The firearm thread

**Wolf** · 16th October 2009, 09:47

Originally Posted by jono035

It's a PPK renamed to PP7 due to licensing BS I'd imagine. Really common thing to do in games.

I know, also occurs in Chinese knock-off softair guns.

With the games, you'd think that the manufacturers would appreciate a little free advertising for their products. "Man, I really want to get me a Heckler and Koch MP5K - I seriously kick arse with that in Soldier of Negotiable Affection IV!"

**jono035** · 16th October 2009, 13:03

Originally Posted by Wolf

I know, also occurs in Chinese knock-off softair guns.

With the games, you'd think that the manufacturers would appreciate a little free advertising for their products. "Man, I really want to get me a Heckler and Koch MP5K - I seriously kick arse with that in Soldier of Negotiable Affection IV!"

Yeah, the original ruger target pistols vs the .22/45 are what I was talking about. I prefer my .22/45 as well, but the originals aren't that bad, I've spent a lot of time playing with both.

You do get used to it a bit, but then I went and bought a .22/45...

As for the advertising in games, I imagine that could easily end up going both ways... I know I was quite dismissive of the Desert Eagle until I had a chance to have a play with one simply because it was the 'Counter-Strike' pistol to me...

**Wolf** · 16th October 2009, 14:01

Originally Posted by jono035

I know I was quite dismissive of the Desert Eagle until I had a chance to have a play with one simply because it was the 'Counter-Strike' pistol to me...

You're kidding me, that pistol had the best advertising! 2 words: Lara Croft

**jono035** · 16th October 2009, 14:17

Originally Posted by Wolf

You're kidding me, that pistol had the best advertising! 2 words: Lara Croft

Yeah, but the wrong kind of advertising for it to be taken seriously really.

**Wolf** · 16th October 2009, 15:12

Originally Posted by jono035

Yeah, but the wrong kind of advertising for it to be taken seriously really.

Was joking, dude.

In one of my gun mags, there's this advert for some rifle made by a company I've never heard of - it features a chic wearing a bikini and holding the rifle.

A few pages later, there's a H&K ad showing their rifle, hunting belt and some ammunition. The H&K logo was prominent, the text minimal - basic specs and available calibres.

No question of the quality of the no-name rifle if it needs some chic in a bikini to get people to notice it. All H&K felt they needed was their name and a pic of the rifle amid some common hunting-related stuff.

As far as I'm concerned, H&K are quite right, that's all they need.

If it needs sex to make it seem interesting, I don't tend to take it seriously

**jono035** · 16th October 2009, 15:14

Originally Posted by Wolf

Was joking, dude.

In one of my gun mags, there's this advert for some rifle made by a company I've never heard of - it features a chic wearing a bikini and holding the rifle.

A few pages later, there's a H&K ad showing their rifle, hunting belt and some ammunition. The H&K logo was prominent, the text minimal - basic specs and available calibres.

No question of the quality of the no-name rifle if it needs some chic in a bikini to get people to notice it. All H&K felt they needed was their name and a pic of the rifle amid some common hunting-related stuff.

As far as I'm concerned, H&K are quite right, that's all they need.

If it needs sex to make it seem interesting, I don't tend to take it seriously

Yeah, definitely. When you see the same approach for variable frequency motor drives or power factor correction units then it really makes you cringe too!

JDK · 17th October 2009, 10:56

Heres a good question

ok i got the brass in from the USA so now have my hands on a heap of 12 G shotgun shells realy flash looking as there don't have a crimp any ideas on how to glue an over shot card in
some have said hot gule gun but just tryed it on a bit of card and hacksaw blade glue did not stick too well to steel some have also said nail polish ummm kinda keep that for going out HAHAHAHA ..
seems to need to be a strong but brittle glue that will stick but when hit hard will snap off the brass case in the USA they use a glue call elmers (?? think a brand name )

any ideas maybe just a coat of varnish would do it
thanks
JDK

**jono035** · 17th October 2009, 11:14

Originally Posted by JDK

Heres a good question

ok i got the brass in from the USA so now have my hands on a heap of 12 G shotgun shells realy flash looking as there don't have a crimp any ideas on how to glue an over shot card in
some have said hot gule gun but just tryed it on a bit of card and hacksaw blade glue did not stick too well to steel some have also said nail polish ummm kinda keep that for going out HAHAHAHA ..
seems to need to be a strong but brittle glue that will stick but when hit hard will snap off the brass case in the USA they use a glue call elmers (?? think a brand name )

any ideas maybe just a coat of varnish would do it
thanks
JDK

Wax? Might be better off trying to form a 'pellet' of wax in the end rather than glue around the edges?

