The Group Ride Guide Announcement

[James Deuce]

experienced riders although still die due to mistakes by others & rarely themselves

Not, actually. And that makes it all the more indigestible.

[Tink]

the true statement is seeing your friends die (your comment on mine)... I do have full confidence in my friends but.... experienced riders although still die due to mistakes by others & rarely themselves

Not, actually. And that makes it all the more indigestible.

I am not sure which part your referring to here.... the confidence, the experience or the mistakes... please clarify?

[Coldrider]

Which means... never ride in a group... never ride in a kb group ... or just never get on a bike.... I have faith in my friends... as to new friends I would guess anyone that makes a monkey of themselves are not worthy of riding with... online or on the road....

I still would like a first aid cert!

What I stated is group rides make me nervous and worse given the reasons that you & I have both tabled, not that you or anyone should not do group rides if you wish.
I have learnt through experience that i cannot fully control those around me that may place me in danger through various reasons, so i wish not to ride with them. That has worked perfectly so far. (I have close friends that I will not ride with). The fact that someone may die on a ride never even enters my head. Having your boundaries around you while riding is like all things in life, look after numero uno.

[Tink]

What I stated is group rides make me nervous and worse given the reasons that you & I have both tabled, not that you or anyone should not do group rides if you wish.
I have learnt through experience that i cannot fully control those around me that may place me in danger through various reasons, so i wish not to ride with them. That has worked perfectly so far. (I have close friends that I will not ride with). The fact that someone may die on a ride never even enters my head. Having your boundaries around you while riding is like all things in life, look after numero uno.

touche... yr not a Ulysses member are you?

[James Deuce]

I am not sure which part your referring to here.... the confidence, the experience or the mistakes... please clarify?

Experienced riders not making mistakes and not being at fault. It's a myth. Confidence is a luxury of youth. Divest thyself of it before it turns into hubris and kills you.

[Coldrider]

touche... yr not a Ulysses member are you?

Nope, never, and I won't even comment on them.
Do you think I'm an ol coont, (whoops just commented on them).

[Gizzit]

WOW! A lot of thought has gone into this.
Bloody good job.
The carnage on KB group rides is why I very RARELY EVER do KB rides.

Thing is that people say "who are you to tell me how to ride and what I can and cannot do?"
IMHO if a person has that attitude then they shouldn't BE on a group ride cos they obviously have zero respect for the other riders.

Once again cheers to the people who took the time to put this together. It will be interesting to see if anything changes...

Totally agree with you BB.

A lot of work went into this. Thanks very much to those involved for caring about others safety and enjoyment.

[Tink]

Nope, never, and I won't even comment on them.
Do you think I'm an ol coont, (whoops just commented on them).

Not at all but I have heard those comments before about not riding with friends!

Life is for living and looking after number one is my goal, too.

Don't ya hate it when you have to google words you don't understand "hubris" erm.

[Beeza]

Far too many rules and caveats!

1. Ride zig-zag, biggest newest and fastest bikes start in the front -- tiddlers and oldies in the rear

2. Only two bikes in the zig-zag -- one very near the road-verge, the other very close to the painted line in the road-centre. NOBODY in the centre of the lane.

3. If you've never ridden in a group before, always ride closest to the side of the road. (The "zig")

4. If the person outside of you is going too slow, catch up and overtake him/her. If you've been overtaken, give up being a "zag" and move left to the "zig" side of the road.

5. Whether you're a zigger or a zagger, ALWAYS give yourself enough room that if the person ahead of your falls off, you still have enough time and space to avoid running into the unpredictable fallen mayhem now happening in front of you.

That's all.

[MadDuck]

I won’t name names, I think MT has access to a list of all participants, and some, for various reasons wished to remain anonymous. As you know, trying to get consensus on any given topic from more than a couple of people can be difficult, so for my part I would like to thank everyone for their co-operation, time, effort, ideas and constructive input.

Getting a concensus on here is just about impossible. I admire the time and effort gone into this but I think if the wider community knew who put this together the support would suddenly evaporate.

I dont do KB rides anymore. Group rides I go on are the ones I choose to go to because I know the riders and know their level of skill.

Now that this has been posted and I know it has been stated like a stuck record......the legal implications concern me.

[Katman]

It's an interesting culture change though. Tried the same approach a few years back and got shouted down fairly aggressively.

The times, they are a'changing Jim.




(And they could sure use your support).

[MadDuck]

The times, they are a'changing Jim.

Like how?....

[Ixion]

Far too many rules and caveats!

Wot 'e said.

One knows not whether to sympathise more with the Ride Organiser (who the fuck would be mad enough to organise anything under those terms ?), bowed down under the weight of his rule book and those "legal implications"; or the hapless ride participants grimly maintaining a po-faced silence least the Ride Police convict them of banter, whilst furtively avoiding the attention of the Ride Classification Police, least they be deemed to be only "intermediate" rather than "experienced" and thus ignominiously disqualified fromt he ride and led off in chains. .

What happenned to the idea that going for a ride was fun? And sharing with like minded riders better still.

[gunnyrob]

Thanks for the guide Noel, a top job by you & all involved.

Mayhaps one could include "riders showing disregard for the safety of others should not be offended if they are told to feck off in no uncertain terms."

We'll see what comments I'll get for posting this in the ATNR! (especially since summer time is almost upon us)

Well done again.

[Katman]

What happenned to the idea that going for a ride was fun? And sharing with like minded riders better still.

Seems to be too many riders going and spoiling those rides by going and getting themselves killed though.

I'd rather see this site make an attempt to address a problem and run the risk of not getting it absolutely right than simply burying it's head in the sand. Perhaps BRONZ should take note.

(Having said all that, I think this Group Ride Guide is spot on).