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    Bikers blocking shopping centre.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10610482

    Motorcycle protesters are threatening to block shopping mall car parks unless the Government abandons proposed accident compensation levy rises.

    They revealed yesterday a plan to "shut down" one of the Westfield retail group's nine Auckland malls on Saturday next week by filling its parking spaces with "a conglomerate of bikers, taxis, couriers and truckies".

    Unlike protests planned for this weekend, including a rally on Sunday morning in Mission Bay, the shopping mall action is not sanctioned by the Bikers Rights Organisation of New Zealand (Bronz), which organised this week's "bikoi" to Parliament.

    But an email sent to the Herald by veteran motorcyclist and former businessman David Peppiatt said shopping malls would be targeted until the Government backed down on the compensation levies.

    "We intend to perpetuate such disturbances until ACC agrees to levy the man, not what the man is doing," the email said.



    He denied the action could be termed civil disobedience, saying participants would be legally entitled to shop at the mall and park vehicles for up to two hours.

    "Civil disobedience will be when we get to the stage of shutting down motorways," said Mr Peppiatt, who was among 5000 motorcyclists in Tuesday's protest at Parliament.

    He said taxis and other vehicles were being included to highlight a view that all licensed road-users were being unfairly levied for accident compensation.

    Waitemata road policing manager Superintendent John Kelly said people were entitled to protest within the bounds of the law, but the police would deal with any illegal action "as seems appropriate at the time".

    Westfield spokeswoman Linda Trainer said the company had not been notified of any protests but its malls were private property and "we ask at all times for shoppers or visitors to our centres to respect the 'quiet enjoyment' of fellow shoppers and retailers."

    Les Mason, Auckland president of Bronz and organiser of the "bikoi", said he had not heard of the proposed mall protest, but his group was unlikely to support it.

    "That's something we wouldn't condone, because we would see it as being done specifically with the intention of causing public inconvenience," he said.

    His group's committee had decided that any protests it organised would "in all cases be legal and avoid unnecessary disruption to the public".

    Mr Mason said it was also prepared to sanction other protests within that definition, including the Mission Bay rally, at which motorcyclists will be urged to fill as many car parks as possible - one machine to each space.

    He understood the Mission Bay protest was designed to draw attention to the prospect of extra congestion if accident compensation levy rises forced bikers into cars.

    But he acknowledged more extreme protests were possible the longer Accident Compensation Minister Nick Smith delayed rejecting annual levy rises of up to $493 for large motorcycles.
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    So I wonder if a lot of people here are planning to do this. Doesn't this risk turning public opinion against us?
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    The retailers association will pressure the nats to make us go away

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    Quote Originally Posted by scissorhands View Post
    The retailers association will pressure the nats to make us go away
    They might also point out that we are anti social and ask them to kick our buts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblyas View Post
    They might also point out that we are anti social and ask them to kick our buts.
    Or arrest us and fine us thus adding to the governments already over swollen coffers! It's what i'd do to get rid of you, a win win for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    Or arrest us and fine us thus adding to the governments already over swollen coffers! It's what i'd do to get rid of you, a win win for me!
    I don't think they would have grounds for arrest but the public arn't going to back us when the Governement announces that they have reconsidered and decided to obnly increase our levies by 200% across the board for all motorcycles regardless of engine size.
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    They can't arrest you. (Unless there is more than "peaceful" protest).
    What they can do is give you a trespass order requiring you to leave.

    I imagine they'll have them ready.

    That's OK though, point's made, and every biker has to be individually trespassed.

    Mind you, I imagine the mall has coffee shops and such? Bit tricky trespassing a person who can legitimately say they just came for a coffee.
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    Its a no win now that its been in the papers.

    Unless you block out the whole thing (and you need A LOT to fill a Westfield carpark) its going to look 1/2 assed and a failed demo.

    If they block entry points / exits etc - they they are going to look like anti social dipshits and turn away support.

    I dont know who sent it to the papers - but I do think that a more 'professional' approach (like MOM's Mission Bay meeting) would have been a better idea before going to the media.

    FFS - I cant even find a thread saying what westfield - if people dont have the info - how many will be there - 3 ? It will be a laughing stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    They can't arrest you. (Unless there is more than "peaceful" protest).
    What they can do is give you a trespass order requiring you to leave.

    I imagine they'll have them ready.

    That's OK though, point's made, and every biker has to be individually trespassed.

    Mind you, I imagine the mall has coffee shops and such? Bit tricky trespassing a person who can legitimately say they just came for a coffee.
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    Made my toe's curl reading that today. If it is televised or printed in the media that shoppers have been inconvenienced, a very possible publicity angle, then that would be one helluva own goal. Dodgy. Dodgy. Dodgy.
    An argument between a mum with kids & a biker, smugly presented on the six o'clock news would go along way to re-inforcing biker stereotypes for middle NZ & lose us a lot of public sympathy. Very thin ice IMO & easily manipulated by the press.

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    Not going to support that action, it's private property, it's a shopping mall and the Sunday Mission Bay protest is a lot nicer place to hang out than a mall carpark.
    How does one person get a voice in Nanny Herald without any formalised organisation behind them any way??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    Its a no win now that its been in the papers.

    Unless you block out the whole thing (and you need A LOT to fill a Westfield carpark) its going to look 1/2 assed and a failed demo.

    If they block entry points / exits etc - they they are going to look like anti social dipshits and turn away support.

    I dont know who sent it to the papers - but I do think that a more 'professional' approach (like MOM's Mission Bay meeting) would have been a better idea before going to the media.

    FFS - I cant even find a thread saying what westfield - if people dont have the info - how many will be there - 3 ? It will be a laughing stock.
    In which case we win. Public attention drawn, people reminded of what we COULD do, but the responsible and public spirited bikers prevent disruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    people reminded of what we COULD do.
    Fair point - that will hold a lot more weight assuming that the Mission Bay one is sucessfull.

    They did it once - they can do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgyiti View Post
    Not going to support that action, it's private property, it's a shopping mall and the Sunday Mission Bay protest is a lot nicer place to hang out than a mall carpark.
    How does one person get a voice in Nanny Herald without any formalised organisation behind them any way??
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    Nonono,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post
    They ring you
    I hung up on them, thought it was another bloody survey.

    It made news because it sounds like more drama blocking New Zealanders from what has overtaken Rugby/Cricket/Netball as our new most popular national recreational activity.
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