1 Dec with Kanwaljit Bakshi National Papatoetoe

[Ixion]

Hm "Wrote down the (licence) details". That's a bit suss. I wonder why?

They never asked me.

[PirateJafa]

Hm "Wrote down the (licence) details". That's a bit suss. I wonder why?

They never asked me.

Because they already know your ugly mug, you ol' troublemaker you!

[Mom]

Hm "Wrote down the (licence) details". That's a bit suss. I wonder why?

They never asked me.

See, I would take exception to that sort of thing personally. I would be wanting to ask why?

Yes, we all know we HAVE to tell the police our name etc when asked, but in a big group with only a select few asked? I would be asking bigger questions.

[dpex]

See, I would take exception to that sort of thing personally. I would be wanting to ask why?

Yes, we all know we HAVE to tell the police our name etc when asked, but in a big group with only a select few asked? I would be asking bigger questions.

Chortle.

The fact is the cop went well beyond his legal right, but then we all of us beautiful bikers went beyond our legal responsibility and simply provided said cop with our licences.

Had we refused to do so, as was our legal right, the scene would have inflamed. The cop would have got huffy, probably done a bit of., 'You're now trespassing,' impressions, or other legal thing.

Had we bought into our legal rights the situation would have heated and Bakshi's night of glory would have gone to hell in a hand-basket.

No. Good ups to all of us, especially me who was so close to telling the cop to shove it. We acted admirably. We didn't 'really' upset Bakshi's night of fame.

But he and his retinue of supporters were very concerned we would.

Well. Bakshi. On the night we were peaceful. Maybe next time we won't be in YOUR electorate.

Believe me folks, this guy is National's weak link. Not just him but his vast support group who see him as almost the new Messiah (whatever that is in Indian culture, but you know what I mean).

Oh yes. I intend to focus a lot of attention on Bakshi and his entourage.

He's a new back bencher with a shit-load more to lose than an MP I can think of, because he represents Indian pride.

[caseye]

Yes I could have refused legally as in NZ we are not required to cover proof of identity and I could have easily said I arrived as a pillion and they wouldn't have been any the wiser. However I could see no reason why not to.

I guess that they felt it was prudent policing to ask in case I suddenly acted criminally. They asked nicely and besides the female police officer present just had one of those smiles I couldn't say no to!

Hate to say it Wobblyas, but it is the only thing that by law we are in fact required to do.Provide our name and address when and if asked for by a member of Police.
I've said this before too and been cried down by the do gooders but here goes again.
Now that we have this other little law that requires us drivers licence holders to have it on us at all times.had we not produced said licence when asked to do so we could have been charged with failing to do so and arrested and carted off, if they thought it was required.
So you see the tools are there to stop almost any sort of gathering in it's tracks if they decide to do so.
On a brighter note, we behaved ourselves, the Indian community saw that and were both grateful and respected our right to be there and ask our questions.
Dpex basically covered everything else that occurred.
Though our numbers were small , we were expected, the local Sgt of Police was a little concerned and acted initially with haste, he settled down when it became obvious we were not there to cause trouble.
Numbers would have been a huge factor, if we'd done exactly what our small group did but with a 100 or more riders there it would have shown Mr English and his Ilk that we are most definitely not going away.

[FastBikeGear]

Hate to say it Wobblyas, but it is the only thing that by law we are in fact required to do.Provide our name and address when and if asked for by a member of Police.

Are you sure? I would have thought in my naivety that you only need to provide a name or address if you are a suspect for a crime

I've said this before too and been cried down by the do gooders but here goes again.
Now that we have this other little law that requires us drivers licence holders to have it on us at all times.had we not produced said licence when asked to do so we could have been charged with failing to do so and arrested and carted off, if they thought it was required.

If your not deemed to be in charge of a motor vehicle you don't have to produce a license. And of course those people who don't have a license are incapable of it.

Numbers would have been a huge factor, if we'd done exactly what our small group did but with a 100 or more riders there it would have shown Mr English and his Ilk that we are most definitely not going away.

