Make cyclists register their cycles and pay ACC

[Tink]

Was suggested with tongue firmly in cheek...

Fair enough

[Sanx]

A friend got hit on a bike by a bird

Tax pigeons.

[wickle]

A few years ago my son on his bicycle was hit by a car who failed to giveway on a giveway sign while I believe he was talking on a cellphone,was not charge to my knowledge. so once again Accicent caused my car driver.

[rocketman1]

This is exactly what the government is doing to us bikers is what we are doing to the cyclists.
Cherry picking is all the ACC have done, they cannot pick out one group and ping them as the big ogre in the ACC loss. If they are going to do this, they need to pick all other high risk groups, and grade everyone appropriately.
Dont just pick on one group, (just not fair)
Privatize the whole scheme those that have a bad record pay more, just like insurance.
Some old dude who has been riding for 40 years without an accident , why should he pay (subsidise) a young crazy whose fallen off his bike regularly.
Dont pick on cyclists, if you do you are becoming as bad as the government.
Scrap ACC altogether.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

This is exactly what the government is doing to us bikers is what we are doing to the cyclists.

Correct hence our fundamental arguement we have to use is "No Faults" else where does it end...

There is enough money gathered every year to cover all accidents... if their is not finger pointing at all ie all road vehicles pay the same acc, then the "No faults" should work, as long as we don't start complaing we we see a pay out to another minority or something stupid...

[Tink]

Tax pigeons.

Out Miranda way.. more like idiot pigeons !!!

A few years ago my son on his bicycle was hit by a car who failed to giveway on a giveway sign while I believe he was talking on a cellphone,was not charge to my knowledge. so once again Accicent caused my car driver.

And so it should be that you can claim, and them should pay!! Its a confusing system .. sadly

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Privatize the whole scheme those that have a bad record pay more, just like insurance.
Some old dude who has been riding for 40 years without an accident , why should he pay (subsidise) a young crazy whose fallen off his bike regularly.
Dont pick on cyclists, if you do you are becoming as bad as the government.
Scrap ACC altogether.

I would like to know why ACC was put in place, and which govt put it there?

and

Well yes they could scrap ACC, but cyclists do ride ALL OVER THE ROAD, and expect us to sit behind them, they can account for some accidents, even tho in america they WOULD most definitely not be at fault.

There is enough money gathered every year to cover all accidents...

so why the ACC changes.. ?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

so why the ACC changes.. ?

Scare mongering, alternative agenda, money grabbing... list goes on

[sport-cruzer?]

We need to stop attacking sports and other road users and concentrate on the gross mismanagement within the ACC system. What are we paying idiots like Nick Smith for exactly?

Down here in nelson the ACC has subsidised motorcycle safety courses run by the counsel, They are stopping this because ACC say they cant afford it now,
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE!!!

ACC have also stopped funding the police booze bus so it no longer travels to Blenheim and the west-coast.
I don't know why it was ACCs job to pay for this but apparently drunk drivers don't hurt people anymore.
PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE!!!

If ACC would stop paying stupid things like 10 follow-up visits to a physeo' for a sprained ankle that was sorted after 2 or paying specialists $400 just to write a referral then perhaps they wouldn't be in the mess they are in now.

ACC needs to be as careful with our money as we need to be!

[bo-nz]

how about 0.5-1% charge on all eftpos/visa etc transactions to everyone, including tourists(e.g. spend $200 pay $1-2) on each transaction. Would this cover ACC?? It then would cover most people including pedistrans, cyclists, and anyone that uses the roads, plays a sport etc. Then everyone could have more of a right to claim ACC when needed.

Just an idea. Oh and also like the no claims bonus.

[Marmoot]

Sorry - I disagree. Wouldn't surprise me if the govt. came up with their idea INTENDING that we propose to hit bicycles. Bicycles should be free - it is our goddam right to ride a bicycle and the govts responsibility to fix us when we fall - we pay high taxes right!

And why can't we replace "bicycles" with "motorcycles" in that sentence?

