Data from ACC

[Imbray]

[QUOTE=Mikkel;1129476822]Do we actually have any insight as to how ACC gathers and processes the raw data which has been used to support the proposed increases?


I work in a Emergency dept were acc claims are lodged via internet, a motorbike is a motorbike ( on road acc paying, off road non acc paying eg trail) they don't wont to know it's just a MOTORBIKE, we all get lumped together Just as they don't collect data on if alcohol in involved with ANY claim .

A few years back ???7ish, our doc's did collect the data for a year - 80% of motorbike accidents that came thru were off road!!

If they won't more money why not go for alcohol, it would feature in a very large portion of the claims I see from DIC, fell down steps ( esp if wearing high heels),fights, could go on. I drink only on very rare occ, but even I have had a small claim due it ( should have cut the wood before the 2nd glass of wine)

[Ixion]

[QUOTE=Imbray;1129477456]

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A few years back ???7ish, our doc's did collect the data for a year - 80% of motorbike accidents that came thru were off road!!

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Are you able to share which hospital. By PM if you wish.

If we could obtain that "officially" it would be extremely useful.

[Genestho]

[QUOTE=Imbray;1129477456If they won't more money why not go for alcohol, it would feature in a very large portion of the claims I see from DIC, fell down steps ( esp if wearing high heels),fights, could go on. I drink only on very rare occ, but even I have had a small claim due it ( should have cut the wood before the 2nd glass of wine)[/QUOTE]



There is a proposal to cut entitlements for crims and drink driving associated crash claims.
Proposals addressing increasing levies for Motorcyclists suggests that clearly ACC has become a 'fault system', so on that note....

If we cut Funeral costs, lumps sums, 80% income supplements and some rehab, allowing for emergency service costs only.

Across regions in NZ - an average of 30% of all fatal and 19% of serious injury and 12% of minor injury vehicle crashes are alcohol related. (page 2)

This could potentially save millions.
AND re-enforce personal responsibility and culpability.
Drink, Drive, crash and maim yourself, our ACC levies ain't paying you for the pleasure of doing so.

[jeffs]

Talk about ACC confusing the issue, the subject of the data that was promised to BRONZ now seems to have moved to a completely different thread on kiwibiker from the BRONZ link on the home page.

I just commute, I don't own a leather jacket, I am not an old biker, or a member of a club, and I only go on kiwibiker occasionally. But I do ride my bike every single day of the year, rain, sun or hail. The only way I and many like me will ever find out about any protest event planned is to watch these forums. You will need the maximum number of riders you can muster to make any point. So as info and data becomes available can you please post it on you master thread, then others can also see it. Remember there are 106,000 registers bikes, and we will all have to pay more.

[Jantar]

Sigh. As expected.

They came through with a nice pdf report .

"ACC Motor Vehicle Account
2010/11 Technical Report on
Levy Setting Methodology
For Consultation"

I've emailed them back



I imagine something very much more forceful will be required on Monday.

Les, Could you post that pdf report on here and lets see if there's any part we can use.

[Ixion]

This is it.

I alreayd identiifed one VERY possible hole : looks like thye MIGHT have based their whole analysis of cc ratings only on crashes where the bike was to blame! Working on that

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

This is it.

I alreayd identiifed one VERY possible hole : looks like thye MIGHT have based their whole analysis of cc ratings only on crashes where the bike was to blame! Working on that

So it is already an At fault system

good find I say

[kb_SF1]

Les, I watched both your interviews on TV 1 & 3 and very well done, the ACC guy on TV 1 was struggling to find an aqnswer, you were prepared he was not. His media team probably got a reaming.

Thanks for the work you have done and for the ongoing work work you are committed to doing.

I have made an OIAR for info for the past 3 years, changes and impact of any changes on the figures. As I read it there were 491 motorcycle claims in 07/08 yr costing $7.2m (acc figures) yet it ballooned out to $62m in 08/09, something must of changed in the reporting methology or its all smoke & mirrors that will cost us.

The other thing that grinds is that if you have more than 1 bike registered & warrented you pay the acc levy for each.

[Jantar]

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I have made an OIAR for info for the past 3 years, changes and impact of any changes on the figures. As I read it there were 491 motorcycle claims in 07/08 yr costing $7.2m (acc figures) yet it ballooned out to $62m in 08/09, something must of changed in the reporting methology or its all smoke & mirrors that will cost us.......

That is the type of data we need, Can you post that data on here as well?

[Solly]

.....$10,000 must be ACC's estimate of the necessary collation and copying costs.

That figure is bloody inflated.....the same as the figure ACC arrived at regarding bike accident stats

[MarkH]

Do we actually have any insight as to how ACC gathers and processes the raw data which has been used to support the proposed increases?

My belief is that they have a member of staff who is able to read tea leaves.

[jeffs]

From the report: We believe the aggressive increase from 2005 to 2008 in average claim size was due to a number of rate increases to treatment providers with the introduction of Endorsed Provider Network (EPN) Physiotherapy contract.

So how much of the $62M is in Physiotherapy, which the ACC are now planning on not paying for anyway. This could be quite a bit of the money.

[Hitcher]

That figure is bloody inflated.....the same as the figure ACC arrived at regarding bike accident stats

Indeed. Most agencies generally only charge recidivist time wasters. We have a couple who routinely dog my current place of employ. It would greatly help if they asked for the stuff they actually wanted, rather than going on elaborate fishing expeditions.

[Pussy]

There is a proposal to cut entitlements for crims and drink driving associated crash claims.
Proposals addressing increasing levies for Motorcyclists suggests that clearly ACC has become a 'fault system', so on that note....

If we cut Funeral costs, lumps sums, 80% income supplements and some rehab, allowing for emergency service costs only.

Across regions in NZ - an average of 30% of all vehicle crashes are alcohol related.

This could potentially save millions.
AND re-enforce personal responsibility and culpability.
Drink, Drive, crash and maim yourself, our ACC levies ain't paying you for the pleasure of doing so.

And the sooner this happens, the better!

[Ixion]

Indeed. Most agencies generally only charge recidivist time wasters. We have a couple who routinely dog my current place of employ. It would greatly help if they asked for the stuff they actually wanted, rather than going on elaborate fishing expeditions.

but, but , but , the whole POINT is the fishing expedition. If I knew what I wanted, I wouldn't need to ask.