Who gives way to whom?

[Pixie]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

Which car is actually crossing a centre line? THE RED CAR

The blue car does not have to give way.

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

The blue car is following the path of the centre line and no stretch of the imagination could show that it is turning.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

Which will make you no better than the asian drivers some of you deride.

[steve_t]

It's like when a car is turning right out of a carpark while someone else is turning right to go into it. The car entering the carpark technically should give way to the car exiting... but does it ever happen? Hardly ever!!

[Ragingrob]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

Which car is actually crossing a centre line? THE RED CAR

The blue car does not have to give way.

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

The blue car is following the path of the centre line and no stretch of the imagination could show that it is turning.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

Which will make you no better than the asian drivers some of you deride.

The path of the centre line is going around the corner, the blue car is going "straight" to the left of the picture, therefore turning off the centre line.

Take a good look at the picture and explanation before you start calling people wankers when you're in the wrong.

Or do I just have a really good imagination hahaha!

[Max Preload]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

You got that right. Go hand your licence in.

So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

No - the person causing the rear-ender is the person following.

[Skyryder]

No wonder our road toll is what it is - kiwis wouldn't have a clue.

Which car is actually crossing a centre line? THE RED CAR

The blue car does not have to give way.

"If you are leaving the path of a marked centre line, you are turning. You must give way to vehicles that are following the centre line"

The blue car is following the path of the centre line and no stretch of the imagination could show that it is turning.


So all you wankers that think the blue car should give way will probably hit the brakes and cause a rear ender.

Which will make you no better than the asian drivers some of you deride.

Sorry ol' son but you are wrong. Both cars are leaving the path of the centre line
The blue car is leaving the main road and as an aside should be using its indicators as it is 'deemed' to be turning. As it is 'turning' left it gives way to the right. It's one example of our dumb law on the right hand rule. Common sense does not apply. Under the old right hand rule where left turning vehicles had the right of way red would have to give way to blue which is the sensible solution.


There is another anomaly with the give way rule where you are going straight ahead, still staying on the same road yet deemed to be turning left.

This is in Christchurch where you are traveling along Lake Terrace Road the centre line swings to the right and enters Burwood Rd. However by going straight ahead and still staying on Lake Terrace Rd b y leaving the centre line you are deemed to be turning although in this case you still stay on Lake Terrace Rd.

If I knew how to post up the google map I'd post the pic. For those interested google Christchurch Lake Terrace or Burwood Rd press the + button to zoom in as far as you can go and a pic of the intgersection will come up.



Skyryder

[pzkpfw]

No - the person causing the rear-ender is the person following.

Touche!



(Just to clarify: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch%C3%A9 )

[Peril]

Sorry ol' son but you are wrong. Both cars are leaving the path of the centre line
The blue car is leaving the main road and as an aside should be using its indicators as it is 'deemed' to be turning. As it is 'turning' left it gives way to the right. It's one example of our dumb law on the right hand rule. Common sense does not apply. Under the old right hand rule where left turning vehicles had the right of way red would have to give way to blue which is the sensible solution.


There is another anomaly with the give way rule where you are going straight ahead, still staying on the same road yet deemed to be turning left.

This is in Christchurch where you are traveling along Lake Terrace Road the centre line swings to the right and enters Burwood Rd. However by going straight ahead and still staying on Lake Terrace Rd b y leaving the centre line you are deemed to be turning although in this case you still stay on Lake Terrace Rd.

If I knew how to post up the google map I'd post the pic. For those interested google Christchurch Lake Terrace or Burwood Rd press the + button to zoom in as far as you can go and a pic of the intgersection will come up.



Skyryder

Map didn't work properly,ended up showing Mairehau Road for some reason.
They have tweaked that road though by putting the island there to make you veer round it in turn making it a slight left hand bend/deviation rather than what the original pic is of a car going straight through.Same purpose mind you though.

[Skyryder]

Map didn't work properly,ended up showing Mairehau Road for some reason.
They have tweaked that road though by putting the island there to make you veer round it in turn making it a slight left hand bend/deviation rather than what the original pic is of a car going straight through.Same purpose mind you though.

I use to do a school bus run through there a few years back. One morning a cop car was making a right hand turn from Burwood Rd into Lake Terrace Rd. I kept driving straight through thinking I had the right of way. The next moment I heard the siren thinking that the cop was going to pass me and I heard the call to pull up. He was very nice about but told me I should have given way.



Skyryder

[McJim]

UK rules - red car TURNING RIGHT gives way to anything else
Kiwi rules - ???????? (but if red car is bigger than blue car......)

There are some very strange priority rules in New Zealand that have been credited by the AA and other notable driving authorities as being the cause of most accidents at intersections in New Zealand. If you are travelling along a road and are turning left you must allow right turning traffic (yes, those crossing your lane!) to turn right. The reason for this apparently is that New Zealanders, whilst affable individuals in the pub or on mountains or on the beach turn in to greedy homocidal maniacs when in charge of a motor vehicle. Y'know how we let people out into the flow of traffic or allow people entering a motorway to merge? That simply does not happen here. This complete lack of courtesy, whilst alien to 99% of the world's population is completely normal here.
The powers that be don't think anyone would be able to turn right without a stupid give way law designed for an Australian Tram infested city.
Incidentally the tram infesteed Aussies saw the error of their ways and repealed the law halving their accident rate overnight. Kiwis would rather be wrong and stick to their guns that do a policy U turn and be correct.
It's quite embarrassing actually.

