BIKEOI Wellington

[Jacknz]

just let me know when and where

[Ixion]

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One question he asked is 'what is your organisation'

I say we run this a KIWIBIKER but I cant make that call - thats a community decision and maybe some copyright as well etc blah blah- advice please!!!

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This always comes up with cops, councils and the like. they really hate dealing with anyone that isn't an "official" organisation. Like a club, association etc, with elected officers and such like. Which KB isn't.

I'm hoping that BRONZ will agree to be the "official face" to satisfy such people , but BRONZ can't actually organise the regional events (BRONZ doesn't even exist in Wellington) .

[sinfull]

All well noted points mate

BUT
The regional ride doesnt have to be Parliament as its target, we can save that for the 5000 bike National effort, however that efforts a long way off with the level of planning that needs, and something needs to happen sooner or the issue will slide out of sight

And again it's why were discussing it...no one has commited to anything except
A: a Local effort needed soon and
B: a National effort involving BRONZ and other org's needs to happen

Chill bro, we aint gonna go off half cocked, were just planning what/where/when/HOW and thats gotta start somewhere

I would like to hold a meeting at say the Parrot (everyone knows it and owner is biker friendly) where we can talk it over IN PERSON

Maybe Thrusday night, after BRONZ has had its Wednesday meeting?

Who in Welly would attend?

Think about where any national Bikeoi is going to finish !

We here on KB think we are all there is in the biking community, well we aint !
Nor is bronze, Most other Orgs like Ullyssy's will be waiting to see what Bronze have to say before deciding what they organise !
The patch clubs will be waiting to see what bronze do !! Dont even for a minute think there wont be a thousand patch members riding into the city on any Bikeoi !
Bronze may not even recognise any co-ordination any on KB have done !
All we can do is co-ordinate any KBers to meeting points to Join the protest !

What ive seen on any polls on here asking what day the bikeoi should be on, what a hundred 150 replies ? Hello !!!!
Ixion has got you fellas all going Rah Rah Rah lets march on parliment (good on him ! maybe !)
A regional ride from a bunch of kiwi bikers will look silly mate and do fuck all !
Wellington is where any bikeoi will arrive !!!
Lets not spoil the show by doing a pathetic one and getting anyone like Bronze, ullyses or any others who will make up the majority of the protest, off side !!!
Sure do a few gatherings with placards etc to try and get joe public on side but anything other than that will blow the thunder of the big protest !

[StoneY]

Destination for LOCAL Bikoi (eg smaller protest)

Sinny makes a good point, Parliament can only be effectively targeted by the NATIONAL BIKOI

So

I suggest, (and its just a suggestion) ACC National HQ on Molesworth Street

We could have the block between ACC and Police HQ shut down for our arrival, and close it for an hour while singing outside ACC (Koombyaaaahhh?)

There are alternative routes around that area so minimal traffic disruption, suitable target and we PASS Parliamnet getting there!!

I am also trying to arrange suitable venue for Thrusday Night to have a meeting which no less than Inspector Peter Baird, regional top Traffic Cop is willing to attend with us to advise on whats legal, how HIS police officers can suuport us, and other factors

Thinking Parrot and Jigger, but yet to get permission from managment there

The ball is rolling peoples we need to keep it moving while not tripping ourselves over, and Sinny mate your pints have been not just noted but trully taken to heart, good advice there bro

[James Deuce]

Hang on a minute. This is a separate "Bikoi"?

I thought we were discussing how we would be linking up to the National one, and Ixion was asking for voluteers to do that very thing, not organise splinter actions.

Stay focussed. There is nothing to be gained from multiple actions except the disdain of other road users right when we need their support.

[325rocket]

god this hurts ...

Hang on a minute. This is a separate "Bikoi"?

I thought we were discussing how we would be linking up to the National one, and Ixion was asking for voluteers to do that very thing, not organise splinter actions.

Stay focussed. There is nothing to be gained from multiple actions except the disdain of other road users right when we need their support.

he is right.

the only way to get good media coverage is to have one "Bikoi" making its way down (and up) the country to wellington.

[Bend-it]

Hmmm, I would tend to agree... I think the smaller actions should take different forms, like the public education thing, or drive in and taking up lots of carparks etc.

