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    KB is great!
    It (and probably other sites) drags illiterates and lazy writers kicking and screaming up to what is an acceptable level of literacy.

    The above types may have slipped through school without getting up to the mark grammar/spelling/punctuation wise but hoo-boy, KB fixes a lot of that!

    And while some moan about this KB 'process' those that get slagged off about the quality of their posts keep coming back time after time and do improve (or as a few may have; leave when the heat is too much) - as one poster at least has said - it got him up to a level of literacy that nobody quibles about his posts anymore.

    I guess it's a 'learning from your elders' kind of thing..
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    KB is great!
    It (and probably other sites) drags illiterates and lazy writers kicking and screaming up to what is an acceptable level of literacy.

    The above types may have slipped through school without getting up to the mark grammar/spelling/punctuation wise but hoo-boy, KB fixes a lot of that!

    And while some moan about this KB 'process' those that get slagged off about the quality of their posts keep coming back time after time and do improve (or as a few may have; leave when the heat is too much) - as one poster at least has said - it got him up to a level of literacy that nobody quibles about his posts anymore.

    I guess it's a 'learning from your elders' kind of thing..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketgal68 View Post
    That I am afraid is my typing, not my brain, I know it is you are (you're)...
    Considering your earlier claim, in this thread, that you have no sympathy for the lazy, this might warrant reflection. I for one refuse to believe that you consistently mistype you're as your.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dean View Post
    Yes I do believe so, members kicked me into gear (virtually) way more then Teachers at school could. The power of peer pressure to reform.
    Only the weak submit to peer pressure.

    Realising and acknowledging the error of your ways and then doing something about it is a hallmark of strength of character.
    It is preferential to refrain from the utilisation of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualisation can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities. (...such as the word fuck.)

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    You lot still squabbling about gram ma
    I told you, I locked her in the woodshed on xmas eve.
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    How would/was you or in this case I/we ever get to the same resolution/point with he/her at the other end pulling/pushing for all their/your might in the other direction as the onlookers square off/on while she/he or her/him has not a chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tri boy View Post
    You lot still squabbling about gram ma
    I told you, I locked her in the woodshed on xmas eve.
    Let the ol biddy out
    Only if she puts her teeth back in !
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    If I had judged everyone I have ever met according to their ability to spell, type or grammatical ability, I would have missed out on some incredible friendships
    It is entirely possible to teach an old blond new tricks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by allycatz View Post
    if i had judged everyone i have ever met according to their ability to spell, type or grammatical ability, i would have missed out on some incredible friendships
    +10............................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grammarboy View Post
    +10............................

    God looks uopn thee and thy wisdom to quote unto thee for he has cometh not 9th but 10th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allycatz View Post
    If I had judged everyone I have ever met according to their ability to spell, type or grammatical ability, I would have missed out on some incredible friendships
    Oh I still judge them as per above alright - and they're still incredible friends!

    One has even started a new form of English known to KBers as 'Dangerese'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    And how does Grammar expose kids to the big wide world??...don't you have to go out into the big wide world to be exposed.....take Richard Branson....he was no good at school yet has businesses in the big wide world and is the 261st richest person in the world.

    Sorry but what you say just does not add up
    I was not referring solely to grammar but more the wider education system.

    Children's socialisation starts as infants interacting with (mostly) their parents. The schooling system takes the reins for much of a person's formative years, followed by employers and/or tertiary educators. By the time little Johnnie or Julie is in their late teens the mold has been pretty well set and they are fully interacting with society on their own two feet.

    The problem as I see it is that PC or busy parents all too often take the soft option in the early years in terms of setting boundaries and exposing kids to the negative repercussions of their (the children's) actions. The schooling system now takes over the socialisation of said child with an education system that increasingly rewards mediocracy and fails to identify failure. That includes spelling and grammar which in themselves are usually not life or death matters but the personal discipline that goes with honing one of our most concise communication skills is a valuable socialisation building block in its own right.

    Little Johnnie/Julie then reaches NCEA level and gains a fistful of credits in all manner of virtually useless activities, many of which in the past were regarded as basic lifeskills that earned one a kicked arse if they weren't adopted as a matter of course. So out they head into the workplace and the great wide world to discover, for often the first time in their lives, that when they get it wrong life has a bad habit of giving you a kicking. And shock horror they have no-one to blame but themselves.

    The reality check that this results in comes as one hell of a shock and increasingly we are seeing the fallout from this in the form of antisocial behaviour, failure to cope with responsibility, teen suicide and emotional mayhem. Our society is increasingly setting up the young for failure which most do not have the slightest clue how to deal with. Richard Branson is obviously made of much tougher stuff, most aren't.

