Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[kwaka_crasher]

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...%20crashes.pdf

Table 33 and 34.

I was wrong too. Fatalities are about 40% cornering related, not 50%.

But that's 40% of ALL fatal crashes, regardless of fault. And only 25% of ALL injury crashes occur on corners. There is no information as to how many of those 40% and 25% were single vehicle accidents.

Liars, damn liars and statisticians.

[rosie631]

I rang the Motor Registration Centre in Palmy today.......I asked what was the minimum time you can reg a bike for if the rego is on hold. "You can specify a time and there is no lower limit". So, I'm going to put our bikes on hold for the darker six months of the year (say June-Nov) and if an event comes up and the weather looks good just rego' the bikes for a few days.

It might be a pain but worth it for the savings. Fuck 'em.

Might even do it for the V8 now too.

When I've tried this in the past I have found that if you try and re register within 3 months of putting rego on hold they will ping you back to the date you put it on hold. e.g. if you put on hold for 12 months then need to re register after 2months you will be charged for the 2 months that is was already on hold. Dunno if that makes sense. Bit hard to explain.

[rosie631]

Also I'm pretty sure that if a vehicle has been on hold, when you re register you have to do it for a minimum of 3 months. Don't worry the fuckers will get you whichever way you turn. I'm just sticking mine on hold for 12 months and take the risk.

[rosie631]

I rang the Motor Registration Centre in Palmy today.......I asked what was the minimum time you can reg a bike for if the rego is on hold. "You can specify a time and there is no lower limit". So, I'm going to put our bikes on hold for the darker six months of the year (say June-Nov) and if an event comes up and the weather looks good just rego' the bikes for a few days.

It might be a pain but worth it for the savings. Fuck 'em.

Might even do it for the V8 now too.

Oops, sorry, just re read your post. I was told that too - no lower limit - but when I went to reregister the 'system' wouldn't process it for anything less that 3 months. Otherwise would be awesome, have bike on permanent hold and just register for the day each weekend.

[Swoop]

Seeing the look on Cagers faces while we shut down main roads - Priceless

There are some things you cant do in a cage. For everything else, There's motorbikes. "

Using the term "cagers" will get you blank looks. They don't know the meaning of the word.

Then the scabs like council parking wardens will pounce for no rego as well!

How will they know who the bike belongs to if you do not have a plate...

In 2007, ... cyclists ... and 699 suffered minor injuries ...

What? Lycra chafe??

[k2w3]

And how do you prove to the towing company the bike is yours after they've towed it?

[dipshit]

But that's 40% of ALL fatal crashes, regardless of fault. And only 25% of ALL injury crashes occur on corners. There is no information as to how many of those 40% and 25% were single vehicle accidents.

Liars, damn liars and statisticians.

So how many motorcyclists failing to take a corner accidents are car driver's fault..?

[peasea]

Oops, sorry, just re read your post. I was told that too - no lower limit - but when I went to reregister the 'system' wouldn't process it for anything less that 3 months. Otherwise would be awesome, have bike on permanent hold and just register for the day each weekend.

I do understand what you're saying and it makes me want to clarify things with the MRC. I'll take the time to do that in writing. Meanwhile, I will rego the machines for as long as possible under the current regime (or is that Reich?) and perhaps just take a punt when we're on hold next year. As many have stated, 200 bucks is probably worth the gamble but I will warn everyone;

I was privvy to a sheet of paper a while back showing the number of times my number plate had been checked (half a dozen or more) by police and I think only once was I stopped. The rest were 'rolling' checks as I was riding. They know if the bike is reported stolen and if you're rego'd and WOF'd before they pull you, if they pull you.

[peasea]

So how many motorcyclists failing to take a corner accidents are car driver's fault..?

You're right. Let he who is without sin and all that....many riders are their own worst enemy and possibly ours too.

[Ixion]

If you put the rego on hold (minimum is three months) and then want to licence it within the first three months, you have to pay backdated to when you put it on hold.

Once the three months is up, you can licence it for an period, a day if you want, there is no minimum.

But you have to get to the three month line .

[k2w3]

Ixion, if you do choose a day, then it's "off" again for a further 3-month minimum?

[Ixion]

Correct. That's the problem. Each time you licence it , you have to restart the process.

(unless the bike is over 40 years old)

[k2w3]

Then I think this is where the Govt are going to come unstuck. Bottom line is that they need more cash. If they'd upped the levies by a reasonable amount, there would have been little complaint. By announcing these over-the-top changes I think even moderate law-abiding riders are now looking for clever ways of avoiding the charges, to the point where even breaking the law is looking like a worthwhile option.

This will, of course, lower the overall tax take.

[reofix]

Stop making so many claims on your insurance and the premiums go down ... this whole angry reaction is just head in sand stuff... keep the bugger upright and your premiums will go down ( and mine too!!)

[dpex]

I wonder if Key and his lot are playing a very clever game; ergo, make hugely controversial statements, attack a small group with Bunker-bomb, then sit back and wait for the screams. This then paves the way for an ever-so-reasonable reassessment of proposals, prefaced of course with, 'The fact is we have to do something to turn the tide of the ACC shortfall.'

You will notice, of course, that no mention is being made of the fact that ACC itself lost billions by investing our insurance money in dodgy overseas corporations.

I have noticed a number of commentators suggest the new charges are still excellent buck-bangs compared to....car travel, trains, buses, carparks, et al.

THAT IS NOT THE POINT!

The point is we bikers are being used in a clever, cynical way to pave the road for dramatic reductions in ACC payments across the board.

$10k for remembered sexual molestation? No proof required? $10k for rape. No proof required. $5k for a lopped off finger? Full medical cover for a rugby injury?

It would be interesting to learn how many folk developed back-problems of such severity, prior to ACC beginning, as opposed to now.

Somewhere in Smith's speeches regarding this issue he asserted ACC had become an extension of social welfare.

And so it has. It is this issue which they are wishing to clear out. To do so they need loads of rage to be displayed by those about to be put-upon unreasonably.

Only then can they decently recant and go after the real targets....The bludgers and the undeserving.

So, let's help them with their plan by doing what Minto and his lot did back in '81.

For 56 days in July, August and September 1981, New Zealanders were divided against each other in the largest civil disturbance seen since the 1951 waterfront dispute. More than 150,000 people took part in over 200 demonstrations in 28 centres, and 1500 were charged with offences stemming from these protests.

Sure, they didn't stop the tour but they did stop any further sporting contact with South Africa till apartheid was dismantled.

I was there, in Sandringham Rd, when Ross Meurant's lot, The Red Squad, attacked.

Woooo! What a rumble, and all for folk most Kiwis had never met.

But the fact was, 150,000 Kiwis demanded their voices were heard.

And so, first up is to find out exactly how much road-bikers contribute to ACC costs. Then match that against other contributors who pay no specific ACC. Then start the protests but not on behalf of just bikers, but all others who are being put upon due to ACC payment excess, ACC mismanagement, and ACC bludgers.

That way we would get the disaffected motorists (those we hold up on every motorway, every weekday for 51 days) to buy into the fact that all ordinary folk are being ruthlessly and baselessly penalised for the malfaction of others.