It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

[doc]

Back on topic for a change. Who cares about this school massacre really. It's in America it's what you would expect from them. Why do we have this preocupation with world news ? We even analaysed after 9/11 someone taking out the skytower. Its all very well commenting afterwards, we are always so much wiser. But who cares really.

[jrandom]

Python

Can't get those no more, unfortunately, unless you're willing to take a ratty old shot-out one, or import a second-hand minter at great expense.

Do you guys have built in holsters in your anoraks?

I prefer to wedge it in the waistband of my sweatpants.

[Grahameeboy]

Back on topic for a change. Who cares about this school massacre really. It's in America it's what you would expect from them. Why do we have this preocupation with world news ? We even analaysed after 9/11 someone taking out the skytower. Its all very well commenting afterwards, we are always so much wiser. But who cares really.

Nought wrong with feeling sad for the greaving families but you do have a point in a roundabout (boing said Zebedee) way.............sometimes we concern ourselves more with what goes on 6,000 kms away than we do with things that really concern us closer to home..............

On the other hand, I guess for travellers from NZ what goes on around the world is a concern.

[Timber020]

Are they? Do they have a safety?

Apart from your spelling, what's the difference? It is the OPERATOR of the item in question that matters. Why do people NEED automatic transmissions instead of manual ones? Why do you need a 750 instead of a 250cc bike? Personal choice is the answer.
The death rate of cages is not divided up into "did you use a manual or automatic transmission?". It is the person, the organic part of the situation, that is the problem.

Yep didnt think you could come up with a reason. Nice try with the 750 250 comparison, unfortunately its not much of a comparison. And due to the risk to self and others its illeagal to ride anything over 250ccs until you prove yourself responsible and competant, which makes them the equivalent of my arguement for people to be limited to revolvers. So thanks!

As for guns women can carry, a Smith and Wesson 340 holds 5 357 and weights only 350 grams, which is probably lighter and shorter than any 9mm auto you can find. Any other postive reasons to keep the autos?

[Hitcher]

Can't get those no more, unfortunately, unless you're willing to take a ratty old shot-out one, or import a second-hand minter at great expense.

Not that I'm into guns, but I once had the "pleasure" of offloading a few rounds through a work associate's 6" Python. He had a matched pair: full mirror-polished stainless finish with pearl grips. Almost too pretty to shoot. A real handful, and loud.

[Swoop]

Any other postive reasons to keep the autos?

They have several built-in safety devices (Grip, firing pin, trigger, decocker + H&K squeeze-grip). Revolvers have none.
Felt recoil can be better for smaller handed persons with an auto.
Sight radius is longer on an auto (full length of the slide) so potentially more accurate.
Interestingly enough, the reasons that I have pondered over regarding both types of handgun, firepower hasn't been part of the equasion. I tried to upload an mpeg to illustrate this, but KB didn't agree with filetype or size.
The auto is far flatter than the wheelgun, which can be an advantage at times when carrying.
Reliability is the major issue. The roundgun is better in that repect being far more basic. Rule #2 says that any gun must go bang.
Another point to the circular one: less snag points when drawing from the holster.
Further: reliability. Not having to ease springs in the mag regularly and actions jamming (who hasn't had a case ejection [stovepipe] failure at some stage?).

Would I have one? Yes, but ONLY as a backup though. Primary would be an auto because of felt recoil and it is my personal preference.

The only question is: How are all of the auto's going to be removed from the US society and not the revolvers?
The ammo point is mute since there are revolvers that shoot auto ammo, usually in half-moon clips.

I havent been duped by the anti gun lobby.

My comment was regarding the targeting of a specific class of gun.
In Australia the politicians went out after the semi's and the shotgunners were "well, it's ok so long as we are not affected".
Their tacit support then allowed further momentum to gather by the anti gun brigade. "Well, other shooters support this ban, so let's make things really safer and ban these other types as well..."
Divide and conquer.
A call to ban auto's will start a wedge being put into a crack.

[scumdog]

They have several built-in safety devices (Grip, firing pin, trigger, decocker + H&K squeeze-grip). Revolvers have none.
Further: reliability. Not having to ease springs in the mag regularly and actions jamming (who hasn't had a case ejection [stovepipe] failure at some stage?).

Glocks have NO manual safety, zip, nada, none.

Put in the mag, rack it, it's ready to go, it's a bang every time you grab it and squeaze the trigger, 17 times..

No Hammer
No Grip Safety.
No De-cocker
No Manual safety-catch.

Revolvers are the same only as long as there is ONE chamber loaded it will go bang eventually...

No mag
No broken extractor/ejector.
No 'stove-pipe'
No safety of ANY type.

[Swoop]

Glocks have NO manual safety, zip, nada, none.

Have you noticed that little lever that sticks out from the centre of the trigger?

[scumdog]

Have you noticed that little lever that sticks out from the centre of the trigger?

Frequently.

Have you noticed how hard it is to squeeze said tigger without touching it? let alone deperessing it??

Not what I call a 'real' safety.

[Swoop]

Frequently.

Have you noticed how hard it is to squeeze said tigger without touching it? let alone deperessing it??

Not what I call a 'real' safety.

What glock calls a "passive safety".
There is a retrofit kit that allows a thumb style safety to be fitted.

[scumdog]

What glock calls a "passive safety".
There is a retrofit kit that allows a thumb style safety to be fitted.

Safeties are for ill-controlled pussies.

I operate 'hot' as soon as the mag goes in - even when hunting.

I'll concede to 'half-open' bolt though.

[Timber020]

Smaller hands work best with revolvers as you can have a grip that perfectly fits your hand, your not holding onto a grip shaped around a clip. Thats mostly why the eagle is such a bitch to shoot, you need big hands to keep hold of it. they kick more but that often only requires practise to control.

Revolvers using auto ammo is rare. aside from .22's they would probably make up less than 1%. which means a eventual starving of 99% of autos if you make it an offence to sell or possess that ammo.

If I was to choose a c & c it would be a Browning BDM, I like autos, they are a fun bit of kit, but I also like grenades and find the idea of having a bloop gun amusing. But I understand that theres very good reasons for them not being available. Id like to have them, I could conjure up situations in which they would be needed but its really about want and any justification would be pretty shallow and would be ignoring the fact that ultimately alot of other people would suffer.

[scumdog]

I notice that most of America limits civilians to 10-shot mags now for their autos.
Another sop to the uneducated and to make them 'think' the politicians are doing something about the gun 'problem'.

[Finn]

Back on topic for a change. Who cares about this school massacre really. It's in America it's what you would expect from them. Why do we have this preocupation with world news ? We even analaysed after 9/11 someone taking out the skytower. Its all very well commenting afterwards, we are always so much wiser. But who cares really.

It's because nothing exciting ever happens in NZ. Ohhh, it's the beginning of winter and a snow blizard covers a South Island farm and some sheep die. Every fucken year without fail.

Do you realise that more people die each year from a savage attack by a anteater than school shootings? Do they get a mention?

[Mr Merde]

Surely fishing rods should now be banned as it has been widely known by the powers that be, that more people die each year partaking in the sport of fishing than in all the shooting sports.

In fact shouldnt baths, in bathrooms, be licenced as there are more drownings in such.