Hypothetical situation

**Rodney007** · 8th June 2009, 15:06

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Alternate example, 2 people go riding, Person one does something dumb, Person 2 does not. Person 2 is snapped for Person 1's misdeeds and has to spend good $$$ to defend theirselves.

Does person 1 have any moral obligations in this situation at all?

from what i gather is that the person that got in trouble was in the wrong as well as others, but took the blame

not...

the person that got in trouble was completely innocent, and the person that did it didnt man up.

**MSTRS:Me** · 8th June 2009, 15:16

Originally Posted by Rodney007

from what i gather is that the person that got in trouble was in the wrong as well as others, but took the blame

not...

the person that got in trouble was completely innocent, and the person that did it didnt man up.

That is exactly the scenario posited by TheStranger.

**ManDownUnder** · 8th June 2009, 15:16

Originally Posted by Rodney007

from what i gather is that the person that got in trouble was in the wrong as well as others, but took the blame

not...

the person that got in trouble was completely innocent, and the person that did it didnt man up.

Per the hypothetical example below that's not the case. Or has that hypothisis evolved in the face of the truth...?

Originally Posted by The Stranger

So, let's just say. You are doing dumb shit on your bike, perhaps in say a small group of mates and one of these mates gets snapped for your dumb shit and is faced with loosing their license.

**boomer** · 8th June 2009, 15:16

Originally Posted by Rodney007

from what i gather is that the person that got in trouble was in the wrong as well as others, but took the blame

not...

the person that got in trouble was completely innocent, and the person that did it didnt man up.

looks like you got given a bum steer ( no pun intended honduh boy )

**The Stranger:Me** · 8th June 2009, 15:57

Originally Posted by Rodney007

from what i gather is that the person that got in trouble was in the wrong as well as others, but took the blame

not...

the person that got in trouble was completely innocent, and the person that did it didnt man up.

Well as always there are 2 sides to any hypothetical situation and here you sum up the situation very nicely indeed.

So here is how it goes - in reality, not hypothetically.
These situations will ultimately come down to credibility. Perhaps they shouldn't, perhaps that is unfair in this case, however that IS the way it IS - like it or not, there is nothing you or I can do about that.

Who you going to believe?
Someone who has quite the reputation for routinely, habitually embelishing the truth or somone who has yet to be found wanting on the truth?

Now sure this don't mean he is guilty in this instance, who can say for sure, but one thing IS for SURE. No matter what people say out loud, they WILL make a judgement call in thier heads. Like it or not people judge and this WILL impact on one's life.

The consequences of ones action eh. Something to think about perhaps?

**Rodney007** · 8th June 2009, 17:37

hmmn seems like this should be between the ppl involved

**nodrog:Me** · 8th June 2009, 19:59

http://www.sheriffratings.com/images...57886_logo.jpg

**MarkH** · 8th June 2009, 20:36

One thing that bothers me is that there is so much hatred here for someone that from what I understand was having fun on his bike. The person I am least impressed with is the police officer who has charged a guy that has done nothing wrong (at least in the hypothetical case presented to us). It seems to me that he is a bad cop (they exist, I have encountered them) and any criticism I have of that officer does not extend to the good cops (they exist, I have also encountered them).

Can we really be sure that it is the fault of the guy everyone here is hating on that the innocent guy (if indeed he is innocent) got charged, was he the only biker anywhere nearby that the cops may have mistaken innocent guy for? What if some other random dude was doing some silly shit and the bad cop came across the innocent dude on a similar bike and decided that he must be the culprit?

**FROSTY:Me** · 9th June 2009, 09:21

Hey folkssome of you are really are missing a point here I suspect.
Someone did something that in the right place and time in my opinion is actually pretty cool and to be encouraged.
A direct comparison I would suggest would be for an experienced sport shooter with a good personal reputation to head down to the shooting range and fire off a few hundred shots in the company of a young person who has a reputation for doing stupid stuff and for telling lies. Said companion then perhaps later that day whilst walking down a heavily populated footpath with the sports shooter decides to shoot off a few rounds.Noone gets hurt but the time and place was stupid The sports shooter is then accused of the shooting. At this point the companion could have at the least apologised, if not stepped forward.
To actually say "ohh he does it all the time" when refering to the sports shooter shows the metal of the companion
I am DELIBERATELY useing the senario of a weapon concidered deadly because a vehicle used the wrong way is equally or arguably more so a deadly weapon than a gun (sorryy rifle)

**Winston001** · 9th June 2009, 11:11

Firstly there are lots of situations where the hypothetical scenario proposed by The Stranger do occur. The police and the Courts deal with it all the time.

As for evidence, ask yourself how a judge is supposed to believe a defence witness who suddenly springs into the witness box and says "It was me g'vnor wot done it, 'es an innocent man!". But that person has never spoken before that day to the police? If it was that easy, no-one would ever be convicted.

As for possible scenarios, being in a group (and one person does wheelies) where a member of the public dials *555 but gets the wrong rego. Cameras - speed, intersections, crossing double yellow lines, all sorts of situations. You are required by law to name the operator of the vehicle.

Or say, you swop bikes on a run, your mate max's your bike out at 252k while passing an unmarked car, swop back a bit further down the road

You lose your licence on the spot and are looking at a possible prison sentence for dangerous driving.

If you don't name the actual rider on the spot you are going to have a hard time convincing a judge later on.

Anyway, all of that is academic. To have self respect, a person must accept responsibilities and consequences. You should never let someone else suffer for your mistake.

**ManDownUnder** · 9th June 2009, 11:17

I wonder if the cops read KB... they might have gleaned a few insights ... but... naaaaaaaaaa they'd never do that would they?

(hi guys!!!!

)

**SixPackBack** · 9th June 2009, 12:11

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

I wonder if the cops read KB... they might have gleaned a few insights ... but... naaaaaaaaaa they'd never do that would they?

(hi guys!!!!

)

I am sure they will be taking a keen interest in this thread. The potential exists that if the guilty party [in this case] is 'shopped' the police will place more confidence in a similar situation in charging 'someone' in the group.

In practical terms the guilty party should be coming forward, but in doing so is only playing in to the hands of the police and an officers incompetence.

**Rodney007** · 9th June 2009, 12:28

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

I am sure they will be taking a keen interest in this thread. The potential exists that if the guilty party [in this case] is 'shopped' the police will place more confidence in a similar situation in charging 'someone' in the group.

In practical terms the guilty party should be coming forward, but in doing so is only playing in to the hands of the police and an officers incompetence.

dude they dont hawk this forum as much as you think or i would be in trouble,

plus its hypothetical....isnt it ?