Unnecessary exhibition of speed or acceleration

[Waylander]

You really sound the rebel wanting more laws to keep us safe from ourselfs.

[scumdog]

Yup, all post crash - there ain't such a beast as an "accident" generally.

And NOBODY ever did anything that could lead to a crash - and admitted it pre-crash eh?

[cooneyr]

You really sound the rebel wanting more laws to keep us safe from ourselfs.

Yup, all post crash - there ain't such a beast as an "accident" generally.

And NOBODY ever did anything that could lead to a crash - and admitted it pre-crash eh?

Unfortunately natural selection can have unwanted consequences for others, hence sometimes we need to be protected from ourselves - pre-crash policing maybe?

Just a matter of targeting the policing appropriately which is what the govt would like to think it is doing with guidance from LTNZ crash statistics monitoring. I know people (say it with a mob accent ) whos job it is to analyse the crash database looking for patterns and trends. Problem is I think the govts own agenda sometimes gets in the way of the stats.

Cheers R

[swbarnett]

You really sound the rebel wanting more laws to keep us safe from ourselfs.

Who said anything about more laws? I actually said that we have more than enough without the speed limit laws.

[swbarnett]

Yup, all post crash - there ain't such a beast as an "accident" generally.

And NOBODY ever did anything that could lead to a crash - and admitted it pre-crash eh?

The important word here is "could" lead to a crash. Yes there is a risk. Just leaving your driveway involves risk. Who are you to say that what I'm doing, just based on speed alone, constitutes a risk worthy of retribution? Total safety is a myth.

[swbarnett]

Unfortunately natural selection can have unwanted consequences for others.

And this is the price we pay for freedom. I'd rather die in a motor accident tomorrow as the result of the abused freedom of others than live the next 60 years in a draconian society that claims to be "safe".

[swbarnett]

- pre-crash policing maybe?

I'm not saying that nobody should be ticketed pre-crash. I'm just trying to put the point that speed is never the sole determining factor in any crash.

[Waylander]

The important word here is "could" lead to a crash. Yes there is a risk. Just leaving your driveway involves risk. Who are you to say that what I'm doing, just based on speed alone, constitutes a risk worthy of retribution? Total safety is a myth.

What do you think all those air crash investigations lead to? More laws and safty regulations. Why would Automotive crash investigations lead to anything else?

[Patrick]

I'm just trying to put the point that speed is never the sole determining factor in any crash.

Never??? Pffftttt......

[swbarnett]

What do you think all those air crash investigations lead to? More laws and safty regulations. Why would Automotive crash investigations lead to anything else?

If the new laws are based on sound evidence that shows their value as a carnage prevention tool and don't result in an undue loss of freedom I'm all for them.

I saw a documentary recently that followed a multi-engined passenger jet as it was skillfully landed after losing all hydraulics using only engine power. It turns out that a similar incident that resulted in complete loss of the aircraft led to the creation of a computer that can fly the plane with engines only but the FAA deemed it too expensive to be worth installing due to the low likelihood of this type of incident. You have to weigh up the costs and benefits of any new law before imposing it on everybody.

[swbarnett]

Never??? Pffftttt......

This is basic physics.

Newton's first law: An object in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an external and unbalanced force.

Speed alone = constant motion.

Speed + opposing, unbalanced force (another vehicle perhaps) = sudden stop.

Therefore, speed alone cannot cause an accident. QED

[Waylander]

If the new laws are based on sound evidence that shows their value as a carnage prevention tool and don't result in an undue loss of freedom I'm all for them.

And what are the odds of that one? Given any governments past record do you really expect them to react to sound evidence or simply public reaction?

Here is an example for you. When it rains, car crashes happen quite often here (infact whenever we lose power at work during a rain storm the first thought it someone has hit a power pole) Ofcourse the blame is put on speed and not driving to the slippery conditions. Ignoring the speed lets take a look at the conditions. Water is slippery, when it's in a puddle it's worse. Why is it then that very few roads in this country have any sort of drainage to them?
Doesn't take a lot of effort to put a slight slope to the roads from the centre outwards so that water will run off the road to the side instead of just sitting there creating all sorts of hazards. OFcourse you hve to have somewhere for the water to go else it will just flood the road again if there is enough of it. But that wht sewers are for isn't it? I'm certain when I flush the toilet it goes somewhere. No reason why road drainage can't be joined into that.

But ofcourse instead of looking into that what does the government and roading NZ or whatever they call themselfs do? Air annoying tax money wasting comercials.

[spudchucka]

Therefore, speed alone cannot cause an accident. QED

But it flys in the face of common sense to suggest that you can have one without the other.

[swbarnett]

And what are the odds of that one? Given any governments past record do you really expect them to react to sound evidence or simply public reaction?

No, I don't expect it but there is always hope.

But it flys in the face of common sense to suggest that you can have one without the other.

You CAN have speed without a sudden stop. I do this every time I drive to work. The two combine to form an accident on extremely rare occasions when you consider how many kays are driven every day.

[Kwaka14]

Hmm, interesting. I guess it comes down to what defines "exhibition" and what actions actually constitute it. For example, does hooning off from the car beside you, which is full of 18yr old blondes count as showing off for an audience?

I'm guessing if a cop saw you then he'd probably qualify as an audience therefore witnessed you exhibiting uneccesarily...