[modboy]

I wonder if the Government has even considered making cyclists register their cycles as a more equitable way of funding ACC. Thousands of cyclists use our roads on a daily basis, and the numbers are increasing rapidly, but they pay nothing. They do, however, cause accidents, get hit by cars and claim ACC, and consistently break road rules without any punishment.

The Government could charge them a nominal fee of say $50 per year to register their cycles. This would raise ACC revenue, make them abide by the road rules, and even create a little extra work for the post office.

Main reason it won't happen. Unenforceable!

By the same token we should make people with skil saws register them and pay a nominal fee, while we are at it, people with ladders (very common cause of household accident picked up by ACC).

All ladders must be registered. And kids scooters while we are at it.

Skateboards ! This is a four wheeled vehicle which is responsible for nasty accidents, broken arms, head injuries etc etc. They should all be registered and their owners have to pass a basic skills course before they are allowed to be ridden on the street.

So where do you stop?

[twotyred]

this is exactly what the government is doing to us bikers is what we are doing to the cyclists.
Cherry picking is all the acc have done, they cannot pick out one group and ping them as the big ogre in the acc loss. If they are going to do this, they need to pick all other high risk groups, and grade everyone appropriately.
Dont just pick on one group, (just not fair)
privatize the whole scheme those that have a bad record pay more, just like insurance.
Some old dude who has been riding for 40 years without an accident , why should he pay (subsidise) a young crazy whose fallen off his bike regularly.
Dont pick on cyclists, if you do you are becoming as bad as the government.
Scrap acc altogether.

+1 .......

[Angusdog]

Scrap ACC altogether.

Not a good idea. ACC is a superb scheme, whereby we don't need to sue someone after an accident. They provide car and income support on a no fault basis. Without them, you could be suing a 16 year old with no money. We need ACC.

It's just that motorcyclists are already targeted by ACC in the levy on registration. It's a very blunt tool, and they're looking to use it as a softening up exercise. We'll probably end up paying about $500 without a capacity limit, I imagine (if motorcyclists protest enough).

I think the public really need to know that it's unfair on motorcyclists, and an attack on the general freedom of all New Zealanders. This, if passed in its current state, could be used to argue for higher ACC levies on risky activities, such as rugby and bicycle riders. So they should be concerned, and they shouldn't support it.

We just need the public to realise this is unfair and an attack on personal freedom (sounds a bit like the same argument against motorcycle helmets, so we need to be careful here). We need to show that most serious motorcyclists have thousands of dollars in protective gear, that we're not suicidal, we're just like them - mountain bikers, horse riders, rugby players - and yet we're getting tagged. We need unity, not trying to divert the attack onto another group. The end result would be Helen Clarke's dream of a risk-free nanny state.

[Tezz]

Main reason it won't happen. Unenforceable!

What do you mean unenforceable? They make us register our bikes, and they enforce it, don't they? A very small plastic registration at the back of the bicycle, just under the seat would be enough.

I hear lots and lots of ranting like "we should register ladders." "Where will it stop?" etc etc. And to some degree I agree, but we have two choices here, either we scrap ACC altogether (privatise it), which is actually my preference, or we make it more equitable.

The problem with all Government run programs, is the fact that they all fail; they end up costing us more, and the ACC is a classic example of this. Each year it keeps costing us more and each year we get less and less in return. The present ACC is nothing like what it was when it first started.

The problem in this country is we have two socialist governments. One which is center left (National) and the other which is left of centre left (Labour), and do you honestly believe National has the balls to privatise anything at the moment. They would prefer just to pick out a small bunch like us and make us pay, because, realistically speaking, no one except us really cares. Do you think car drivers care that we have to pay more?

However, we can give them suggestions where they could raise funds and make things a bit more equitable.

[modboy]

So... what your gonna have cops booking 4 yr olds cos they don't have their barbie bike with trainer wheels registered.

I guess you'd then whinge and moan that cops are chasing kids on unregistered bikes when they should be catching crims.

You need to take a "Get Real" pill !!!