieces we could cobble something together. You might have to fight Ivan for a twin motor, it would require a lot of work though, just the thing a young man like you needs!:niceone:

Aparently there's some interesting R&D involving high tech gp chassis technology going on in the quiet rural environs of the South Wairarapa. The shoehorn may be getting dusted off for some serious cubic inches in the engine department and the quiet country lanes will reverberate with the roar of a high revving parallel twin. Rumor has it there may be a challenge ready for the 2010 SCS bucket Championship with a view to making it down to the BoBTT in 2012.

Watch this space. But don't hold your breath.:msn-wink:


Lol the shoehorn had developed a good engine and was all in until you came along with another idea,

Now Im just waiting for a response from you young man

[speedpro]

I sold a FZR250 ignition to a mate who fitted it to his 125T. It immediately went from 12hp to 16hp so it was $50 well spent. All you need to trigger it is a little round thing bolted to the crank with a little sticky-outy bit, you need to take off the alternator rotor, and a little bracket to hold the trigger coil close to where the sticky-outy bit goes round, hook up a few wires to coils and battery. It was a while ago so I can't remember the exact details but we made absolutely no other changes but gained 4hp, plus it revved cleanly to whatever the mechanical bits would handle.

Lucky guess with the hp by the way.

[gav]

So any wanna find me a bucket i can buy?
Yeah, buy my one!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=58754
Faster than a standard CB125T !

[Slingshot]

Anyone know how much and what weight fork oil I should be using?

[Sully60]

Anyone know how much and what weight fork oil I should be using?

You really need the specs from the workshop manual and start from there.

The factory "setting" of forks for bikes like these aren't really cut out for the hard braking and cornering forces encountered in the swirling competitive world bucket racing.

But really with forks like that try 15 weight and start with something like a 125mm air gap (this is the distance between the oil and the top of the fork stanchion with the spring out and the slider at the top of its travel). The actual volume doesn't really matter just use this as a place to start and add or remove oil to make changes to suit .Making the gap smaller by adding oil will slow down the compression damping and conversly taking oil out will allow the forks to compress faster.
This is a simple but effective (read: cheap) way of tuning basic forks like those to some degree.

[Skunk]

I've had different advice... 5 weight and 105mm above the damper rod with the spring out. But I'd follow advise Sully's in this case.

Anyway - as he says: set it to a known value and work from there.

[Sully60]

I've had different advice... 5 weight and 105mm above the damper rod with the spring out. But I'd follow advise Sully's in this case.

Anyway - as he says: set it to a known value and work from there.

Would this be based on your forks with the emulators?

The thin oil works in this set up with the enlarged damper rod holes at the bottom and all the control done through the emulator shims. Forks like Slingshots rely on these holes being small but this offers limited control. Thicker oil will slow the rate the oil flows through these holes.

BTW: Slingshot have you sorted out seals yet?

[Ivan]

Would anyone mind if I come over If im not going to the trackday to the bucket building session?

Ill bring my boy Race car and hopefully fit a GP chassis in the back?

If its ok,

Ill let you know ok.

[Slingshot]

BTW: Slingshot have you sorted out seals yet?

I was thinking I might leave the fork seals alone at the moment, I think the issue is probably with the volume and weight of oil so might try and get that sussed first...plus I've now only got a week to get it sorted and back together.

[quallman1234]

Looks like i might have one by next weekend thanks to another kb member ;).

[Slingshot]

Looks like i might have one by next weekend thanks to another kb member ;).

Who?

What?

[quallman1234]

Hopefully your see.

No promises tho!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Don't do it kyle!

Just don't!!

[quallman1234]

Don't do it kyle!

Just don't!!

Ya reckon...
Why not?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Think about that one, very carefully....

[Ivan]

What who when huh?

Whats we got to think about lets all get involved?

[Skunk]

Would this be based on your forks with the emulators?

The thin oil works in this set up with the enlarged damper rod holes at the bottom and all the control done through the emulator shims. Forks like Slingshots rely on these holes being small but this offers limited control. Thicker oil will slow the rate the oil flows through these holes.

BTW: Slingshot have you sorted out seals yet?Yeah - good point. (Thanks Sully - I was trying lead Slingshot astray...)


Would anyone mind if I come over If im not going to the trackday to the bucket building session?

Ill bring my boy Race car and hopefully fit a GP chassis in the back?

