Here's one for all you back room lawyers

[Laxi]

Remind me, which part of your personality isn't a tool?

haha that would actually be pretty funny, if it hadn't come from katman

[Varkp]

I have had occasions where the bank have asked for my licence, I always refuse to hand it over. They say they need photo ID, a licence or passport will do. i tell them I have neither & they have to accept it. A drivers licence is for driving, not for biking, banking or flying. On a bike I would also refuse to show my drivers licence.

Wait till some Nigerian/Russian/Malaysian scam artist cleans out you bank account, see how quickly you then insist that the bank asked and verified photo ID's, hell why not just go for DNA verification aswell.

[CookMySock]

Why the bank doesn't use 2048bit DSA keys or similar, baffles hell outa me.

Steve

[Swoop]

Dispute the ticket and lodge a complaint with the Police Whitewash Authority.

I would not advise this. The "independant" PCA will always rule in favour of the tax collection department and so (in effect) make this a requirement under law.

Bollocks! What a load of bollocks. To compare a road rage attack against a cop asking for a licence is ridiculous - even for you.

NOTHING is too ridiculous for DB.

[sharknet]

Thats quite interesting. I got a question for you though, (way off topic) How does it work with a Bar asking you for a license as ID? assuming you have no passport or 18 plus card? (having said that you did say there is NO legal photo ID document in NZ, so...)
Yeah so just wondering why bars only accept "photo ID", When I was on the door (2 years, head doorman" it was made clear to us "by the company we worked for" that the ONLY acceptable ID for entry was a License (NZ only) or a Passport, or a HANZ 18+ card. and that if they didnt produce one of the three, no entry. So how does that all work?
Having said that the bar was "private property" and we didnt have to give a reason for refusing entry anyway.
Would just be interested in your thoughts on all that?

I think the point is that the only people who can LEGALLY ask for and expect to be shown a drivers licence are:

1. A police officer in relation to a traffic incident involving a motor vehicle, and,
2. A drivers licencing agency (LTSA for example) regarding the issue or replacement of a licence.

Bars ask, but have no legal right to do so, however they CAN refuse right of entry.

Basically you are not legally required to provide or carry ID in NZ.

[MarkH]

Wait till some Nigerian/Russian/Malaysian scam artist cleans out you bank account, see how quickly you then insist that the bank asked and verified photo ID's, hell why not just go for DNA verification aswell.

There is this girl that works as a teller at my local bank branch, if she could take me somewhere private I would be willing to give her a DNA sample.

[MarkH]

I think the point is that the only people who can LEGALLY ask for and expect to be shown a drivers licence are:

Bars ask, but have no legal right to do so, however they CAN refuse right of entry.

Basically you are not legally required to provide or carry ID in NZ.

That is 100% true - you don't have to show the bar staff photo ID and they don't have to serve you or let you remain on their premises.

[PrincessBandit]

There is this girl that works as a teller at my local bank branch, if she could take me somewhere private I would be willing to give her a DNA sample.

What an accommodating man you are! nudge nudge

[jrandom]

You're on a pushbike. Say you've got no ID and give them a pile of bullshit.

Can one, having been asked to identify oneself while not in charge of a motor vehicle, then be arrested if the cop suspects that the details provided are false?

If so, I'd be leery of taking the above approach.

[peasea]

Can one, having been asked to identify oneself while not in charge of a motor vehicle, then be arrested if the cop suspects that the details provided are false?

If so, I'd be leery of taking the above approach.

Actually, I'll take that back.

Get a gun and shoot the fuck. Far cleaner; you don't get any false testimony from the filth that way. Well, not the dead one anyway........

[FJRider]

As I understand, a drivers licence must be produced if asked for by a Police Officer, 'In the execution of his duties". Failure to do this is "Impeding an Officer of the law in the execution of his duties". If you have one, when asked for... it must be produced. Giving false information is also an offence (denying you have one, when you do) and is/can be taken rather seriously in the Law enforcement dept.
Regardless of the mode of transport you were using when questioned.

[CookMySock]

As I understand, a drivers licence must be produced if asked for by a Police Officer, 'In the execution of his duties". Failure to do this is "Impeding an Officer of the law in the execution of his duties". If you have one, when asked for... it must be produced.

Not quite. They may ask you to produce your photo drivers license, and if you are unable, or refuse, they can fine you for it. I have never been fined for failing to produce my license - normally they just frown and proceed with their next question.

Giving false information is also an offence (denying you have one, when you do) and is/can be taken rather seriously in the Law enforcement dept. Regardless of the mode of transport you were using when questioned.

Not quite. If the officer asks your name, address, (and I think your birthdate) you MUST supply it. If you do not supply it, or you falsify these details, this is an offence and they can and usually will immediately process you for it.

Other than that, you may offer a sullen "dunno" or look at him and blink, or else lie your face off. You are just offering your opinion, and this is not against the law.

IMO, YMMV, BIOYOH
Steve

[Jantar]

As I understand, a drivers licence must be produced if asked for by a Police Officer, 'In the execution of his duties". Failure to do this is "Impeding an Officer of the law in the execution of his duties". If you have one, when asked for... it must be produced. .....

A drivers licence must be produced on request of a police officer if you are in charge of, or driving a motor vehicle. Not at any other time. However a police officer may detain you for the porpose of establishing your identity, and if you did happen to have a drivers licence on you, that would be a quick and certain way of proving who you are.

If a police officer demands to see your driver's licence for any reason not related to driving then he really needs a search warrant. personally, I'd rather show a licence to prove who I am than be detained while he uses "other" methods.

[Ixion]

Can one, having been asked to identify oneself while not in charge of a motor vehicle, then be arrested if the cop suspects that the details provided are false?

If so, I'd be leery of taking the above approach.

Yes. providing false details is an offence in any circumstances. But you are only required to produce a drivers licence if driving or in charge of a motor vehicle (or for some MoT administrative purposes)

[CookMySock]

However a police officer may detain you for the porpose of establishing your identity

I wouldn't have worded it that way. A police officer may stop you long enough to establish your identity, and that means answering his questions to that effect, or offering the information yourself, but after that they need further reasons to hold you. Perhaps they have a good reason to believe that you are lying about your identity, or would like to search your vehicle under the misuse of drugs act, or some other reason, so there are valid and legal reasons to detain you.

But "wait here while I go check this" is not a valid and legal reason to detain you. They must explain to you under what section of the law you are being detained, and if they do not then you should ask them "am I being detained?" and "under what section of the law am I being detained", and if you do not receive a concise reply quite likely you are well within your rights to ride off.

Also if you handed your license to the officer and he has copied your details from it, you are well within your rights to ask him "please hand me my license". If he offers you some reason why not, you may ask him "Am I forbidden to drive?", or "are you confiscating my license?", and if the answer is no, then you should repeat your request, "please hand me my license" and he must do so. If he does not, then point to the number on his sleeve and ask "is this your officer number? You will hand me my drivers license immediately."

If the pigs go into "we're not mucking around mode", then so should you.

Steve