Could be quite a bastard to stick to if the brass has any residue on it or a little bit of polish etc...

JDK · 17th October 2009, 14:07

yea some have said wax but as it cools it srinks so pulls away from the edge some have said the glue ya stick arrows together with but kinda pricey ..

banged off an email to holdfast to see what they think as well

from what i can work out the glue they use in the USA tends to dry hard so cracks not like PVA or rubbery glues HAHAHA the fella in the hardwear store was buggered to he thought gutter sealer may work

JDK

**The Pastor** · 17th October 2009, 14:54

Originally Posted by JDK

yea some have said wax but as it cools it srinks so pulls away from the edge some have said the glue ya stick arrows together with but kinda pricey ..

banged off an email to holdfast to see what they think as well

from what i can work out the glue they use in the USA tends to dry hard so cracks not like PVA or rubbery glues HAHAHA the fella in the hardwear store was buggered to he thought gutter sealer may work

JDK

wont just a normal super glue work?

JDK · 17th October 2009, 16:31

Ummmmm not sure asking around as much as i can from what i can work out the overshot card needs to be held in well eneff so ya shot dose not fall out and can take a bang and a crash in boxes ammo belt etc etc also not jump when the first barrel is fired ..
hold the shot back a bit while the fire behind it gets going and then snaps off the brass wall hopefully cleanly so cases eazy to scrub up for reloading
cool looking cases tho make good wee shooter glasses fer a few wee JD's at days end
JDK

**jono035** · 17th October 2009, 17:25

I'd think superglue is probably too brittle, it's also pretty lame strengthwise sticking to metal... There are some silicones and acrylic based sealants/adhesives that you could use to 'pot' the end but I have no idea what they would leave in your barrel or on the edge of the cartridges...

Could try using enough hot glue to 'pot' the end, so it doesn't really have to stick to the metal all that much, that would mean it would have to shear off rather than pull off, may not be any better though...

How thick is the brass? any chance you could get a groove cut in the end somehow to provide a locking recess for something gluey... Probably too much of a bastard to do and wouldn't be much of a lip...

get some thin cork sheet and use a slightly belled and sharpened case as a punch to make a sealing plug? Probably too flimsy...

need something like a cast lead disk that you cast oversize, stick in the freezer then expands in the end for a shrink-fit... lead would be terrible though, a flipping disk of lead would piss off in some random direction and be a major bloody hazard... Something light that shrinks nicely when cold...

some kind of putty or plaster? don't know how well that would stick to metal either though... blu-tack sticks well but would work its way loose...

An epoxy glue like araldite would stick but you'd never get it off...

The expanding foam stuff can be good, sticks like shit to a blanket and dissolves in acetone... Don't think acetone would do anything to brass...

Edit: Brass case shotglass... you got any of these things to spare??

**Mr Merde** · 18th October 2009, 09:32

Originally Posted by JDK

Heres a good question

ok i got the brass in from the USA so now have my hands on a heap of 12 G shotgun shells realy flash looking as there don't have a crimp any ideas on how to glue an over shot card in
some have said hot gule gun but just tryed it on a bit of card and hacksaw blade glue did not stick too well to steel some have also said nail polish ummm kinda keep that for going out HAHAHAHA ..
seems to need to be a strong but brittle glue that will stick but when hit hard will snap off the brass case in the USA they use a glue call elmers (?? think a brand name )

any ideas maybe just a coat of varnish would do it
thanks
JDK

To start with the wad should be 11 gauge.
If fact all the wadding should be 11 gauge.

Super glue works fine as does a silicon sealant.

Talking to other shooters wh use these they have found that ordinary woodworkers PVA glue works really well.

I have 50 of these cases

and enough wads etc from Circle Fly to load about 3000.