That keeps the pressure up, but doesn't take any thunder away from the national bikoi

[StoneY]

Right from Page ONE I have been of the belief there would be:

Regional efforts, and
ONE big National effort

The National effort cant possibly be put together in such a short time span
There is simply not enough time

To try and have a Nationwide effort happen on the same day, is going to be a very VERY difficult thing to arrange in this period of the year

My opinion anyway

[James Deuce]

I simply don't support that stance. It sends a number of mixed messages, none of which are a good thing IMO.

I'm surprised that BRONZ would countenance the dilution of effort, because you will have people under the impression that they've "done their bit" if there are multiple protests and that runs the risk of diluting the "big one".

The "Big One" HAS to happen before the 10th of November or it is pointless, again IMO.

[Bald Eagle]

I simply don't support that stance. It sends a number of mixed messages, none of which are a good thing IMO.

I'm surprised that BRONZ would countenance the dilution of effort, because you will have people under the impression that they've "done their bit" if there are multiple protests and that runs the risk of diluting the "big one".

The "Big One" HAS to happen before the 10th of November or it is pointless, again IMO.

Agree it would be great to have THE BIG ONE before November 10th ( and I hope we do )

I also don't think we should discourage regional activity and the objection to regional activity in Wellington seems to be IMHO because that's also the target of the BIG ONE. some people may only be available for a Regional activity.

[Pedrostt500]

I agree that the National Bikeoi's destination should be Parliment. We effectivly have 4 weeks to get it sorted thats counting the rest of this week as well, so time is not on our side, yes it would be nice to have the support of the full spectrum of motorcycling, as the ACC Levy's directly, indirectly affects them all.
Sitting around waiting for other motorcycle organisations to make up their minds, is some thing that we do not have the Luxury of time to wait for, I know it is a Kiwi tradition to wait and see what every one else does, But there are times when a small group just has to stand up and take the lead.
Other organisations may come up with another plan, or even a better plan, but there is alot that we can do, that can get the ball rolling.
The 10th of November is to late, I belive that the 5th / 6th November would be best suited for any action.
Please note that this is my point of view, and I'm only speaking for myself.

[Ixion]

Agree it would be great to have THE BIG ONE before November 10th ( and I hope we do )

I also don't think we should discourage regional activity and the objection to regional activity in Wellington seems to be IMHO because that's also the target of the BIG ONE. some people may only be available for a Regional activity.

I agree. Especially since the National BIKOI looks likely to be midweek.

There's a judgement call here between not having lots of little ineffective actions that just look silly,on the one hand, and on the other concentrating so much on one big grand initiative, that people who can take part in the latter feel excluded, and the public think nothing is happening, on the other.

What we want is to keep up pressure on the politicians unless the BIG one is ready. Sort of like earthquakes, we want a steady series of rumbles and tremors, that make them worry about what and when the BIG one will be .

[StoneY]

Ok, another angle and we can discuss this Thursday in person

Create another local regional group, say (with permission) Kiwi Bikers against Levy Hikes (or such, someone coin a cool name)
And we do the small, hard yards to keep them all honest while we get the national one organized

Meantime its smoke and mirrors, we hit ACC offices, MPs offices, one semi large regional one as say a 'practice' run for the big BIKOI where we can test ride timings from outer wellington fringes (as a group etc see)

Use the small events to learn what we need for the BIG one

The BIG Bikoi still happens, and we disassociate the smaller actions which include one decent sized ride as a practice run.....

[davereid]

One question he asked is 'what is your organisation'

I don't think that question should be answered, as it can't be answered honestly.

We are just a group of individuals, we dont have an organisational structure, no clubrooms, chairman, bank account.

We don't by and large even know each others names !.

The internet has given us the power to discuss, and plan, without needing meetings, or a proper organisation.

I say "hey how about a ride to parly to tell we are pissed off"

In the old days, only the folk in the room heard.

Now everyone on KB, BRONZ, ULYSSES, etc etc etc all know.

Tell the police, there is no organisation, its just 50,000 bikers with email.

[Leviticus]

I don't think that question should be answered, as it can't be answered honestly.

We are just a group of individuals, we dont have an organisational structure, no clubrooms, chairman, bank account.

We don't by and large even know each others names !.

The internet has given us the power to discuss, and plan, without needing meetings, or a proper organisation.

I say "hey how about a ride to parly to tell we are pissed off"

In the old days, only the folk in the room heard.

Now everyone on KB, BRONZ, ULYSSES, etc etc etc all know.

Tell the police, there is no organisation, its just 50,000 bikers with email.

I whole heartedly agree