    An analogy would be to allow a child to ride a bicycle in a padded environment with little or no chance of injury. Then let him or her progress to a similarly 'safe' environment to learn motorcycle skills. That rider has never experienced the mental check that a painfull 'off' would imprint on them. Result is that the first accident out in the real world is more likely to be a serious one, and they probably ain't going to see it coming. Oh, and they will immediately blame everyone but themselves.

    Question: Who is to blame?

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    Naki Rat speak the truth.

    Kids are PC'd and molly-codled to death these days.

    I could tell you many stories to support this, especially from my job experience.

    "Go away, you can't touch me" is a frequent one as they are cuffed/placed in the back of the car, followed by tears when for the first time in their life they realise they can't lie/bluff/promise/wheedle/threaten their way out of a predicament. (that will likely have further consequences too)

    'But that's not fair, sob, sob" - welcome to the real world....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    Question: Who is to blame?
    The Labour party, of course.
    It's only when you take the piss out of a partially shaved wookie with an overactive 'me' gene and stapled on piss flaps that it becomes a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    I was not referring solely to grammar but more the wider education system.

    Okay

    Children's socialisation starts as infants interacting with (mostly) their parents. The schooling system takes the reins for much of a person's formative years, followed by employers and/or tertiary educators. By the time little Johnnie or Julie is in their late teens the mold has been pretty well set and they are fully interacting with society on their own two feet.

    Kids still spend time with their parents. Nats was at Kindercare at 1...to me it has served her well given her disability...

    The problem as I see it is that PC or busy parents all too often take the soft option in the early years in terms of setting boundaries and exposing kids to the negative repercussions of their (the children's) actions. The schooling system now takes over the socialisation of said child with an education system that increasingly rewards mediocracy and fails to identify failure. That includes spelling and grammar which in themselves are usually not life or death matters but the personal discipline that goes with honing one of our most concise communication skills is a valuable socialisation building block in its own right.

    Of course often the parent telling the kid not to do what they did wrong...not a bad thing...but agree it is too easy for parents to be negative instead of constructive

    Average is still not bad and the higher % are Average....I still think that rewarding for being average is good...better than not...as the risk is that they may go backwards....

    Little Johnnie/Julie then reaches NCEA level and gains a fistful of credits in all manner of virtually useless activities, many of which in the past were regarded as basic lifeskills that earned one a kicked arse if they weren't adopted as a matter of course. So out they head into the workplace and the great wide world to discover, for often the first time in their lives, that when they get it wrong life has a bad habit of giving you a kicking. And shock horror they have no-one to blame but themselves.

    The reality check that this results in comes as one hell of a shock and increasingly we are seeing the fallout from this in the form of antisocial behaviour, failure to cope with responsibility, teen suicide and emotional mayhem. Our society is increasingly setting up the young for failure which most do not have the slightest clue how to deal with. Richard Branson is obviously made of much tougher stuff, most aren't.


    I am not sure that school is to blame for this.

    Read these reason for teen suicide.

    Turn it on it's head....kid gets great grades...rewarded...leaves school....cannot get the job they want.
    • a psychological disorder, especially depression, bipolar disorder, and alcohol and drug use (in fact, approximately 95% of people who die by suicide have a psychological disorder at the time of death)
    • feelings of distress, irritability, or agitation
    • feelings of hopelessness and worthlessness that often accompany depression (a teen, for example, who experiences repeated failures at school, who is overwhelmed by violence at home, or who is isolated from peers is likely to experience such feelings)
    • a previous suicide attempt
    • a family history of depression or suicide (depressive illnesses may have a genetic component, so some teens may be predisposed to suffer major depression)
    • physical or sexual abuse
    • lack of a support network, poor relationships with parents or peers, and feelings of social isolation
    • dealing with homosexuality in an unsupportive family or community or hostile school environment

    An analogy would be to allow a child to ride a bicycle in a padded environment with little or no chance of injury. Then let him or her progress to a similarly 'safe' environment to learn motorcycle skills. That rider has never experienced the mental check that a painfull 'off' would imprint on them. Result is that the first accident out in the real world is more likely to be a serious one, and they probably ain't going to see it coming. Oh, and they will immediately blame everyone but themselves.

    But surely the idea is to be better than average and not crash and feel the pain...adults blame others...kids will do that..it's how we deal with this that is important...

    Question: Who is to blame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Oh I still judge them as per above alright - and they're still incredible friends!

    One has even started a new form of English known to KBers as 'Dangerese'.
    Aren't they jeans..?

    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Naki Rat speak the truth.

    Kids are PC'd and molly-codled to death these days.

    I could tell you many stories to support this, especially from my job experience.

    "Go away, you can't touch me" is a frequent one as they are cuffed/placed in the back of the car, followed by tears when for the first time in their life they realise they can't lie/bluff/promise/wheedle/threaten their way out of a predicament. (that will likely have further consequences too)

    'But that's not fair, sob, sob" - welcome to the real world....
    Sooner or later, they have to get that. Unfortunately, too many parents want to ensure they never do.
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