The blue lovely has a lie down at Laava's

[Mom]

Ah no! I'm not a southern man, I don't do sheep sharing!

But certainly shearing? Actually no that is crap, you do sheep tanning

Hey serious question here, as the springs wear out do they get longer or shorter?

[Ixion]

Hey serious question here, as the springs wear out do they get longer or shorter?

Shorter, for normal clutches .

[Mom]

Shorter, for normal clutches .

Define normal...lol

So, worn clutch springs get shorter as mine have done. What is the effect of worn springs, would that have been contributing as well to the clutch drag? What effect will replacing them with in limit springs have? Will it make the clutch harder to operate for example.

[Laava]

I think that after we lube the cable and replace the springs plus what we have already done, ie remove scoring, you will have an improved clutch. That is to say that if the pull is harder it will be negated by the fact that the mechanism works better. End result, more smily miles! IMO!

[Mom]

I think that after we lube the cable and replace the springs plus what we have already done, ie remove scoring, you will have an improved clutch. That is to say that if the pull is harder it will be negated by the fact that the mechanism works better. End result, more smily miles! IMO!

The $64K question is though, will I be able to select neutral while the engine is running? Actually there are 2 questions for that price. Will I actually be able to be stationary at an intersection with the clutch in, waiting for a gap in traffic and be able to hold her stopped with my feet and not the brakes...LOL

I have absolutely no doubt the clutch will be 100% better than what it was when the blue lovely arrived in your gargre though. Riding an older bike with "quirks" is all part of the joy of riding for me.

[Mom]

Oh and most importantly of all, she wont leak oil!!!! That alone warms the cockles of my heart.

[Kickaha]

These springs are 41mm and the manual says std is 42.8, min is 41.8, and they are approx 2.3mm wire and 17mm od. Would be great if you have them, no doubt you will let Anne know!

Where do you get the 42.8 figure from, is it a factory manual? the Radian has the same motor as the XJ600 which lists 40.8 as minimum even the later Diversion is still only 41.8 as minimum

I dont have anything over 41mm, but I know the likes of EBC do an aftermarket spring but about 10-15% stiffer

Define normal...lol

So, worn clutch springs get shorter as mine have done. What is the effect of worn springs, would that have been contributing as well to the clutch drag? What effect will replacing them with in limit springs have? Will it make the clutch harder to operate for example.

I would have thought shorter springs would be more likely to slip than drag but I saw a good post on clutch adjustment on XJbikes which I will copy across when I find it

Using OE springs it shouldn't make any difference in how hard to operate, using aftermarket it might but only if they are a stiffer spring rate than the stockers

edit : Badrad site says 41.8 minimium which means any spring I have will be to short
D:\TECHNICAL_PUBLICATIONS\XJ600SD_service_guide.pd f
page 32

[FJRider]

Shorter springs mean less pressure on the plates ... A hydraullic clutch should see no change. A cable clutch will be barely noticed. A gradual decline in force needed to operate the clutch is noticed most after clutch is rebuilt.

[Kickaha]

These springs are 41mm and the manual says std is 42.8, min is 41.8, and they are approx 2.3mm wire and 17mm od. Would be great if you have them, no doubt you will let Anne know!

Where do you get the 42.8 figure from, is it a factory manual? the Radian has the same motor as the XJ600 which lists 40.8 as minimum even the later Diversion is still only 41.8 as minimum

I dont have anything over 41mm, but I know the likes of EBC do an aftermarket spring but about 10-15% stiffer

Define normal...lol

So, worn clutch springs get shorter as mine have done. What is the effect of worn springs, would that have been contributing as well to the clutch drag? What effect will replacing them with in limit springs have? Will it make the clutch harder to operate for example.

I would have thought shorter springs would be more likely to slip than drag but I saw a good post on clutch adjustment on XJbikes which I will copy across when I find it

Using OE springs it shouldn't make any difference in how hard to operate, using aftermarket it might but only if they are a stiffer spring rate than the stockers

edit : Badrad site says 41.8 minimium which means any spring I have will be to short
http://www.badrad600.com/Radian%20Ma...20Overhaul.pdf
page 32

[Mom]

Where do you get the 42.8 figure from, is it a factory manual?

No, a trusty Haines one. Surprisingly enough, there are actually some quite big differences between the XJ and the XY (Radian). The blue lovely is speshul you see.

[Laava]

Where do you get the 42.8 figure from, is it a factory manual? the Radian has the same motor as the XJ600 which lists 40.8 as minimum even the later Diversion is still only 41.8 as minimum

I dont have anything over 41mm, but I know the likes of EBC do an aftermarket spring but about 10-15% stiffer



I would have thought shorter springs would be more likely to slip than drag but I saw a good post on clutch adjustment on XJbikes which I will copy across when I find it

Using OE springs it shouldn't make any difference in how hard to operate, using aftermarket it might but only if they are a stiffer spring rate than the stockers

edit : Badrad site says 41.8 minimium which means any spring I have will be to short
D:\TECHNICAL_PUBLICATIONS\XJ600SD_service_guide.pd f
page 32

Thanks for that, this manual is Haynes. Oh well we will wait and see what happens with price and availability on new springs> I have no doubt that Mom will be on top of that!

[Kickaha]

No, a trusty Haines one. Surprisingly enough, there are actually some quite big differences between the XJ and the XY (Radian). The blue lovely is speshul you see.

Not in the engine there isn't, even the later Diversion (Seca 2) shares engine bits with the XJ550/XJ/FJ/YX600

If you don't already know about it all http://www.badrad600.com/ have all the manuals, the figures I gave came from the factory Yamaha manual pdf they have there, I originally posted the wrong link but have since edited it

[Mom]

http://www.badrad600.com/Radian%20Ma...20Overhaul.pdf
page 32

That site was the first one I looked at when I got the blue lovely, perhaps I should spend some more time looking there. Thank you for reminding me about it. I will off to my local trusty Yay-maha dealer tomorrow and start asking some questions, the very first one being, do you have an oil filter for the blue lovely? Hmmmm interesting, thanks guys I am learning heaps.

[Kickaha]

http://xjbikes.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=2672.html

All about clutch adjustment for when it goes back together

[MSTRS:Me]

Springs that have become short (fail to return to original rest length) will contribute to clutch slip. Because they can no longer provide that last ounce of pressure on the plates.
The scalloping in the fingers of the basket will be the cause of the drag you were experiencing, because the plates are unable to move freely within the basket once the pressure on them is released.