So who is behind it all?

[MSTRS:Me]

......As in most govt...corporate....commercial decisions....Follow the money trail....$ are a powerful motivator

There are several agendas going on. But the money one is a biggy. How many members of the Roundtable etc have large share portfolios? And how many of those shares are in Ins Cos? And what would you do, if you could influence the value of those shares? When the ACC system is preventing all those lovely Ins Cos from expanding their business/share value?

[flyingcrocodile46]

If what has been posted here re phasing motorcycles out was true, Motorcycle manufacturers would know about it and would be approachable for support. Not only that, they would be actively fighting such moves. Their existence would depend on it.

I just don't see who would win out of banning motorbikes. Insurance companies don't care about what they insure as long as they make a profit out of the premiums.

Sorry but I don't buy it.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Well I still think my original one is credible (why should the AA care about motorbikes at all) but it is very interesteing to hear about the ones re LTSA and the three mystery ego-maniacal men (malboro man must be one of them surely).

Glad this thread got everyone thinking about it. Carry on the good discussion - I still beleive that we need to fully understand the reasoning behind the ACC hikes before we can understand the privatisation issue.

The privatisation issue is bigger than just Bikers.

We need to concentrate on why they are targeting bikers, on this case the NZTA/Land Transport long term objective seems to be in line with the post from Candor (world bank report).
Also the world bank report pushing governements to advertise car saftey tech makes sense - I always wondered why they spent so much money on that stupid "Electronic Stability Control" advert. Jeez was that dumb and must have cost a truck load of cash as it was on all the time. Would have been way better spending the cash on motorcycle awareness.

So is NZTA/Land Transport really wanting to get rid of motorbikes and is this due to following the world bank study?

[The Everlasting]

If what has been posted here re phasing motorcycles out was true, Motorcycle manufacturers would know about it and would be approachable for support. Not only that, they would be actively fighting such moves. Their existence would depend on it.

I just don't see who would win out of banning motorbikes. Insurance companies don't care about what they insure as long as they make a profit out of the premiums.

Sorry but I don't buy it.

Yeah I don't buy it either,there is no way the Big Four and other manufacturers would let that happen without a huge fight.


Just a thought,the huge levy increases would surely have some impact on people buying new motorbikes? If it does,then the manufacturers will lose money at a steady rate.

[avgas]

I can see strings being pulled from Oz...

Its funny you mention that - Medicare have pretty good agreements with ACC. Won't say what in particular - but lets just say money changes hands.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Yeah I don't buy it either,there is no way the Big Four and other manufacturers would let that happen without a huge fight.


Just a thought,the huge levy increases would surely have some impact on people buying new motorbikes? If it does,then the manufacturers will lose money at a steady rate.

NZ is such a small market I don't think the big 4 MC companies would even notice... But it will most definantly effect all local bike shops and related businesses.

[The Everlasting]

NZ is such a small market I don't think the big 4 MC companies would even notice... But it will most definantly effect all local bike shops and related businesses.

Yeah your probably right.

Maybe we should approach some of the motorbike dealerships for added support?

Unless this has already been done...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Yeah your probably right.

Maybe we should approach some of the motorbike dealerships for added support?

Unless this has already been done...

well one would hope that they will be already on our side

[kevie]

Just an open question out there to ask.

ACC motoring pool advisor (Automobile Association)

I personally think that they do not particularily like motorbikes, and I personally beleive it is them that put the ploy in place to whack motorbikes with larger increases than cars. But for me the AA is behind the silly bike increases and the government is behind the larger issue of the ACC being privatised.

I remember taking AA to task years ago (when I was a member) about one of the articles they had published stating they discourage members from owning/riding motorcycles..... I dumped my membership with them years ago and every time I reg my vehicles there or renew a licence they ask if I want AA membership and I tell them NO because of AA being anti motorcycling LOL not the answer they expect and give them the message 'discriminate against bikes and lose memberships'

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I remember taking AA to task years ago (when I was a member) about one of the articles they had published stating they discourage members from owning/riding motorcycles..... I dumped my membership with them years ago and every time I reg my vehicles there or renew a licence they ask if I want AA membership and I tell them NO because of AA being anti motorcycling LOL not the answer they expect and give them the message 'discriminate against bikes and lose memberships'

So how do we start Motorcycling version of AA

MANZ - Motorcycle Association New Zealand

[Ixion]

You need to tie into someone who can provide breakdown service. (90% of AA membership are members only for the breakdown service.)

Provide that and the rest follows easily

Talk to Mark at Swann, they have a break down service subsidiary

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

So it has been proven in stuff today that I was right that the AA were supporters of increasing motorbike levies. Not fair to impose levies by driver but ok to single out bikes - what a crock!

I say show your displeasure - take your business elsewhere if you are insured with them or use their breakdown service and let them know it is because of their stance on motorbikes.

Mike Noon is their top man on motoring issues (from the attached stuff article).

Linky:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...clause-slammed

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Linky:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...clause-slammed

Like you knew that all along... we won't be re-newing our AA membership...

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Like you knew that all along... we won't be re-newing our AA membership...

Yeah I'm quite chuffed with myself right now.

I figured it out from reading the thread about the Ulysees president and the remarks made by Nick Smith.

All I did was put two and two together, and suprisingly came out with four for a change, before the AA admitted it.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Yeah I'm quite chuffed with myself right now.

I figured it out from reading the thread about the Ulysees president and the remarks made by Nick Smith.

All I did was put two and two together, and suprisingly came out with four for a change, before the AA admitted it.

actually I also knew as well... to tell the honest truth.. AA have been anti motorcycles for years...