Lets promote the next one more and get better numbers. I think we got some great mileage at this event.

[caseye]

Are you sure? I would have thought in my naivety that you only need to provide a name or address if you are a suspect for a crime
It's still the only thing you can't refuse to do for a Police Officer.
ie: give both your name and address if asked.

If your not deemed to be in charge of a motor vehicle you don't have to produce a license. And of course those people who don't have a license are incapable of it.
Not anymore, if he asks you for your drivers licence and you acknowledge having one but can't produce it he can infringement notice you, confine you, or arrest you. Say thanks Aunty Helen.


Lets promote the next one more and get better numbers. I think we got some great mileage at this event.

Couldn't agree more, it went bloody well, loved the look on Mr Plods face when you produced your inviteed guest pass.
Nice work, but had we all done that, we'd have been on better ground.

[Voltaire]

I would have thought that you only needed to produce your drivers licence if you were in charge of a motor vehicle, ie pulled over. merely standing around dressed in motor cycle gear is neither here nor there.

[caseye]

WRONG AGAIN See, we've all been asleep while gubbermint was being sneaky.
Aunty Helens mob put this little gem through.By law if you have a drivers licence and you cant produce it, you have commited a crime.Used to be you had seven days to produce it.
Course here in NZ it'd be a poor example of Law enforcement that actually did this for somone walking down a road minding their own business, or stood around a building dressed in Motorcycle gear.
But no they can if they choose to.

[Voltaire]

WRONG AGAIN See, we've all been asleep while gubbermint was being sneaky.
Aunty Helens mob put this little gem through.By law if you have a drivers licence and you cant produce it, you have commited a crime.Used to be you had seven days to produce it.
Course here in NZ it'd be a poor example of Law enforcement that actually did this for somone walking down a road minding their own business, or stood around a building dressed in Motorcycle gear.
But no they can if they choose to.

yes...its a $50 fine.
I had my wallet stolen and its a 2 hour hassle to get a new licence.
Actually easier/cheaper not to bother carrying it.
surely you jest.... I can understand being pulled over and asked to produce a licence but to be parked and asked......
If I was not actually driving/ riding at the time I would refuse to show my licence....as its a drivers licence not a fecking ID card.
I'm looking forward to the day I can call a cop 'son" like they used to do to me...

[caseye]

Volti, thats my whole point, our drivers licences have become a psuedo ID!
If you have one, you are required by law to have it on you at all times.
If you can't produce it, it's a fine, if you cut up rough about it, it's a visit to the cells and then the Judge, get my drift.
They have been given FAR to big a stick.

[Voltaire]

Volti, thats my whole point, our drivers licences have become a psuedo ID!
If you have one, you are required by law to have it on you at all times.
If you can't produce it, it's a fine, if you cut up rough about it, it's a visit to the cells and then the Judge, get my drift.
They have been given FAR to big a stick.

sigh......

[MacD]

Are you sure? I would have thought in my naivety that you only need to provide a name or address if you are a suspect for a crime

Nope. That's why the Police ask you to state your name and address when they use their breath screening devices, as you are required to provide this information if asked.

[Addict]

I did ask the cop why they wanted my licence details and the answer I was given was that we all arrived riding bikes and he just wanted to make sure we all had the appropriate licence.
As he answered this he stepped into my personal space -i believe- trying to make me feel threatened which actually made me feel homophobic.

I also had a friendly chat with the "rent a human shield" guy (with the shifty eyes) and asked if he had a gun in his jacket, "i can neither confirm nor deny that" was his response, I think he was being funny, hard to tell since his eyes didn't stop shiftying.

Mike

[caseye]

You were lucky, he's no rent a human shield, he is DPS or more commonly known as a Police Officer attached to the Diplomatic Protection Squad and yes he would have had a gun under his jacket.
Was it the big tall copper with the sgt stripes who stepped into your personal space?
Threaten , No, sus out, scared,worried, nerveous, Yes, an old trick.