Chappy happy with NZPC opinion to date on newer model fairings

[sidecar bob]

What fans? You been smoking crack or something? Fuck the fans....we're the ones spending the time/money and enjoying the racing. They can go to classic bike shows or watch car racing if the looks are so important to them.

"Me me me me me" & id assumed you were reasonably intelligent up until now.

[Kickaha]

"Me me me me me" & id assumed you were reasonably intelligent up until now.

Obviously as with so many things in life you were wrong

[codgyoleracer]

I have a theory




I pre date the class by a long way so if my bike is slightly out of regulatory status i outweigh the differance with my age so im sweet , anything goes.
As long as we all keep our outdated haircuts and wear flared jeans nobody can deny we are purists.

,,,,,And Dont forget the mullet hairdoo

[scracha]

"Me me me me me" & id assumed you were reasonably intelligent up until now.

No, Do you seriously anticipate lots of money heading in the direction of post classic racing from fans and sponsors? If so then I'll gladly ensure my bike is painted cocktail pink, my boots are pearl white and my head is adorned with a shite old bell Helmet. Otherwise myself and the rest of the field will continue racing for our own benefit.

[sidecar bob]

No, Do you seriously anticipate lots of money heading in the direction of post classic racing from fans and sponsors? If so then I'll gladly ensure my bike is painted cocktail pink, my boots are pearl white and my head is adorned with a shite old bell Helmet. Otherwise myself and the rest of the field will continue racing for our own benefit.

Oh dear. Why do you think the Taupo Road Race Spectacular entry price is so low you selfish weirdo??? Because it is being subsidised by the gate take of the spectators that you dont seem to need.
If you & all other competitors would like to enclose a cheque for aproximately double the entry fee this year im sure Scrivy could organise for the spectator gate to be locked on your behalf.
Actually, maybe your class could be canned altogether this year instead, seeing as its non benificial to the gate take.

[scracha]

Taupo Road Race Spectacular entry price is so low you selfish weirdo???

Selfish Weirdo....have you been stalking me or something?

Because it is being subsidised by the gate take of the spectators that you dont seem to need.

Fair enough. But perhaps we're not discussing the same thing. You're referring to what in my opinion, is NZ's best event. I'm referring to club racing. If the Nationals can't attract paying spectators then the clubs are already on the back-foot. As I believe you've intonated before, better promotion, non bike racing forms of entertainment and better facilities are pretty high on the list of "to dos" to get payihg spectators, TV cameras and sponsors. "Period" looking motorcycles surely can't be that high on the list?

Actually, maybe your class could be canned altogether this year instead, seeing as its non benificial to the gate take.

That's your perogative. Nobody expects you guys to endure whopping great losses every year and if having more F1/F2/etc helps balalance the books then guys in "loss making" classes like mine would understand why.

[sidecar bob]

Do you seriously anticipate lots of money heading in the direction of post classic racing from fans and sponsors?

With the attitude that is being displayed by the class competitors, absolutely not.

[Deano]

I wonder when the last time an old piece of shit was leading F3??

Probably before GW came on the scene on his girl's commuter.

Must be a great piece of shit!!

Not to take anything away from your obvious riding skills but with more HP than a stock SV, upside down forks and dual opposing brake pistons, it's hardly a piece of shit is it ?

[scracha]

With the attitude that is being displayed by the class competitors, absolutely not.

Point taken. My bad.

[Str8 Jacket]

And Dont forget the mullet hairdoo

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a 'Mullet Hairdo'. I heard that the more overgrown your mullet is, the sexier you are!

[Deano]

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a 'Mullet Hairdo'. I heard that the more overgrown your mullet is, the sexier you are!

You heard ? Was that while he whispered sweet nothings into your ear ? !!!

[scracha]

Found some fairings that will comply Neil

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129363966

[malcy25]

What fans? You been smoking crack or something? Fuck the fans....we're the ones spending the time/money and enjoying the racing. They can go to classic bike shows or watch car racing if the looks are so important to them.

Wonder why the Puke classic festival has the biggest gate of any 2 wheel event at Puke. The promotion they do well, but you still need a good underlying product....people come out of the woodwork once a year to go look at the old bikes.

I read earlier this year in AMCN that the comparable event at Phillip Island, which is a 2 hour drive from Melbourne had a gate of 18,000 spectators over the weekend. The 3rd largest 2 wheeled event there. Only the GP and superbikes were bigger. Must be something in it.

The rule bing quoted in Neil's case is about keeping the bikes looking like old bikes / bikes of the period. Might be Mutton dressed as Mutton, but I'd least I'd like to know it's Mutton and not lamb..... My personal view for what it is worth, if you want to ride a modern looking bike, go buy one. I thought S/C Bob said it best!