If its ok,

Ill let you know ok.I won't be here Saturday either... Bucket building is Sunday and Monday (with time off for the GP at Kitty's)


I was thinking I might leave the fork seals alone at the moment, I think the issue is probably with the volume and weight of oil so might try and get that sussed first...plus I've now only got a week to get it sorted and back together.Pull finger - drag it round here and get extra hands on it...


What who when huh?

Whats we got to think about lets all get involved?Whaa?

[Slingshot]

Called into Richard's today and I picked up some fork seals that he thought might be the right size, got some fork oil too.

Skunk, what time are you in the shed tomorrow? I'll drop by and say hello.

[Ivan]

:woohoo: Took the CBR150 for a spin today oh shit its fast

[Skunk]

Called into Richard's today and I picked up some fork seals that he thought might be the right size, got some fork oil too.

Skunk, what time are you in the shed tomorrow? I'll drop by and say hello.
I'll be starting at 4:30am with the grinders and shit then from about 10am with the quiet stuff. Actually I'm going there now...

[Skunk]

:woohoo: Took the CBR150 for a spin today oh shit its fast
Is that the one you started bluiding at post #1? Or is that not going yet?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Think about that one Skunk!!!

The CBR is the tailand import that he was riding a while ago.

Notice that he hasn't fucked with that bike, and guess what... .. . IT STILL GOES!!

[gav]

Its a bucket, if you're not going to fuck around with it, whats the point?

[Sketchy_Racer]

In ivans case, it's still rideable!!

[Skunk]

In which case it can't be his if
1. it still goes,
2. it goes well,
3. it's still in one piece

Who's is it?

[Ivan]

Its Nathan Sargents,


He has givin it to me to use,


I did some work on it today built some plugs for the total loss igntion its good

[Slingshot]

So out comes the measuring tape...I measured from the top of the stanchion to the top of the fork leg when it was fully compressed...about 220mm. Then took the same measurement off the other fork which was still complete...measurement was 300mm i.e. there was about 80mm less travel on the fork that was still together.

I've now drained the oil on both of the forks and put 100mm back into each. When the stanchion is pushed into the fork leg as far as it will go there's a 95mm gap of air. Set the pre-load so that it's the same on both 27mm in from the top and the put the plug back on.

Each fork now compresses up so that there's 240mm between the top of the fork and the top of the fork leg so I've now got 60mm more travel then I had before.

Will be putting the forks back on the bike tomorrow and then will be able to road test it.

[Skunk]

Cher bro. Sounds good. Will we see you tomorrow? I've good a van of bike bits to assemble for Sketchy.

[Slingshot]

Cher bro. Sounds good. Will we see you tomorrow? I've good a van of bike bits to assemble for Sketchy.

Yeah, I'll probably swing round tomorrow afternoon. I've got to dig the vege garden tomorrow and get the lawns mowed first though.

You want me to text before I come?

[Skunk]

Nah, I'll be at it from 10ish till 5ish. Then into Kitty's for the MotoGP... Start again Monday.

[Slingshot]

How did you guys get on? Any completed buckets ready to race this weekend?

[Skunk]

First up a BIG thanks to Sully60 for building the CB125 engine three times (I think) supplying untold parts including pistons and barrels... Only just put the motor in.

Purple Death is not running yet - just a gear lever and front brakes and some front wheel bearings.

AJs GT125 needs a gear lever set-up and rear brakes...

So, no. None are going. We could have done with Ivans help.

[ajturbo]

had a great weekend trying to get the parts on the GT...

we managed to get the re0built engin in,... new foot pegs on...

then off.... then back on..
the brake one has only been off twice...

the gear one... well we finaly put it back on at 9.30pmish...

this will NOT be raced this weekend.. it will make an apearance... but not raced..

Christine and the rg will be raced... once i fix the flat...on the RG....... and the front brakes on christine:innocent:

thanks heaps for you assitance Skunk... it was really great!!!:Punk:

[Sully60]

First up a BIG thanks to Sully60 for building the CB125 engine three times (I think) supplying untold parts including pistons and barrels... Only just put the motor in.

Purple Death is not running yet - just a gear lever and front brakes and some front wheel bearings.

AJs GT125 needs a gear lever set-up and rear brakes...

So, no. None are going. We could have done with Ivans help.

