Forum whore
I'll third that. Everyone who put in a massive effort deserves respect for rising above the normal apathy that is the usual response to absurd decisions at Government level. I don't think BRONZ and Ukysses (Freudian slip) made the right decision though, and I think people should be allowed to hold that view, for obvious reasons.Originally Posted by Headbanger
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Hardcore Biker
Perhaps inevitable, but now its been culled down we cant argue that its not deserved and not fair and expect joe bloggs to get in behind... Thinking cap time
Ultimate keyboard Warrior
I disagree, It is up to us to allow them, If we as a people went to war against these bastards they would back down completely.
Lets see what they have to say when the cities are on fire.
And if anyone from the Herald reads that, Its a massive exaggeration to make a point.
Maybe.
Forum whore
Your support base just shrank to its normal 12 people and a dog.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Cyborg Biker
never was about the money... it was about the principles of ACC why and how it was setup by Sir Owen Woodhouse
Forum whore
blah blah... whinge whinge... wank wank... moan, dribble, cry....
Forum whore
If I owned Kiwibiker I would promptly freeze all ACC related posts until people had 24-48 hours to calm down and actually think clearly about the subject.
Do you really think that the increase would have been restricted to a max of $174 per annum if Les and the thousands of others who wrote and rode just sat at home and carried on presuming all would be OK?
My family and I are very pleased I only have to give up one cup of coffee or a can of V a week to be able to continue to afford my life's passion.
Government got the message very clearly. Now is the time to get smart and start working the politics of the entire often unfair ACC system. It will be a long campaign.
Many thanks to everybody involved.
That's far to serious a post from me. I have a reputation to uphold, I'm off to take the piss out of some other thread now
NEDWN VIII
So Les Mason only speaks for all of when he says things the things we wanna hear?
Hardcore Biker
I agree...
Forum whore
I disagree. I think that the support base is unaffected. How many people do you suppose supported us because they thought bikers shouldn't pay so much ? Versus how many supported us because they wondered "Yes - who's next ? Maybe me ? "
We will now have lost the support of the first group. Absolutely nothing we can do about that. I doubt it was very large , or useful, in the first place. But the support from the second group is unaffected . Perhaps enhanced.
The public see the reductions as a backdown by the government . Sure, we all would have liked no increase at all. In fact, I'd like ACC to pay me for riding. Neither of those were ever going to happen. Anyone who supposed that a government would change its policy that much in a few weeks has no comprehension of how the real world works. But in the public mind they will see that ACC wanted bikers to pay $750. And now Nick Smith has said, "No, no, they don't". So the people wondering "Is it me next" may be even more inclined to look toward us for leadership.
Forum whore
As do most of us (I wish I could say all). And that has been the message from the start (well, almost the start).
And that is unchanged.
Would those complaining about being sold out, I wonder, have happily accepted a nil increase and gone home and ignored the rest of what is happening with ACC ?
Forum whore
I think you're overstating the support base more than a little. Most non-motorcyclists really didn't give it much thought and will go back to that blissfully unaware state while ACC support is removed piecemeal.
It was never about levies for me in the first place and the momentum of the 'Who's Next" thrust is blunted by the fact "bikers" bailed the moment the Government graciously decreased the levies.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Deus ex ukulele
Les and all of the organisers, activists, submitters and correspondents are to be commended. The significance of this backdown by the Government should not be underestimated. I am certain that ACC saw bikers as a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. We normally are. But thanks to extraordinary dedication by a committed few, we were heard and what was said made a difference.
I guess we can now return to our usual state of being a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. It was fun and strangely empowering being something different for a while.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
Cyborg Biker
That is where we must support other groups as well... help them organise protests, and if you continue to be the speaker, remember that its not just about bikes, but who is next start quoting the Woodhouse principle... keep pushing ACC is not an Insurance etc
No increase is required by any group...
Forum whore
So who has bailed? I'd suggest only those who DID think it was only about the number of dollars ?
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