I've read reference to F3 vs Posties and changing body work between events? Why? Why not just build a bike which meets both classes? PC is more restrictive, so build to that.

Okay , next one - I've read a lot crap here about what you can and can't do and what you mix and match and most of it is crap sorry. Here's how it is and referencing some of the points raised and distilling the rules:
1) ZXR400 USD forks can only be used on ZXR400's.
2) If you were lucky to have something like an true 888 Corsa with period Ohlins / Aprilia 250 Vtwin GP bike with period White Power, Y4EIR with period Ohlins, ex Rainey/Magee/Spencer/McKenzie 1989 YZR500 with period Ohlin's, They can all run.
3) If you have a FZR400 and want to run ZXR 400 USD's - go away.
4) The major component rules require that all of the major components MUST come from the period or be exact replica's of. These are Forks, brakes (Calipers/Discs), Carbs, engine cases, swing arm, frame.
5) there is no rule which says that the a bike must use the engine from the same manufacturer as the frame, as the swing arm etc. Nor is there a rule which says that you can't squeeze a bigger engine (ie FZR400/600) In fact in Aussie I have seen a number of Honda's and Kwaka's with swing arms from a particular Suzuki. But I would hope that people would build something which is consistent with what was actually done in the period though. Nor am I advocating "bitza's" built with anything laying around. If Drew wants to Put RWU ZXR750H1 forks into something, that can be done.
6) Modifications: Can't remember the rule currently, but mods across all of this are allowed. ie frame bracing, etc etc. But it should be consistent with what was done in the period. Ie taking a GSXR750H and making it a beam frame ain't going to cut it!
7) Replica parts - can be used in any proportion. Shit, things wear out, get bent. Manufacturers stop making OEM replacements. But they must be consistent with the original in respective of look/feel, dimensions, materials. Ie a steel tube frame recreated in alloy...nope!!! I know Spondon built 10 replica TZ750 frames 2-3 years ago to get bikes running again where motors had come back out of sidecars and the original chassis was long gone. Which is better - 10 more big funky strokers in the world or 10 engines laying idle....what about guys who spnak their bike up big time and need a replacement frame for a model not made in 20 years?
8) Period go fast bits can be used. This ain't production racing so if you can get a works kit OW swing arm for your OW - cool!
9) if you want to put an '85 TZ250 fairing and seat on your RZ350 - is cool. Though I personally would like to see it looking more like the RZ it really is.
10) If someone bitches about your paint colour. Tell them HTFU and show them the road.
11) Carry over models, ie bikes made after the cut off. These can be used, but MUST be IDENTICAL to the legal model. Ie a ZXR400H is, a ZXR400L is not. Parts of an L which are Identical to the H parts are okay.

Contrary to popular opinion, the postie boys are not control freaks. It's all about keeping the class rules consistent with what the bikes were using in the period in terms of major components, and what they looked like. ie with reason, like the clock stopped at that point and being fair for everyone, and balance the underlying dynamic of the rules being preservation of the bikes as close as possible to what was being run at the time.

You could argue, if the rules are set correctly up front and truly represent what the world looked like, there is little need for any subsequent rule changes.... If that is something which a rider can not fit in or willing to work within, is Posties the right class for them?

Tall Poppy syndrome: Sorry to disappoint some riders, but I know any number of illegal bikes that have been targeted that have not been at the pointy end, once of which was probably usually running last. Most guys are interested in getting the bikes right for the class. Obviously if you win, or your bike is obviously different or special, it will get more looks and more eyes mean more chance for someone to see something they may think is not kosha.

By the way, for info, the Purple/Pink V1000 Britten with the carbon fork legs / funny front end was 91 from memory.....

and lastly GSXR7/11's were common in the states I think. But irrespective, is legal anyway as the rules stand.

As you were.

[scracha]

3) If you have a FZR400 and want to run ZXR 400 USD's - go away.

So nobody ran ZXR400 USD's on any other model "back in the day" ??

[malcy25]

So nobody ran ZXR400 USD's on any other model "back in the day" ??

Never gonna say never, But let me see. ZXR400's were only a year old when the cut off hit and were not imported by Kawasaki NZ into NZ. You do the maths...

But, more importantly the rule was written that way to stop every bike now getting ZXR400 USD forks, whether they are CBX250's to FZR1000's, when it just never ever happened that way at the time. (and it would happen)

USD forks are just not a common fixture in the age group 1983 to dec 31st 1989 and were still very leading edge at the time. ZXR's are allowed them because they were OEM.

It's easier to get in front now with a rule like that than back pedal later.

Why, have you got a stock of ZXR forks to sell?!!