Screw peaceful non-disruptive protest: Let's Cause Mayhem!

[idleidolidyll]

Yes,

like many I have made a submission and mailed my MP.

If the softly softly stuff doesn't work we either get tough or curl up and get screwed over.

I favour tough.

Yes, we DO have to make sure Mr and Mrs Joe and Joeline Public understand but they don't have to be behind us from the start: I believe the COVERAGE this is about will allow the moderates to repeatedly get the message across.
WE may not get a meeting with Nick or Johnny but we WILL bring attention to the debate.

Good valid argument tho, thanks

BTW: after only a couple of hours we have abt 10 starters in AKL via txt. This can work, tell your mates

[The Pastor]

well, your country's sucess rate with that is low

I knew america was full of idiots, but i didnt know they had bad hearts too

[The Pastor]

Yes,

like many I have made a submission and mailed my MP.

If the softly softly stuff doesn't work we either get tough or curl up and get screwed over.

I favour tough.

Yes, we DO have to make sure Mr and Mrs Joe and Joeline Public understand but they don't have to be behind us from the start: I believe the COVERAGE this is about will allow the moderates to repeatedly get the message across.
WE may not get a meeting with Nick or Johnny but we WILL bring attention to the debate.

Good valid argument tho, thanks

A thought that worries me - you and guns!

[idleidolidyll]

A thought that worries me - you and guns!

you'll be pleased to know then that i hate the damn things

i can use em but i'd rather nobody had em

[The Pastor]

you'll be pleased to know then that i hate the damn things

i can use em but i'd rather nobody had em

Bet you and chirs get on well then!

[Ixion]

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Has anyone started the NZ arm of MAG yet? If not then it's about bloody time.

Yes. But you don't approach them , they approach you.

And probably not likely to approach anyone who's going to freak out at the 'illegal' tag.

[Swoop]

I'd love to know how to clean a criminal record.

Do you have any tips to share?

Hot wash, rinse, dry...
Or wait the 7(?) years until they get removed from record.

[idleidolidyll]

Bet you and chirs get on well then!

we do actually and he knows what i think

'cept i told him off a while ago and i haven't heard from him since (no, i will not divulge)

is his zooki going yet?

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

One legal disruption I thought of was to start REALLY early in the AM and park one bike in every car parking spot in the main centers.As far as I'm aware its totally legal but would disrupt the central cities completely.

This is a cool extreamly disruptive plan that I'd be ahppy taking part in. Take it a stage further and do it a couple of days at a time over a week or two, can you imigine the disruption.

[Flip]

Get tough with the politicans. You know they are well politicans, if they are not out kissing babies they are stealing candy from then. They understand the political landscape in NZ and want a job in 2 years time.

We need the media and the public support, it doesent really matter what the rats in the beehive think, they will do what ever the public want, but the public don't know what they want, they learn from the front page of the news paper if they can read or the 6pm news. What we don't need at this stage is to see some thing like "Bikers bring central city to a stand still. Public outraged", this would be a no win situation for us bikers. ACC is turning into a big public PR liability right now for this National goverment. Did you see the poor paraplegic on the TV tonight? Tuesday is going to be a great time to show the public just how unpopular the ACC changes are, by getting us on the news and the front page of the paper.

Right now the Nats and ACC are on the back foot, they are going to take another hit on Tuesday. It's a bit like a game of poker at the moment. ACC started with a very strong hand and started to blame us for some of their problems. Their media relations people have underestimated the media backlash and the public are somewhat on our side. The public support is the only way we are going to win this. Keep your poker face on for a while yet and we will win this war.

As I said visit your MP and politely but firmly tell them what you think of them and their ACC plans.

You can also move your bike along one space every hour to tie up a whole city centre tied up for ages. Do this only if we get screwed over count me in.

[idleidolidyll]

Yes. But you don't approach them , they approach you.

And probably not likely to approach anyone who's going to freak out at the 'illegal' tag.

freak out?

tsh tsh such an emotive term

i prefer 'controlled aggression'

don't get silly on us ixion, keep it civilised

btw: do ya really think i'd be upset not to get a call?

geez mate! i've made my position clear and bronz does NOT represent all motorcyclists in NZ

that is your way, this is ours

i'm not waiting until the week after it happens to get serious

[idleidolidyll]

Found this on another thread, some good ideas indeed

posted by jeffs:

I suggest we start by very slow riding in close circles around the bus depots, in such a way as it makes it impossible for buses to
get out. Hit the commuter, but not the one driving the car. This will have several effects. It show the people that we don't want to be in
our cars adding to the congestion. Getting us off our bikes, wont make us move to public transport. If you hold up the cars, people
may move to public transport, which is exactly one of their plans. Given the latest bus problems, such a thing would get good news cover

[Cr1MiNaL]

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If you're not at least PREPARED to play hardball, the softball approach is likely to fail.

Totally agree, if your not ready to take up arms all the threats of 6000 bikes showing up at Parliament etc are useless, so what one day of traffic jam = so many million dollars a year more, I'd take that hit if I were Nick.

but isnt the ultimate agenda to have fewer bikes on the road, if we piss everyone off, how is that going to help? Illegal acitivties get bikes taken off us.... look at the boy racers in christchurch, they are pissing everyone off, government knows nobody supports them so passes anti-boyracer laws, and now thier cars can be crushed.

How would bikers being disruptive be any different?

serious question btw, I'm open to any suggestions bout how we can oppose this law, but I dont see how this idea can work.

Boy racers are nothing like us. We don't go hooning wheelspinning down 50 km zones and built up areas and haven't got the negative publicity that the boy racers have. We are only peacefully riding and having to cough up $500 a year more because we choose to ride on 2 wheels. The stats are bull shit, and this whole thing won't really get passed if we play our cards right and are prepared to strike if the need arises.

A threat is only a bunch of useless words if you are not willing or able to do what you threaten to do.

There is a legal way of protesting and disrupting traffic and I am famous for finding outs in situations.

[ital916]

I'm starting to like the idea of disruptive yet legal action if nothing comes of the bikoi.

What I'm starting to see is bikers becoming frustrated, from no one giving a flying toss. It may seem to be only bikers here talking about it but its not. At work and around uni, when hanging with mates, I've passed the message. I reckon whilst the public may be on our side, they couldnt give a toss what happens.

Its human nature to only react to a situation when it affects us. The public arent being affected, thus they wont react. The politicians arent being affected, they wont react. The government is not being affected, they wont react.

If the bikoi heeds no productive or positive results then, I think the country has been given fair warning to our dissatisfaction to the treatment we have been given as a minority on the roads. I think the public should realise that motorcyclists nae a citizens good natured patience only goes so far. If in a few weeks, they turn round and go "why are you guys doing this", well they had a good while to see it coming. Im with idleiefnweilwlek however you spell it.

P.s I had a good laugh when you told goff to get the roads sweeped. The look on his face, well worth it.

[Cr1MiNaL]

This is a cool extreamly disruptive plan that I'd be ahppy taking part in. Take it a stage further and do it a couple of days at a time over a week or two, can you imigine the disruption.

Good idea, you want to listen to another legal way to protest?

Slap on some L plates to the back of your bike and ride down the motorways at 69 kmph using all the lanes. One or two bikes with learner lisences in the midst of us and we're teaching them how to ride "legally".

Fuck em. Just do it!