ACC to no longer be available to crims who injure themselves committing crimes

[Skyryder]

Ay?

Used to?

All speed camera sites still have to be "approved" and "designated..."

Well I learn something everyday on here. Should have said about the signage thing.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Here's a wee thought for some of you.

You're sitting on y' verandah, on a nice summer's evening, smoking a joint, as some do.

And a drunk driver careers round the corner, loses it, spins across your lawn and you end up a tetraplegic.

But. No ACC for you. Cos , after all, you were injured in the commission of a crime. Class C drug, possession of or whatever it is . Probably count if the cops found it in y' car after y' crashed , too.

Oh, and you can't sue anybody either. Welcome to the rest of your life on an invalid's benefit.

Gets dodgy , doesn't it when we start this sort of thing. Everybody's all dead keen on cracking down on criminals, until it's their own wee bit of criminality involved.

[rainman]

Fair enough. If you earn $100k a week as a criminal, and get hurt - I don't want ACC subsidising that income!

Farkinell, if you can earn $100k a week.... I wanna be a criminal! (Is that what they pay bankers these days... ?)

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

If we moved to that sort of model, where do you draw the line? You've listed relatively "high-risk" leisure activities which are relatively uncontroversial. I'm happy in principle for them that likes track days to pay for their risks directly, but then what about home DIY, or gardening? Before you know it we would have cover only for work activities, and have to pay for everything else. And work will weasel out of whatever they can to keep their premiums down, blame it on your outside of work activities. (A mate injured his shouder at work and his employer tried to blame the fact that his bike has ape-hangers... this shit happens all the time in the pursuit of profits).

So the ACC bill might drop, but I'd bet the overall cost to all of us would go up, and the service would go down - more jurisdictions means more finger-pointing, more stuff falling in the cracks. Don't buy into the bullshit that government is always bad - there's good evidence that ACC is effectively run. ACC's a Good Thing and we would be stupid to allow it to be fucked over by the arseholes currently in Wellington.

these offences: (won't open in Firefox I have discovered) http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/pub...mary_resel&p=1

Works in FF3.5 for me. Some interesting offences there... bigamy, yeah I can see how that could get you injured.

Everybody's all dead keen on cracking down on criminals, until it's their own wee bit of criminality involved.

Oh stop being so sensible! It's far more fun to get all righteous about the evils of subsidising THEM. (Dole bludgers, crims, ... Insert beat-up of the week here...)

[McJim]

All I want to know is can I declare that I'm gonna commit crimes so I don't have to pay the fucken levies anymore?

I can then invest the momey in the health and disability insurance policy of MY choice and stick to their rules instead.

Might even get a no claims bonus for being safe.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

The main reason ACC won't go private is the government then can't touch that money to prop up the rest of the welfare funds...

I have no issue it being privitised nor do I have any issue if it is gooberment run, as long as if it run and done fairly, and at present it isn't... the no fault system is flawed and well a few of the other issues need sorting...

[gatch]

I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy).

The knob, or the whole thing ?

[JimO]

i got my rego reminder in the post today $398 for a deisel hilux, $303 is acc levy

[Ixion]

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Btw, I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy). ...

Sigh. And throughout the land , broom cupboard doors are furtively opening. Followed a little later by embarrased whispers in A&E departments.

Don't you think the hospital system is overlaoded enough already without you putting out a challenge like that ?

(BTW - does anyone know if vacuum cleaners have standard pipe sizes? Or are some smaller than others? Just asking, like. IN case Mrs I wants a new vacuum cleaner. Or something)

[SARGE]

i have claimed ACC ONCE since i have been in NZ ... and that was just for the A&E .. havnt used Physio ever (wimps .. walk it off!) so i think im in for a no claims discount


Drink Driving should be a sue-able offense with no ACC cover ( youre shitfaced. you cause a crash and hurt someone..it should be ok to sue your ass back to the stone age, take your shit and leave you living in a box down by the river and living on a steady diet of Government Cheese)



breaking into my house while my family is there .. yea .. let ACC pay for the Funeral .. but in a chip-board coffin...


in the U.S.. all t he emergency departments a legally required to do is STABILIZE you ( stop bleeding, pump your stomach etc.. )

before they treat you .. you are handed a clipboard with an insurance policy number or Visa/ Mastercard number request... no lie..

[oldrider]

Of course that's how it happened! Vacuuming the privates wasn't mentioned was it.....?

Btw, I'd love to see any bloke who claimed to be too big to fit into a vacuum cleaner pipe! (even with a stiffy). Although I guess it's possible judging by some things I've accidentally seen when dodgy web sites have jumped up inexplicably on my computer.

Hey, be careful there, "curiosity" can be very bad for a pussy's health, life threatening even!

Think of the trouble it (curiosity) could get a princess into! (inexplicably or not)

[kunoichi]

IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME!! Geez, talk about encouraging crime by allowing them to claim ACC during the act! WTF!!??

[jrandom]

The point was made earlier in this thread that it will only be lump sums and income replacement that will no longer be available to criminals, not cover for medical treatment.

Does anyone have any references to confirm or deny that?

in the U.S.. all t he emergency departments a legally required to do is STABILIZE you ( stop bleeding, pump your stomach etc.. )

before they treat you .. you are handed a clipboard with an insurance policy number or Visa/ Mastercard number request... no lie..

Yeah. And y'know, Sarge, there are people who think that that's not the way a country's healthcare system should work.

(Including, it seems, the current President.)

Just sayin'.

[yungatart]

Yes, but the ACC bill would drop like a stone if you forced people doing stuff like track days, mountain climbing and especially playing rugby to take out personal insurance...

Rugby players pay ACC levies through their club subscriptions....as do soccer, hockey, netball players etc.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Here's a wee thought for some of you.

You're sitting on y' verandah, on a nice summer's evening, smoking a joint, as some do.

I don't smoke pot... I Have no problem

[Pixie]

Fuck ACC

I could get full accident cover for way less than the $1500+ per year that I pay to ACC

And if you are too stupid to insure yourself,tough