[steve_t]

There are some very strange priority rules in New Zealand that have been credited by the AA and other notable driving authorities as being the cause of most accidents at intersections in New Zealand. If you are travelling along a road and are turning left you must allow right turning traffic (yes, those crossing your lane!) to turn right. The reason for this apparently is that New Zealanders, whilst affable individuals in the pub or on mountains or on the beach turn in to greedy homocidal maniacs when in charge of a motor vehicle. Y'know how we let people out into the flow of traffic or allow people entering a motorway to merge? That simply does not happen here. This complete lack of courtesy, whilst alien to 99% of the world's population is completely normal here.
The powers that be don't think anyone would be able to turn right without a stupid give way law designed for an Australian Tram infested city.
Incidentally the tram infesteed Aussies saw the error of their ways and repealed the law halving their accident rate overnight. Kiwis would rather be wrong and stick to their guns that do a policy U turn and be correct.
It's quite embarrassing actually.

Yeah, they should change it so we're the same as the rest of the world. There might be a few accidents initially but a massive advertising campaign should be quite effective and we'd soon reduce our problems at intersections. As for merging like a zip, don't get me started!!

[marty]

There are some very strange priority rules in New Zealand that have been credited by the AA and other notable driving authorities as being the cause of most accidents at intersections in New Zealand. If you are travelling along a road and are turning left you must allow right turning traffic (yes, those crossing your lane!) to turn right. The reason for this apparently is that New Zealanders, whilst affable individuals in the pub or on mountains or on the beach turn in to greedy homocidal maniacs when in charge of a motor vehicle. Y'know how we let people out into the flow of traffic or allow people entering a motorway to merge? That simply does not happen here. This complete lack of courtesy, whilst alien to 99% of the world's population is completely normal here.
The powers that be don't think anyone would be able to turn right without a stupid give way law designed for an Australian Tram infested city.
Incidentally the tram infesteed Aussies saw the error of their ways and repealed the law halving their accident rate overnight. Kiwis would rather be wrong and stick to their guns that do a policy U turn and be correct.
It's quite embarrassing actually.

it's not the rule thaty causes the crash - it's the lack of training/understanding of it.

i shat myself in melbourne first time i was in a taxi and hook turned out of Elizabeth St into LaTrobe St. if you have never seen/done this, it is something else! training and understanding turn what looks like a dangerous move into something pretty effective.

[Ixion]

And here is exactly the same situation in a context where right turn gives way. Guess what, the effect is the same. Blue car has to give way (right turn gives way , remember), even though he is "going straight ahead". The only people that have problems with the give way rule are those who should not be driving in the first place, or Poms who insist that everything must be exactly the same as it was back in dear old Blighty.

[Badjelly]

If there is a continuous white line painted on the road (and I am not sure but I thnk it must be continous, solid, not dashed - all I have seen thus have been solid), then that has special significance.

The solid versus dashed distinction is a new one to me. Must look at the Road Code

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/abo...rsections.html

The term it uses is "marked centre line" and the picture they use to illustrate it shows a dashed line. So dashed vs solid is irrelevant.

You know, some people say, "The only people that have problems with the give way rule are those who should not be driving in the first place." Not that I agree with this, mind you.

[MarkH]

Your blue car doesn't have its' left indicator on.

So red car will give way, thinking blue might be following the centre line and bearing right.

But blue won't turn, and will think red is "giving way" and go physically straight (a left turn off the road).

So they'll all carry on blissfully unaware of the rules.

I agree with this - the blue car will shoot straight through and the red car will give way. This is logical and sensible and is the right thing to do. The only time there will be a problem is when the red car is a cop car, other than that it will work fine every time. Generally the blue car will be fine 99+% of the time and get a warning for failing to indicate less than 1% of the time. The driver of the red car would have to be an idiot to turn in front of the non indicating blue car.

I use to do a school bus run through there a few years back. One morning a cop car was making a right hand turn from Burwood Rd into Lake Terrace Rd. I kept driving straight through thinking I had the right of way. The next moment I heard the siren thinking that the cop was going to pass me and I heard the call to pull up. He was very nice about but told me I should have given way.

Yep - now and then the vehicle in the position of the blue car will get a warning, otherwise life goes on without incident.

[Ragingrob]

I agree with this - the blue car will shoot straight through and the red car will give way. This is logical and sensible and is the right thing to do. The only time there will be a problem is when the red car is a cop car, other than that it will work fine every time. Generally the blue car will be fine 99+% of the time and get a warning for failing to indicate less than 1% of the time. The driver of the red car would have to be an idiot to turn in front of the non indicating blue car.



Yep - now and then the vehicle in the position of the blue car will get a warning, otherwise life goes on without incident.

The main reason I've had concerns about this intersection is not when both cars are right at the corner, of course you'd pretty much have to give way if you're the red car as you probably wont even be able to see their left indicator and they could be coming around the corner.

The other day I was the red car coming up to turn right, there was nothing directly to my left but as I turned right a SUV was coming straight through (from the right of picture to the left) at a good 80kph or so and I had to gas it.

That is where a greatest problem occurs as the blue car treated it as one single road as if he was following the centre line and I'd pulled out in front of him.

If ya get me?