The AA

**BMWST?** · 5th December 2009, 20:27

Originally Posted by p.dath

We could also move that the objectives be changed from:

(a)

to:

(a)

What do you think? Can we turn the AA in our favour? I think we could!

motorcycle=motor vehicle

**bogan** · 5th December 2009, 20:27

an excellent plan, with the proxy voting, I have about 6 people in the family who would proxy me thier vote, but that probly means I would have to become an AA member I spose. I would imagine a lot of other bikers would be in a similar situation.

**p.dath** · 5th December 2009, 20:29

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

U, my friend, are scary! Imagine if this can be pulled off! AA would suddenly change direction...

I so think it could be pulled off. The trick is to know how many people usually attend the national annual general meeting.

Lets say it's 500 people. Lets say, 250 of them don't care about the issue and don't vote on it. Of the remaining 250, lets say 50 vote for us, and 150 vote against us.

Then lets say 500 bikers vote.

Game over.

**Conquiztador** · 5th December 2009, 20:31

AA Membership costs:

Auckland (broadly Bombay to Orewa*) $89 first year
Elsewhere in NZ %77 first year

**Conquiztador** · 5th December 2009, 20:33

Originally Posted by p.dath

I so think it could be pulled off. The trick is to know how many people usually attend the national annual general meeting.

Lets say it's 500 people. Lets say, 250 of them don't care about the issue and don't vote on it. Of the remaining 250, lets say 50 vote for us, and 150 vote against us.

Then lets say 500 bikers vote.

Game over.

AND all bikers have a bunch of proxy votes with them...

**Ixion** · 5th December 2009, 20:33

No. The trick is to know how many of the 'members' assign their proxy vote toi the chairman of the meeting. This is an option for all members.

If even 1% of the sheeple assign their proxy to the chairman , we will be massively outvoted. (Though 1% is a big ask for sheeple)

**Conquiztador** · 5th December 2009, 20:34

Originally Posted by Ixion

No. The trick is to know how many of the 'members' assign their proxy vote toi the chairman of the meeting. This is an option for all members.

If even 1% of the sheeple assign their proxy to the chairman , we will be massively outvoted. (Though 1% is a big ask for sheeple)

OK, we should be able to get the minutes from the Feb 2008 meeting, that should tell us...

**p.dath** · 5th December 2009, 20:37

Originally Posted by BMWST?

motorcycle=motor vehicle

Yes, I think the AA's first objective says they should be supporting motorcycles as well. However if we amended the first objective to specifically include motorcycles then there could be no confusion with the general members. The board is accountable for for-fulling the objectives, and they have some accountability over it.

Also objective (c) is in our favour:

To co-ordinate, promote, facilitate and protect the interests of its members, whether of international, national or more limited scope, and for such purposes to consult with and where appropriate make such representations and submissions as may be expedient to protect and enhance the interests of its members.

I wouldn't want to do something as extreme as declare a vote of no-confidence in the board - but I would like to raise a motion for the board to re-affirm their commitment to the core objectives of the association. The motorcycle riders are members, and also deserve the associations consideration. And the clearer the written objectives are, the harder it is to say you didn't understand.

**Ixion** · 5th December 2009, 20:39

Originally Posted by p.dath

I wouldn't want to do something as extreme as declare a vote of no-confidence in the board - .

I would .

**p.dath** · 5th December 2009, 20:51

Originally Posted by Ixion

I would .

Ah but then you would have to replace the board.

You'd have to have new district councillors for every district (since only district councillors can be national board members) ... that's a lot of extra work.

Where as passing rules that bind the board is so much easier ...

But getting district councillors elected that are biker friendly would go a long way to helping (hence my initial suggestion about attending the district meetings as well). The district meetings say they only need a quorum of 7 member! You may well find 10 bikers is enough to win over the meeting.

29(b)

The quorum at all General Meetings of a District shall be seven (7) Personal members present in person.

**Conquiztador** · 5th December 2009, 21:04

Originally Posted by p.dath

Ah but then you would have to replace the board.

You'd have to have new district councillors for every district (since only district councillors can be national board members) ... that's a lot of extra work.

Where as passing rules that bind the board is so much easier ...

But getting district councillors elected that are biker friendly would go a long way to helping (hence my initial suggestion about attending the district meetings as well). The district meetings say they only need a quorum of 7 member! You may well find 10 bikers is enough to win over the meeting.

29(b)

A General Meeting (normally held monthly) is not same as Annual General Meeting, or Special General Meeting. Only at AGM's or SGM's can Board members be voted in. And who decides what Board member from the district sits on the National Council?

**p.dath** · 5th December 2009, 21:16

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

A General Meeting (normally held monthly) is not same as Annual General Meeting, or Special General Meeting. Only at AGM's or SGM's can Board members be voted in. And who decides what Board member from the district sits on the National Council?

Basically the district council has to support a candidate to become a board member.

21(d):

(d) Nominations for candidates for the elected positions on the Board must be:
• made in writing
• supported by a resolution of the candidates resident District Council
• signed by a National Councillor from another District and by the nominee, and
• deposited with the Chief Executive at least twenty-eight (28) days before the meeting of the National Council to be held in accordance with Rule 20(d)

**Conquiztador** · 5th December 2009, 21:18

Originally Posted by p.dath

Basically the district council has to support a candidate to become a board member.

21(d):

Where did you find their constitutions on line? I have not been able to.

**jeffs** · 5th December 2009, 21:22

Yes I know you all know this but, Just to make sure you understand who long they have been actively lobbying the government to up motorbike levies, and understand what you are up against.

This page was Posted 13 May 2009 just before the ACC started working on their discussion doc on ACC levy changes.

AA have always been behind a lot of this.

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/roa...motorists.aspx

Quote;
"A higher and fairer ACC levy for motorcyclists

The AA is opposed to the continuing cross-subsidisation of motorcycle/moped injuries by other vehicle owners.

Motorcyclists should pay a higher ACC levy that is closer to the actual amount of injury compensation they claim each year. Currently around 80 percent of the cost of motorcycle/moped injuries is funded by motorists and owners of other vehicles. More than 40 percent of motorbike crashes are single vehicle, and the costs for these should be fully covered by motorcyclists."