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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    You said "...he was still faster than Rossi."

    This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.
    And again - FFS..................

    When he wins it's the 'great bike'.

    When he doesn't he's a piss poor rider
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    You said "...he was still faster than Rossi."

    This morning he was not only slower than Rossi, but Pedrosa as well and he admitted that he couldn't of held of Gorgeous George much longer.
    Yep. And it was a massive improvement on any of his previous showings at Jerez. And seeing as he blew Rossi and everyone else away at Qatar...I'm still struggling to see your argument? I for one and impressed that Stoner seems to have realized it's better to finish and get points if you can't win rather than bin it. There's quite a few tracks coming up that he'll go well at. And considering you and others all said something along the lines of "Anyone would think Stoners won the championship already"...look who's talking like that now?

    It's for sure gonna be a great season...and I stand by my original thoughts. Stoner will win it this year. If Stoner doesn't win it...you'll be right and I'll congratulate you. If he does I'm sure you'll be man enough to do likewise!

    Enjoy the racing!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Yep. And it was a massive improvement on any of his previous showings at Jerez. And seeing as he blew Rossi and everyone else away at Qatar...I'm still struggling to see your argument? I for one and impressed that Stoner seems to have realized it's better to finish and get points if you can't win rather than bin it. There's quite a few tracks coming up that he'll go well at. And considering you and others all said something along the lines of "Anyone would think Stoners won the championship already"...look who's talking like that now?

    It's for sure gonna be a great season...and I stand by my original thoughts. Stoner will win it this year. If Stoner doesn't win it...you'll be right and I'll congratulate you. If he does I'm sure you'll be man enough to do likewise!

    Enjoy the racing!!!

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    Your original comments don't make sense.

    If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Your original comments don't make sense.

    If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.
    Why not? Is English not your first language?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Why not? Is English not your first language?
    English?
    Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

    So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    English?
    Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

    So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?
    English. Good...you do understand then! So then...you saying that because Rossi is ahead of Stoner after three rounds he's faster than Stoner yeah? I'm saying that he's not...that Stoner is a faster racer than Rossi...and will also beat him to the title this year. It was you that said in the early posts that I was counting my chickens prematurely wannit? That it was only pre season testing etc??? Well are you not now doing the same after three rounds?

    So you see...I still stand by my thoughts that Stoner is faster than Rossi. As I also said...I'll be big enough to admit I got it wrong and congratulate you if I am. 14 rounds to go I believe?

    Bring it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    English?
    Why yes, it is - thank you for asking.

    So in what language would "..still the faster rider." be true, then?
    FFS If English is in fact your first language - logic does not feature in your list of faculties.

    It is not down to the guy (or guys) himself. As I have sought to address - it's not a fucking running race - there's a machine in the equation.

    That's why they say "We won".

    Think about it.......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by denill View Post
    FFS If English is in fact your first language - logic does not feature in your list of faculties.

    It is not down to the guy (or guys) himself. As I have sought to address - it's not a fucking running race - there's a machine in the equation.

    That's why they say "We won".

    Think about it.......................
    Nuthin' wrong with my logic.
    That's not my comment.

    It's from the start of this thread, where Mr. Crasher says Stoner is still the faster rider. As you say this makes no sense at all because the only way to prove it would be to have them swap bikes on a variety of tracks under a variety of conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    English. Good...you do understand then! So then...you saying that because Rossi is ahead of Stoner after three rounds he's faster than Stoner yeah? I'm saying that he's not...that Stoner is a faster racer than Rossi...and will also beat him to the title this year. It was you that said in the early posts that I was counting my chickens prematurely wannit? That it was only pre season testing etc??? Well are you not now doing the same after three rounds?

    So you see...I still stand by my thoughts that Stoner is faster than Rossi. As I also said...I'll be big enough to admit I got it wrong and congratulate you if I am. 14 rounds to go I believe?

    Bring it on.
    Has Rossi ever ridden a Ducati?
    Stoner a Yamaha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Has Rossi ever ridden a Ducati?
    Stoner a Yamaha?
    Who cares? It would seem that the Yamaha is a shitload easier to ride and more than likely a better all round package.

    As you can see for yourself...no one but Stoner can ride the Ducati fast.

    I have no doubt Stoner could ride the Yamaha quickly...hell everyone can. But could Rossi ride the Ducati? We'll never know.

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    It's going to be a hard task to remove all changing variables to normalise a riders performance against a binary template for an unbiased evaluation of their ability to go around a race track to be carried out.

    The infinite amount of continuous changing variables during a session on a motoGP bike suggests that riding fast is a matter of how well an individual adopts to an ever evolving local environment.

    There are no doubt deeper philosophical aspects as well involved.

    I personally never go deeper with my thoughts on the matter than the bottom of the Sunday night's popcorn bowl, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

    Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

    You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??
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    Do they give out a trophy for practice times?
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    Your original comments don't make sense.

    If he was still the faster rider, he'd be leading the points race.
    It would appear to me...revisiting my first post...that I never claimed he'd won the title?? Do they hand out trophys for being in front after three rounds though mate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by denill View Post
    And again - FFS..................

    When he wins it's the 'great bike'.

    When he doesn't he's a piss poor rider
    I'me coming around to the idea that this young whipa-snappa from Aussie can ride a bit.............. :-) , But are the personality issues i keep hearing true Denill ? , & is this undermining some support ?

    The "Old-Dog" tricks of Rossi will run out eventually aye, His on camera & PR skills hold him in good stead in the public & journos eyes as well.

    May they both fight it out "man to man" on the track & may we all get to enjoy !
    Glen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    Who cares? It would seem that the Yamaha is a shitload easier to ride and more than likely a better all round package.

    As you can see for yourself...no one but Stoner can ride the Ducati fast.

    I have no doubt Stoner could ride the Yamaha quickly...hell everyone can. But could Rossi ride the Ducati? We'll never know.
    No one can ride the DUcati but Stoner?
    I seem to recall other riders winning on it.

    You've actually proved my point - until we see Rossi su Rossi (Rossi on Red) you can't say Stoner is the fastest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback View Post
    It would appear to me...revisiting my first post...that I never claimed he'd won the title?? Do they hand out trophys for being in front after three rounds though mate?
    Nowt to do with the title.
    It's to do with the use of the word "fastest".

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