Pakeha - do you like this name?

**Ixion** · 16th July 2009, 20:36

Originally Posted by Winston001

There are two confused discussions going on in this thread. If you look in the mirror you are going to see skull shape, brow structures, and skin pigment. That tells you your dominant racial characteristics. Innuit, Irish, whatever.

That has absolutely nothing to do with nationality - which is what most people mean when they want to be called "Kiwi".

And just to complicate things, there is also your culture background to consider. Asian people, Scottish people, Danish people (Danniverke) etc can relate strongly (generations later) to their ethnic roots. And so it is for many Maori.

But all of these people will still consider themselves Kiwis. Good on them.

Irish isn't a race. That'd be Celtic. Thing is, many Kiwis have been here for so many generations and are so blended that their race *IS* Kiwi. We've mixed so many races together that we've created a new one. Kiwi. And proud of it.

**Grahameeboy** · 16th July 2009, 20:44

Originally Posted by Ixion

Irish isn't a race. That'd be Celtic. Thing is, many Kiwis have been here for so many generations and are so blended that their race *IS* Kiwi. We've mixed so many races together that we've created a new one. Kiwi. And proud of it.

They are "Irish". It's a race of people....the Celts were warmongerers about 800 plus years ago..bit like suggesting that the English are not a race..they are saxons....

**Grahameeboy** · 16th July 2009, 20:45

Seems a few find "Pakeha" offensive but why....it is a harmless term

**Forest** · 17th July 2009, 03:29

I don't really care.

I've been called worse things.

**peasea** · 17th July 2009, 08:35

Originally Posted by Winston001

Life's too short to get your knickers in a knot over "pakeha". I don't care. Ethnically I'm Caucasian, domiciled in New Zealander, culturally a Kiwi - with Scottish tendencies....

We'd achieve something if we could puzzle out why Aussies produce 30% more per person than us, why the media think sex and murder is actually news,........and why seemingly sane people buy bland Japanese bikes.....

Oh crap. Must spread rep etc...

**peasea** · 17th July 2009, 08:44

Originally Posted by scumdog

Not pakeha but 100% honky!

Wouldnt that be 'honky porky'?

**peasea** · 17th July 2009, 08:47

Originally Posted by Mom

I am a Canadian citizen with NZ permanent residency. I have lived here most of my life.

Call me Kiwi please.

Does anyone have a derogatory term for Canadians?

**sinfull** · 17th July 2009, 08:49

As far as i am aware (without going through the whole thread to see if anyone has done this post) the word Pakeha is derived from two words, pakehakeha and pakepakeha and it means person/stranger with a white face !
Where as the term Maori means, the norm/normal ie; brown skinned ! But they, the Maori didn't call themselves Maori, it was Iwi or Tauiwi !
It (being the name Maori), was term picked up by the colonizers and used to descride the group !

Or in simple terms !
Yo Native, if you call us Pakeha cause were the strangers with white faces, what what you call yourselves ?
Awww aye cuz, we're normal !!!

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th July 2009, 08:57

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

They are "Irish". It's a race of people....the Celts were warmongerers about 800 plus years ago..bit like suggesting that the English are not a race..they are saxons....

The Irish are/were Celts. Just as were the Scots and the Welsh. But you are right about the English not being a race...they were invaded so many times that the term Mongrel describes them quite nicely.

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Seems a few find "Pakeha" offensive but why....it is a harmless term

In which case, so is Darkie. Or Tar Baby.

**Oscar** · 17th July 2009, 09:21

Originally Posted by MSTRS

The Irish are/were Celts. Just as were the Scots and the Welsh. But you are right about the English not being a race...they were invaded so many times that the term Mongrel describes them quite nicely.

Yeah right.

What is the fascination of Kiwis with Celtic heritage?

The Scots and to a lessor extent the Irish have a large Danish element (where do you think the gingas come from?) in the population. There is a Spanish element in the Irish DNA. the Welsh are the remnants of many tribes expelled from what has become England and include Germanic and Roman ancestry.

In fact there are very few "races" left anywhere in the World,as everyone has interbred (how many "pure bred" Maori are left?) This whole race thing is crap, a Nazi dream.

**one fast tl1ooo** · 17th July 2009, 09:23

NO HATE IT

**peasea** · 17th July 2009, 09:24

Originally Posted by Ixion

Irish isn't a race.

The Isle of Man TT is though, so is Bathurst (Oct 8-11), start stockpiling your booze now.

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th July 2009, 09:35

Originally Posted by Oscar

Yeah right.

What is the fascination of Kiwis with Celtic heritage?

The Scots and to a lessor extent the Irish have a large Danish element (where do you think the gingas come from?) in the population. There is a Spanish element in the Irish DNA. the Welsh are the remnants of many tribes expelled from what has become England and include Germanic and Roman ancestry.

In fact there are very few "races" left anywhere in the World,as everyone has interbred (how many "pure bred" Maori are left?) This whole race thing is crap, a Nazi dream.

Sorry. Did I miss putting the little light up in the top left of your screen?
The 3 races are still Caucasian, Negroid and Asiatic. Everyone is a derivative of them. And more than one, for that matter. We are all Mongrels.
It's just that the Poms are more so...