Maybe it should only be medium sized thanks, you didn't ask me to not measure and test things out before just throwing it together and then having to pull it apart (yes three times). That's actually really wierd, if the guy you get it from said it was going, not like that it wouldn't(and definately not now!) It was actually quite theraputic on Sunday when Slingshot and I had the big steel drift and the big heavy hammer,and then you guys making that linkage yesterday. Any one listening to all the commotion coming out of that garage would expect a ship or tank to roll out sometime soon!:gob:
I'll try and get that other RG50 wheel back so we can try to use that, prolly the easiest solution.

[Skunk]

Yeah... I was concerned at the hammering going on inside my engine.

Engine is fully installed with carbs and throttles etc attached. Oil change/fill, lockwire sump plug and wire it up. Oh. And find/buy a six volt battery. (Can I run it on 12 volts if I change the coils?)

Waiting for AJ to turn up with his gear lever, so I haven't done anything to the GT.

Meanwhile 'Purple Death' waits in the corner...

[gav]

Any photos of progress?

[Skunk]

There will be on Sunday at the track...

I'll try and take some tomorrow night (assuming I get off work at a decent hour).

[Skunk]

Oil change/fill, lockwire sump plug and wire it up. Oh. And find/buy a six volt battery. (Can I run it on 12 volts if I change the coils?)

Meanwhile 'Purple Death' waits in the corner...
Oils done. So is the exhaust. Lock wired stuff.
Think I've worked out the wiring :scratch: who knows...
Put a 12 volt battery in at the moment but I need to check that out.

Time to get some fuel I guess.

Sorry Gav - forgot the photo's again.

[speedpro]

Oils done. So is the exhaust. Lock wired stuff.
Think I've worked out the wiring :scratch: who knows...
Put a 12 volt battery in at the moment but I need to check that out.

Time to get some fuel I guess.

Sorry Gav - forgot the photo's again.

I ran 18V into a 12V system to get enough spark to run lots of revs once. It was all good until I forgot to turn the ignition off - "pop".

[Skunk]

I ran 18V into a 12V system to get enough spark to run lots of revs once. It was all good until I forgot to turn the ignition off - "pop".
Muhaha! Sucker!

I'm going to resistor it down to 9 volts. Just need to sort the actual wires out.

[Skunk]

Lots of kicking, a bit of checking, some more kicking, a bit of checking... and repeat over and over.

Spark - check.
Fuel - check.
Compression - hmm, some.
Fire - negative. nope. nada.

Try again tomorrow. Nothing else to do; might as well get a strong right leg.

No Gav. No fucking photos again. Doh!

[Ivan]

have you checked the ignition timing isnt out?

[Skunk]

Sully set it, so it must be right!

Actually, I'm going to do that now but I'm sure it'll be right. There's no backfire or anything.

Well, it runs. But it doesn't go. Sully spent a good part of the day here fixing the valve that wouldn't close (reseated the lot). Then fixed the timing and then left me to move the cam chain one tooth to see if that would fix the flatness.

It didn't. :(

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hey peoples. check this out if ya wanna make the best bucket racer in the world! :p

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=60138

[Skunk]

Stop selling shit and do some work on ya bucket...

[Sully60]

:Police:Come on now Skunk, Sketchy's making a commiment to get th GP bike ready for the nationals.
Shouldn't we be supportive of the young :Punk: and get his bucket ready while he's concentrating on being a proper racer?

I'm ready for some more work if required, Ivan is talking to me again about yet another project but I don't think my consultations will lead to any real work.:msn-wink:

[Ivan]

It is....

Gonna Ummmmmmm


Craig dont be mean:dodge:

[Skunk]

:Police:Come on now Skunk, Sketchy's making a commiment to get th GP bike ready for the nationals.
Shouldn't we be supportive of the young :Punk: and get his bucket ready while he's concentrating on being a proper racer?
I've already asked him how much it is... I need to get wheel bearings to get his sled going. Plan to do the gear lever tomorrow.

Stripped down the CB125T again and checked it out. Timing on the cam appears to be one tooth out - I've corrected it and it starts better but haven't tested it properly. Another job for tomorrow. Oh. And AJ's bike.

And what's this 'proper' racer shit? We're all 'proper' racers ain't we?

[Sully60]

And what's this 'proper' racer shit? We're all 'proper' racers ain't we?

Yes we are Skunk, but unfortunately (for them) not everyone sees it that way.

[Ivan]

Yes we are Skunk, but unfortunately (for them) not everyone sees it that way.

I think myne and Sketchys bike are proper bikes:headbang:

Nout beats a "genuine" race bike:shifty::headbang: