Three cops shot - 1 dead (Napier, 7 May)

[Bonez]

I can assure you they're found in every town and city in the country....

And KB..................

[ducatilover]

This thread is a crack up, first up was the discussion on what had happened, then came the discussion as to how it should happen and now comes the discussion on what should of happened.............however none of you where there know anything about anything apart from what the media has said, ie you dont know anything and some of you are actually on a fucking high horse preaching your thoughts lol.

move on ........................

Burnt bagel mate?

[Quasievil]

Were you there?

Nah But my Brothers mates cousins father was in the army once and he told him all about it and then told me all about it, Im so in the loop.

[SARGE]

Correction noted and made (not quite sure of the difference , but). Ranger, not Marine

USMC is a self sufficient rapid deployment force.. we have our own Infantry, heavy weapons, armor, air force and our own dedicated ships in the US Naval fleet, including submarines and Fast Attack ships. we also have our own logistics division within the battallion.

we can be deployed anywhere, any time, within 24 hours WITHOUT the need for the president to inform anyone.

the US Army Rangers are a job specialization.. they do not have an air, armor or naval contingent ( although they can be inserted via amphibious assault/ landing and can call in air/ armor/ heavy weapons support).. the president must inform Congress BEFORE he can deploy them ( or any Army/ Air Force/ Naval group)


US Marines can specialize and become Marine Rangers, but to become a Marine, you must go through the boot camp/ training..

US Marines can swap services ( to Army/ Air Force/ Navy) without the need to do Boot Camp. any services wishing to swap to the USMC must go through the USMC Boot Camp.




and Marines have cooler uniforms

[Ixion]

So the Rangers is nothing to do with Yogi Bear then ? One lives and learns.

How did the Marines get the Congressional non-approval thing?

[HenryDorsetCase]

USMC is a self sufficient rapid deployment force.. we have our own Infantry, heavy weapons, armor, air force and our own dedicated ships in the US Naval fleet, including submarines and Fast Attack ships. we also have our own logistics division within the battallion.

we can be deployed anywhere, any time, within 24 hours WITHOUT the need for the president to inform anyone.

the US Army Rangers are a job specialization.. they do not have an air, armor or naval contingent ( although they can be inserted via amphibious assault/ landing and can call in air/ armor/ heavy weapons support).. the president must inform Congress BEFORE he can deploy them ( or any Army/ Air Force/ Naval group)


US Marines can specialize and become Marine Rangers, but to become a Marine, you must go through the boot camp/ training..

US Marines can swap services ( to Army/ Air Force/ Navy) without the need to do Boot Camp. any services wishing to swap to the USMC must go through the USMC Boot Camp.




and Marines have cooler uniforms

I've done a bit of reading around this subject over the years and it seems to me that that the USMC/Navy model is the perfect model for the NZDF: I dont think we need three separate and to an extent competing bureaucracies with their hands in the cookie jar for limited resources. That USMC integrated foce model of is a really good one. As a very small nation stuck waaaaay out here in the pacific, it seems to me that Navy/Marines need to be the focus.

An interesting factoid I found out is that the USMC go back to 1775: much longer than I had thought.

Plus there is that USMC reputation for being double hard bastards.

[peasea]

32 pages of yawn.

[SARGE]

I've done a bit of reading around this subject over the years and it seems to me that that the USMC/Navy model is the perfect model for the NZDF: I dont think we need three separate and to an extent competing bureaucracies with their hands in the cookie jar for limited resources. That USMC integrated foce model of is a really good one. As a very small nation stuck waaaaay out here in the pacific, it seems to me that Navy/Marines need to be the focus.

An interesting factoid I found out is that the USMC go back to 1775: much longer than I had thought.

Plus there is that USMC reputation for being double hard bastards.

Land, Sea, Air man .. first in, last out ..

but in NZ .. all ya really need is Humanitarian aid , Coastal Defense and S&R..a few SAS-type teams for the C/T roles and hostage rescue situations


coastal defense you can sort out with a few USCG patrol boats/ Cutters and some Exocet missile systems .. Humanitarian Aid ya need a few of the new C117's like they had at the air show and maybe a couple big choppers


get the SAS to train the cops for national defense and its sorted ...


oh .. and give the cops guns ...and bullet proof vests ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

oh .. and give the cops guns ...and bullet proof vests ...

I agree with this entirely: Sidearm and ballistic vests, PROVIDED they get the training, and retraining, to use them properly. And shotguns (one per car).

Also, decriminalise marijuana, and assume that ANY drug related call will devolve into this scenario, send in properly equipped, properly armed people.

Jesus Christ, do our police senior officers not watch "Cops" FFS!

I mean I'm this fat balding middle aged specky twat, but if a policeman was to say to me "SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! GET ON THE GROUND! DO IT NOW OR I WILL TASE YOU" then instead of being lippy, and no matter how innocent I was (and am) you bet your ass I am getting on the ground....

I digress..

[Swoop]

I've done a bit of reading around this subject over the years and it seems to me that that the USMC/Navy model is the perfect model for the NZDF.

I suggested this in a room full of fishheads once. Talk about bitch and moan!
The three services have their traditions to uphold...
Stick them in one uniform and cut down on the BS.

[scumdog]

I mean I'm this fat balding middle aged specky twat, but if a policeman was to say to me "SHOW ME YOUR HANDS! GET ON THE GROUND! DO IT NOW OR I WILL TASE YOU" then instead of being lippy, and no matter how innocent I was (and am) you bet your ass I am getting on the ground....

I digress..

I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.

No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.

In fact NOBODY said that to them.

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I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.

No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.

In fact NOBODY said that to them.

Rodney King probably didn't either

[peasea]

I noticed that in the States while out with the cops.

No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.

In fact NOBODY said that to them.

Perhaps the kids on the corner need some literacy training.........

[short-circuit]

No slack-jawed, mouth-breathing gobby pimple-faced backwards-hat-wearing oik said "piss off ya fucken' pig" to them over there.

In fact NOBODY said that to them.

We all know what people are thinking though eh?

[scumdog]

We all know what people are thinking though eh?

Sheesh - ya wanna know what the COP was thinking????