Instilling a sense of conscience.

[Max Preload]

...as we came out of the corners onto a straight I flicked on my indicator, glanced in my mirror and saw nothing in the right hand lane and a bunch of lights behind me, so pulled out. At that moment aformentioned GSXR rider screams past me less than a meter away at one hell of a speed. If I had pulled out a fraction earlier I would be a newspaper article.

I'm not sure what more I could have done - I indicated, looked in my mirrors, checked that there was nobody in the right hand lane overtaking and then started to pull out. Isn't that the correct way to overtake?

You don't mention checking your blind spot...

[shrub]

I think the point you are missing is when riding in a group it is paramount to look over your shoulder ie: physically look around before making a pass on a car to check the coast is clear, not count each one, just see if it is clear. You're being a little pedantic with this counting thing.


Sounds like you & the gixxer rider were in the wrong. You didn't check properly & he was too close & too fast (at least from your story, but that changed from 1 to half a meter in a matter of a few posts) so your credibility isn't exactly good

OK, I am willing to accept that maybe I should have looked more carefully over my shoulder behind me - but given the speed differential I doubt that would have made a difference and I do automatically glance into my blind spot and always have done.

As for the distance, I didn't measure it at the time - suffice it to say I was buffetted by his slipstream and I'm not small. It may have been even less than half a metre - or more than a metre.

And it seems that Katman's argument that we need to take greater responsibility for our safety is being proven by my experience. I still maintain that the Gixxer rider was mostly at fault, but I am also willing to accept that I was also at fault because I didn't check as thoroughly as I could/should have done.

[shrub]

You don't mention checking your blind spot...

Maybe I should be flattered the amount of attention a noob such as myself is attracting - have you checked all of my posts? And how many other people are scanning everything I posted for ammunition?

And on that note, I have work to do. Goodbye.

[Max Preload]

...how many other people are scanning everything I posted for ammunition?

Who needs ammunition when there's a suicide bomber?

[MSTRS:Me]

Maybe I should be flattered the amount of attention a noob such as myself is attracting - have you checked all of my posts? And how many other people are scanning everything I posted for ammunition?

And on that note, I have work to do. Goodbye.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you come for an Argument? Should have gone next door...this is Abuse.
And don't think you can stir up the rank'n'file, then just slip out when no-one's looking. Simply won't do.

[boomer]

Who needs ammunition when there's a suicide bomber?

lawl.......

[boomer]

It's called a lifesaver in the UK and if you don't do it when you're sitting your test, you fail!!! I still look over the appropriate shoulder when riding a motorbicycle or driving a car, too many blindspots on a car that don't pick up bikes, let alone cars and trucks and bike mirrors on sprots bikes are, as mentioned before, for checking that your torso and elbow apparal is in good condition...

it's the same here mate, if you don't look over your shoulder when taking of from a stand still, over taking, going past an on ramp you will fail... not only your test but life too.. eventually.

Still, im a retard.

As for me.. katmans ravings dont have ANY impact on my riding, the only thing he manages to do is rile me up... im sure he suffers from small mans syndrome.

[The Stranger:Me]

You're not doing yourself any favours at all right now mate.

It's true that you have the responsibility to make sure that a pass is safe - but the same applies to everybody else on the road too.

If the other lane is free and you indicate and pull out to pass - anyone coming from behind who indicates (or decides not indicate as may be the case) and pulls out after you has to give way to you.

I'm not looking for favours thanks. Just to leave an indellible mark in his mind for next time he thinks he in the right when he is in the wrong. He needs to learn, one way or the other. No good sugar coating it.

And you are incorrect too. The gixxer had right of way plain and simple.

We only have an opinion on the gixxer's speed, but we have Shrub's confession that he fucked up, so I'll take the confession thanks.
Furthermore, there is a fair chance from the sound of things than had the gixxer been going slower it could well have been a fatality - caused by Shrub.
The primary cause of the accident waiting to happen rested with the trumpet.
The other rider may have also been charged - after they were scraped up. Fat lot of good it would have done eh.

[The Stranger:Me]

Nice work. I love it when people prove that they're tards. Good on ya.

Oh the irony.

[MarkH]

What ever you says doesnt fookin count.. you ride a fookin scootah ffs... ( at least i think its a scootah )

Actually it is a van on 2 wheels (that's why it gets called a Suzuki Burgervan). It is primarily my weekday commuter, cause it is great for that. I only use it for weekend riding because I lack the money to buy a nice weekend bike (I need a part time job to bring in a little more dough, but it is hard to get a job these days).

Of course this dangerous riding stuff doesn't really apply to me, I don't even exceed the speed limit.

[shrub]

I'm not looking for favours thanks. Just to leave an indellible mark in his mind

You've done that alright, you've certainly done that. And given me something to laugh at.

[The Stranger:Me]

Have you noticed though that their attempts to justify their manner of riding are becoming increasingly desperate and pathetic?

Advocating he read and understand the road code and perform head checks is desperate and pathetic?

You provide tacit support of poor riding and at the expense of your pet speed argument. That is desperate and pathetic.

You're as bad as him.
No one (other than Shrub and you) has a barrow to push. Has anyone said or indicated the gixxer rider is without fault?
The gixxer had right of way, Shrub impinged on that and denies it flat.
He now after about 13 pages thinks he may have done a head check and tried to count helmets and headlights - yeah right.

[MSTRS:Me]

Really? I'm not aware of that, and I have just checked the road code online, but I could have missed it.

Just to make sure this horse is well dead...

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...g/passing.html

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...correctly.html

And AA Driver Training/Testing states that frequent use of mirrors (every 10 secs or so), use of mirrors before any sort of change in direction INCLUDING a headcheck for the blindspots, is mandatory.

[The Stranger:Me]

Just to make sure this horse is well dead...

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...g/passing.html

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roa...correctly.html

And AA Driver Training/Testing states that frequent use of mirrors (every 10 secs or so), use of mirrors before any sort of change in direction INCLUDING a headcheck for the blindspots, is mandatory.

Nooooooooooooooooo it was someone else's fault. It had to be! NO ONE can be expected to take responsibility for themselves.

[MarkH]

The gixxer had right of way, Shrub impinged on that and denies it flat.

I am not too sure how you can know the gixxer had right of way without being there and knowing the relevant bike positions when Shrub pulled out. Or knowing how long after indicating right the other bike passed him. I do know that if I am overtaking other bikes and come up behind a bike that is behind a car and indicating to pass I would have to be a tool to just blast on by without considering he was about to move to the right. If the gixxer pulled out to pass Shrub at the same time as Shrub was moving out to pass the car, despite Shrub clearly indicating for more than 3 seconds then I would put the blame squarely on the gixxer rider.

But of course I wasn't there so I will refrain from passing judgement about stuff that I do not know. Take the previous paragraph as pure conjecture.