It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

[Motu]

We aint that bad, hell, MDU and Smokin didnt shoot me. Not even a close call

I mean in a ''friendly fire'' kind of way - don't try and save me man,I'm pretty good at looking after myself.You can pull your gun out when I'm a long way away.You may think you are pretty good at shooting,but I don't trust you one fucking bit....let's be clear on that,I think you are a fucking nutcase with a gun,it's the society remember,and as a member of our society I want you disarmed and out of my life.

[Sniper]

I mean in a ''friendly fire'' kind of way - don't try and save me man,I'm pretty good at looking after myself.You can pull your gun out when I'm a long way away.You may think you are pretty good at shooting,but I don't trust you one fucking bit....let's be clear on that,I think you are a fucking nutcase with a gun,it's the society remember,and as a member of our society I want you disarmed and out of my life.

In all honesty, you can't argue with logic like that.

[ManDownUnder]

No need to bother with the "with respect" bit. I wasn't disputing the fact that it's people who kill people. My point (badly made I concede) is that guns make this task a shit load easier. But I don't believe that the means of execution should be discounted by glib cliche or other form of sloganeering. This is not a simplistic matter.

No - I think it is a simple matter. With discipline comes priviledge.

I don't think that people should be able/allowed to wander around (I was going to say aimlessly) armed to the fucking teeth with devices whose sole purpose is to kill. I find this offensive.

Agreed with what I believe you are saying but it needs to be further qualified.

If I am heading out to kill I need the tools. Rabbits don't volunteer themselves for mass execution, or do the job themselves. The humane thing is to have something extremely lethal and use it correctly.

That being said - people are not my targets, and only would be in the most extreme of circumstances. I was raised with a simple and very strictly enforced rule "Ooly point the gun at things you're willing to kill". I light of the comment I'm responding to, I'd hasten to add - if you have no intention to kill - you have no need to carry a gun.

[Paul in NZ]

LOL I'll respectfully address the salient points, and leave my Vicki abuse for a forum she can respond in.

Oh don't worry - shes on her way to sort you out. If you could just hold her Uzi while she fills the magazine though - one of her mates was low on ammo and she lent her some until payday but Barbara at the Mall got a deal on some bayonnets that she swapped for some other stuff so since Liz already owed Vicki a box of ammo she lent her a case of grenades which her husband said was almost the same thing but she didn't want them because they hardly use any grenades now the kids have left home and i think the expiry date is coming up. Personally I think she just wants to get rid of the grenades 'cos they make her arse look big....

That is EXACTLY the reason people need to go shooting. People do not know what a firearm can do until they have used one. That stunning percussion of a 12 Gauge going off in your hands leaves little to the imagination.

Poeple need to be taken hunting, shooting. They need to be there when something dies so they experience first hand the grisley reality of it. It's not a glorious thing, and anyone that seriously thinks it is well... I refer to Fish's commentary on those going power crazy and not being suitable for a car licence.

I grew up hunting - I'm comfortable and competent with guns and rifles but gave up and sold em once I realised i was not going hunting for a looonnnggg time to come... Vicki and I know what happens at the business end...

I know for me personally there are two types of people... those I am comfortable shooting with - and those I am not. There's not a lot of grey area in there. "Opps - fuck sorry... that was a bit close" tends to put people in the latter camp.

Actually there are a LOT of people I'm NOT comfortable with full stop. However at the very very top of the list are people with ready access to loaded and concealed firearms...

If people wanna play with that stuff there are always lots of wars going on and there are lots of people recruiting...

[Motu]

- if you have no intention to kill - you have no need to carry a gun.

And that is why the American society is so fucked....they are all carrying guns to kill people,no other reason.Self defense,not from a rabbit,but from humans.They are not protecting themselves from a corrupt government,but from their own citizens,they have turned their humans rights upon themselves.

[Paul in NZ]

And that is why the American society is so fucked....they are all carrying guns to kill people,no other reason.Self defense,not from a rabbit,but from humans.They are not protecting themselves from a corrupt government,but from their own citizens,they have turned their humans rights upon themselves.

That makes them inhuman rights...

[jrandom]

they are all carrying guns to kill people,no other reason.Self defense,not from a rabbit,but from humans.

Let's say, hypothetically, that I, a Bad Man, turn up at your house intent on raping the female family members, killing everybody and then nicking off with the DVD player. Let's say that I brought a gun.

Would you rather:

(a) meet me in the hallway with a gun of your own; or

(b) er... die?

