Promotional Ride with ACC

**PirateJafa** · 11th November 2009, 08:55

Originally Posted by firefighter

Or perhaps we could have the Adolf family sponsor a memorial to Jews? You know what I mean?

No.

Assuming that there were descendants (which there weren't), there is no reason to associate them with what ol' Adolf did. Just because they might be related doesn't mean that you should ignore what might have potentially been a lifetime of good work for worthy causes.

Your logic is flawed.

**firefighter** · 11th November 2009, 08:59

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

No.

Assuming that there were descendants (which there weren't), there is no reason to associate them with what ol' Adolf did. Just because they might be related doesn't mean that you should ignore what might have potentially been a lifetime of good work for worthy causes.

Your logic is flawed.

Fuck up

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**Taz** · 11th November 2009, 09:00

Can I turn up in shorts, singlet and jandals? I quite often take short trips in the summer in my shorts(no pun intended). Ain't crashed yet and I'm insured by ACC too.

**Ixion** · 11th November 2009, 09:00

OK.

Here's a nice question

What would be the repsonse/attitude of the ACC organisers, if a heap of riders turned up for it

BUT - all wearing the "easy target" shirts, and with bikes plastered with anti-levy placards ?

Serious question.

**Squiggles** · 11th November 2009, 09:03

Originally Posted by Ixion

Serious question.

Dunno, i'll ask on thursday

**PirateJafa** · 11th November 2009, 09:14

Originally Posted by firefighter

Fuck up

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Oh touché.

Such an eloquent and intelligent rebuttal, truly leaves me with no counter-argument. Well played, sir.

**The Stranger:Me** · 11th November 2009, 09:54

Originally Posted by Slyer

Why wouldn't we do this? I like ACC, I think it's a great system compared to how other countries have it. It could use a few tweaks but still...
We want to show that we support any efforts to improve motorcycle safety, it doesn't mean we support their new proposed levys. We want ACC to be our friends, not our enemies. (Even though certain sections are being very UNfriendly.)

As long as this is a ride to promote safety and not promote the levy hike, everyone should go.
We should be support rideforever whenever possible.

You guys pay for your own education now. You sould be going your supplier under the fair trading act I think.
Those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to repeat them.

Not only is this an age old tactic, but I would suggest that consider another age old tactic. Ask yourself what good can come of this, then ask yourself what bad can come of this.
The good - well I struggle to see any.
The bad - carefully exceuted by ACC you could provide the means for them to completely derail our objections - yes it is that serious.

Even if there is good that I have missed, what good can not be reclaimed by having this in 3 months?

Sure, ACC may be completely innocent in all of this and may not use it against you. But why would you take such an unnecessary risk is beyond me.

**Squiggles** · 11th November 2009, 10:01

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Even if there is good that I have missed, what good can not be reclaimed by having this in 3 months?

In 3 months is actually still on the cards, if it was to be soon we'd be looking around the 28th or 5th, if in 3 months then late feb... I'll find out tomorrow. If they havent got any new resources printed then i want to see it happen in feb

**wysper** · 11th November 2009, 10:47

Originally Posted by Ixion

OK.

Here's a nice question

What would be the repsonse/attitude of the ACC organisers, if a heap of riders turned up for it

BUT - all wearing the "easy target" shirts, and with bikes plastered with anti-levy placards ?

Serious question.

I was thinking that too. Will be interesting to hear their answer.

**motorbyclist** · 11th November 2009, 12:23

Originally Posted by The Stranger

You guys pay for your own education now. You sould be going your supplier under the fair trading act I think.
Those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to repeat them.

He's not a student, but I do agree anyway.

btw they had been talking to us about this looong before the levy announcement - so unless there's been some serious conspiracy work your theory isn't the case.

Regardless, I'd much rather do this post-december. The motorcycle community is pissed and with good reason, and even events like biketoberfest have become their own little PR disasters despite the fact that ACC support was organised many months before the levy proposal. Alledgedly some ACC staff have been assaulted since the proposal, which is why they weren't personally present at biketoberfest as planned (like they were at pink ribbon).
It may suck for the team organising this to be screwed through no fault of their own, but judging by the responses in this thread I'm not inclined to attend nor support what may be an impromptu protest.

**raster** · 11th November 2009, 20:52

I may attend if I'm available but I'll be leaving the posters on my bike.

I'm all for some of the work these beavers do against all odds with little thanks.

It's not their falt, and to talk to some of the insiders may make a difference.

The opinion of a supporter in the lunch room of a government department has been known to make a difference in the past

Do we boycot Ride Right Ride Safe because ACC have given some support?....runs and hide behind a rock

I know not much but "whos next".

**The Stranger:Me** · 11th November 2009, 21:14

Originally Posted by raster

Do we boycot Ride Right Ride Safe because ACC have given some support?....runs and hide behind a rock

I know not much but "whos next".

No need of a rock.
ACC's support for RRRS Auckland in the last 5 odd yrs has only ever been to try and get motorcyclists along, in that regard they are no different than HOG, SMC or Ulysses and various other groups. We have not recieved money or input from them other than to cover course fees (even then if i recall correctly that wasn't paid in cash, but in road codes).
You will also note that I'm not saying the proposal that is the subject of this thread is somehow wrong, only that it *could* be used against us and that with current timing it could cause us (as bikers) problems.
I am happy to take a bet that any ACC involvement with RRRS at this stage would be very carefully considered also.

The other thing to consider is, by all means boycot RRRS, we don't get paid and are non profit and hey, I can always use an extra Sunday each month thanks.

**MacD** · 11th November 2009, 21:25

Originally Posted by Squiggles

My thoughts exactly..... Henry's in contact with Magnetos too so we might have some scoots along from them

The media has never attended an event before, and we'll be riding almost the entire time. Should someone want a word re ACC it'll be along the lines of The hikes are a load of BS, how about some of the directors pay goes into accident prevention events like this.

I also think that it a very inappropriate time to be cooperating with ACC, irrespective of the good intentions of the RideforEver team.

It could easily be spun into a PR story demonstrating how not all motorcyclists oppose the levy increases. Remember ACC will employ very competent PR people. The current $77 a car registration campaign is no accident. It is a classic divide and conquer strategy.