Call to WAR

[meowmix]

Those letters are very well written, and I agree wholly with the idea. As will many others.
Thats one for Northland, lets get this done!

[glegge]

just a quick reminder, if you have not watched this all the way through, may i suggest you do?
http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-levy-hike...7/Default.aspx

hey, know your enemy..

but honestly, i know it's boring - but it really is worth watching right through.

[Drogen Omen]

so what we gona do about it...?

1 - clog the motorways riding at 40kms all the way into town at rush hour??? i like this one...

2 - ride in force to Westfeild Queensgate on a Saturday morning and take up 1 park per bike??? i like this one also...

3 - sit artound and do nothing and bitch and moan from our pc's about acc crap and that homo Dr Nick Shitter??? i don't like this idea...

[Nasty]

so what we gona do about it...?

1 - clog the motorways riding at 40kms all the way into town at rush hour??? i like this one...

2 - ride in force to Westfeild Queensgate on a Saturday morning and take up 1 park per bike??? i like this one also...

3 - sit artound and do nothing and bitch and moan from our pc's about acc crap and that homo Dr Nick Shitter??? i don't like this idea...

Come with us to Carterton on Sunday for the Nats christmas party.

Then next saturday to the Park in at oriental parade .. both events are in the calander.

I won't get involved with pissing off the public ... but am more than happy to educate them .... they are our allys and I think now they realise it more as it is more than public that their pockets are badly affected as well.

[What?]

I'm with you all the way, Mr Stoneman.

This fight is going to get nasty now. At least, it needs to in order to achieve anything. PC and friendly just isn't going to do it, BUT I will never support closing down motorways etc; that will just piss Joe P off and do us no good at all. Closing down ACC offices... now that might be a different matter altogether.
And rego going on hold is a done deal unless the Prick comes to his senses before it expires. Tui...

And the time for writing to MP's is pretty-well over. Make an appointment to go and see your local polly, no matter what party it is a member of. Imagine how long we can book up all their constituent time for, to chew them out on the same issue!

[centaurus]

I'm with you StoneY.

I think the time for nice and peaceful meetings on the weekends by various cafes has ended. i agree that we need joe public on our side but you can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs. So far we bikers have been standing (almost) alone. The only way to get people out of their apathy is to force a wake up.

I recommend weekly actions, not to big to force the law to intervene but big enough to make into the news and to become visible by the public (meaning interfere in some way with their daily activities) - a bunch of bikers gathering in a parking lot and complaining about ACC to themselves it not gonna cut it any more. We've been nice long enough. We need to start making some moderate disturbance - riding slow on Lambton quay, slowing down the M-way at rush hour, things like this. And if it's during week days even better - more visibility.

If we wait till February, it's gonna be to late. We need to keep doing stuff until then. The Feb event shouldn't be the next event but the breaking point - a major event following a long series of small events that have increased the pressure gradually.

And regarding the arguments and our say, we should cut it short: no more numbers, no more arguing who's at fault and who isn't, what percentage and what numbers. Just "NO Fault" and "Back to the original Woodhouse Principle", so people can understand this is about all NZ, not just the bikers.

[oldrider]

Come with us to Carterton on Sunday for the Nats christmas party.

Then next saturday to the Park in at oriental parade .. both events are in the calander.

I won't get involved with pissing off the public ... but am more than happy to educate them .... they are our allys and I think now they realise it more as it is more than public that their pockets are badly affected as well.

They realise (now that they have been told this) that motorcyclists are costing "them" money! I.E. They are subsidising us and our (Katman) reckless behaviour!

Do you think they are still going to want to be our allies?

[Vern]

I'm in to the end as well.

[Nasty]

They realise (now that they have been told this) that motorcyclists are costing "them" money! I.E. They are subsidising us and our (Katman) reckless behaviour!

Do you think they are still going to want to be our allies?

You are right ... give up and don't bother ... No I am not going to go out of my way to cause public problems ... they think they know .. they need to be informed about the shit they have been fed by the media ...

But I don't ride with reckless behaviour ... never had an accident .. and only one acc claim and that was work related back problem from sitting at my desk ... I am happy to admit there are idiots ... but there are more idiots than motorcycle riders .. and we subsidise them.

[glegge]

They realise (now that they have been told this) that motorcyclists are costing "them" money! I.E. They are subsidising us and our (Katman) reckless behaviour!

Do you think they are still going to want to be our allies?

But thats the whole thing, they just need re-educating.
motorcyclists are not costing anyone anymore than anyone else under a no fault system..
engage re-education gear, hoist banners..

under no fault, NO ONE CAN COST MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE!, as the levys should all be the same for everyone.
its just the way the nutters push the numbers on there calculators that makes it look bad for certain groups.

[centaurus]

I'm with you all the way, Mr Stoneman.

This fight is going to get nasty now. At least, it needs to in order to achieve anything. PC and friendly just isn't going to do it, BUT I will never support closing down motorways etc; that will just piss Joe P off and do us no good at all. Closing down ACC offices... now that might be a different matter altogether.
And rego going on hold is a done deal unless the Prick comes to his senses before it expires. Tui...

And the time for writing to MP's is pretty-well over. Make an appointment to go and see your local polly, no matter what party it is a member of. Imagine how long we can book up all their constituent time for, to chew them out on the same issue!

ACC and the Nats are ready for this and bugging them is not gonna change anything. What we need is to create visibility and a wake up call for the whole NZ. And the only way to create visibility is by getting in the news and through some mild disturbance. if it's "some bikers gathered somewhere", nobody cares. If it's "bikers blocked our way to work today" or something like that, people are gonna be forced to acknoledge us and take note of our protest. I agree, we can't just go in the street and block it - a little planning needs to happen so we can get the max effect and visibility with a relative minimum disturbance, but I think we need public disturbance. The public is who we need to influence,not ACC or the Nats. The only way the nats will be swayed is if the rest of the public starts complaining and threatening with votes loss. Just we bikers by ourselves are not enough (in numbers) to force the Nats' hand and they know it.

[idleidolidyll]

you know i'm pissed off; this 'result' is exactly what i predicted from the start

we were set up and disrespected; this is always what they intended

count me in on just about anything short of murder; i'm angry!

[Thani-B]

I'm in.

[DidJit]

Vive la révolution!

[blossomsowner]

count me in