[Hitcher]

No - I think it is a simple matter. With discipline comes priviledge.

Doesn't "priviledge" in this context need to be earned?

And the discipline at Virginia State University was where?

Agreed with what I believe you are saying but it needs to be further qualified.

If I am heading out to kill I need the tools. Rabbits don't volunteer themselves for mass execution, or do the job themselves. The humane thing is to have something extremely lethal and use it correctly.

That being said - people are not my targets, and only would be in the most extreme of circumstances. I was raised with a simple and very strictly enforced rule "Ooly point the gun at things you're willing to kill". I light of the comment I'm responding to, I'd hasten to add - if you have no intention to kill - you have no need to carry a gun.

I wasn't talking about bunny-botherers and their "rights" to bear arms. And you appear to have answered yourself anyway.

[ghost]

I don't think that people should be able/allowed to wander around (I was going to say aimlessly) armed to the fucking teeth with devices whose sole purpose is to kill. I find this offensive.

I find ignorance and intollerance offensive. I find peoples duality on devices designed to kill that arnt used to harm "humans", and devices that are designed to help but end up killing to be offensive. Thank fuck we live in a (so far) free society what we can do what we like within reason if it doesnt harm others or ourselves. If you want to be offended, go protest against alcohol, or suger, or pollution, fat........... the things that silently kill thousands of New Zealanders a year and leave the rest of us to our chosen hobbies, fishing, hunting, riding, shooting in peace.

[ghost]

Let's say, hypothetically, that I, a Bad Man, turn up at your house intent on raping the female family members, killing everybody and then nicking off with the DVD player. Let's say that I brought a gun.

Would you rather:

(a) meet me in the hallway with a gun of your own; or

(b) er... die?

No point trying to argue with these guys Fish. They dont think like you or me. They dont want (a) because guns are bad, and they dont want (b) because this will never happen to them, bad people will be sorted out by someone else, they want (c) I will use the iron bar by the front door and give them a good kicking.

Like I said, given a choice they dont think like you.

Boy scout moto "be prepared"

[Sniper]

Let's say, hypothetically, that I, a Bad Man, turn up at your house intent on raping the female family members, killing everybody and then nicking off with the DVD player. Let's say that I brought a gun.

Would you rather:

(a) meet me in the hallway with a gun of your own; or

(b) er... die?

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone coming into my house uninvited with wrongful motivation in mind is fair game, and will be dealt with in a manner of my choosing depending on circumstances. I fear no reprisal from police, I would hope for understanding which I know would be a long time coming.

Well said sir.

[SPman]

Actually, come to think of it, fuck moderation. I want an M2.

50 cal.?......mmmmmm yes, that would be fun.

Trouble with disarming the populace, is that whilst the general citizenry are disarmed, those who wouldnt normally use weapons, apart from sorting out certain neighbours occasionally, those who want arms, for use in nefarious circumstances, can quite easily obtain them! Then we're all at a disadvantage!

And then you've got the petty beauracrats dictating who can and can't have weapons......these killer losers have got it wrong - when your girlfriend cheats on you - go out and shoot a few fucking politicians and church leaders - just leave everybody else alone.......

[Mr Merde]

No point trying to argue with these guys Fish. They dont think like you or me. They dont want (a) because guns are bad, and they dont want (b) because this will never happen to them, bad people will be sorted out by someone else, they want (c) I will use the iron bar by the front door and give them a good kicking.

Like I said, given a choice they dont think like you.

Boy scout moto "be prepared"

Its got a lot to do with the rise of the politically correct brigade and the "nanny state".

We are not expected to look after ourselves nowadays as it may infringe upon someone elses right to self expression through the medium of violence.

The "nanny state" has decided that we arent to be trusted with looking out for ourselves and that it can do so for us via the medium of more police forces and legislation.

Together both these schools of thought have taken away a basic human right.

That of self preservation.

[SPman]

Too much death ,horror and destruction around these days, thanks, in part, to the USA.
This is much better news
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10434654

[ManDownUnder]

Doesn't "priviledge" in this context need to be earned?

Yes. Through the acquisition and demonstration of dissiplin

And the discipline at Virginia State University was where?

Missing.

I wasn't talking about bunny-botherers and their "rights" to bear arms.

You forgot to mention the right to form militias which IMHO is equally out of place now we have a paid Police force.

And you appear to have answered yourself anyway.

I do that more than I care to admit to myself