Making excuses (pt II)

[Katman]

I'd like to see, rather than bitching here about it, people ringing up the councils and lodging complaints / action requests to have bad roading conditions fixed...

Personally, I'd rather see motorcyclists pulling their fucking heads in and riding to the conditions.

[h211]

Personally, I'd rather see motorcyclists pulling their fucking heads in and riding to the conditions.

If only we could predict huge fuckoff potholes in the road. And no, tailgating or speed were not factors...

[Chrislost]

While we continue to blame environmental circumstances for our accidents we will continue to be seen as a joke by the powers that be and by the general public.

But But but.
kayman told me that if i rode like a pussy id be safe

[Katman]

If only we could forsee huge fuckoff potholes in the road.

Are you saying you're incapable of that?

[Foxzee]

Hey guys and girls.....

As it has been said "accidents happen"...and some are just pure accidents..no fault, no blame, no stupid riding, no stupid other conditions that put us at risk.....

I've lost a few very close mates to "accidents"..and as it was stated in the Coronors court "this is a court of no blame"...those words are so true, it's a medium to attempt to stop other's going the same way as we can't bring back our loved ones but can seek solice in what maybe can been done to prevent this death happening to someone else's loved one, child or best mate.

[Kickaha]

Hey guys and girls.....
As it has been said "accidents happen"...and some are just pure accidents..no fault, no blame, no stupid riding, no stupid other conditions that put us at risk.....

"accidents happen" sounds like to much of a cop out to me

[Donor]

The reality is that the environment is often a major factor in accidents. Even the "powers that be" recognise that.

See, in my view that's a great part of the problem, and one of Katmans' greatest points - all too often when shit happens, we (and I'm saying both motorcycle riders AND car drivers) look to apportion blame to "the environment" when in simple fact, the majority of motorcycle accidents can be avoided by rider awareness of their abilities, their machines abilities and the environs that they ride in.

I used to be a huge critic of Katman, however when I stopped taking the apparent sleights and insults (as so many seem to take them) so personally, then I had to admit to myself, the bastard makes a lot of sense.

But hey, this is purely my own opinion.

[Katman]

I've lost a few very close mates to "accidents"..and as it was stated in the Coronors court "this is a court of no blame"...those words are so true, it's a medium to attempt to stop other's going the same way as we can't bring back our loved ones but can seek solice in what maybe can been done to prevent this death happening to someone else's loved one, child or best mate.

Seeking solace is bullshit.

Seeking education will save lives.

[T.W.R]

Seeking solace is bullshit.

Seeking education will save lives.

Biggoted arrogance is in the same league too

[Katman]

Biggoted arrogance is in the same league too

As is burying your head in the sand.

[Donor]

Biggoted arrogance is in the same league too

How so?

Giving a shit?

Being cruel to be kind? After all, the truth is the cruellest of all...

None so blind as those that will not see...

[Ronin]

How so?

Giving a shit?

Being cruel to be kind? After all, the truth is the cruellest of all...

None so blind as those that will not see...

The problem is not the message, no one will say that katman doesn't have some valid points. There is however better ways of delivering said message.

Better and more appropriate places too.

[Donor]

The problem is not the message, no one will say that katman doesn't have some valid points. There is however better ways of delivering said message.

Better and more appropriate places too.

Okay, so let's be constructive here - what would be a better way of conveying the message?

What would be the most appropriate place?

We all know many riders, and chances are many of us know a few or more that have wound up dead. Sorry for the blunt talk, it's my upbringing.

Are we so PC that we can't talk about these things without fear of upsetting people, or is it that we as motorcycle riders can't bring ourselves to drop the "bulletproof" mentality that so many of us have adopted?

[klingon]

Seeking solace is bullshit.

Actually, some people need to seek solace to come to terms with a tragedy that has befallen them, through no fault of their own.

I'm not talking about someone who dies as the result of a crash, but the people who are left behind to suffer the grief. Seeking solace may be bullshit to you, but it is an important part of grieving for others.

It is not up to you to dictate what form the grief of others should or shouldn't take.

Seeking education will save lives.

I agree. But that is a completely different thing to seeking solace, and they are not mutually exclusive.

[Katman]

It is not up to you to dictate what form the grief of others should or shouldn't take.

I'm not attempting to dictate anything.

(The mods seem to be intent on dictating their own manner of thinking though).

I'm attempting to encourage all motorcyclists to take a good hard look at what that contribute (or not) to Motorcycling.