Oh, my bad then. As you were!Originally Posted by Pussy
mini meeeeeee
Oh, my bad then. As you were!
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Katman to steveb64
Hardcore Biker
Yep what he said!
Fook Yeah!...Me Got DRZ400sm Now!
& still can't spell for shit!
salty dog
I don't think you get it................
taking a wrong line is dangerous and shows lack of skill.
A biker forum like this is the ideal place to bring this dangerous practice to attention off those riders that are not aware off these basic roadcrafts.
Overshooting a corner because you take the wrong line will not only get the biker one day in serious trouble, it also put oncoming and following roadusers at risk........
It is just bad practice, and definitely needs pointing out
Opinions are like arseholes: Everybody has got one, but that doesn't mean you got to air it in public all the time....
The instructions are simple...
That's it, in one.
However, they may be just as 'slow' in the corners if their lines were correct(read as 'better'). Not every rider wants to take corners at the same speed as they do on the straighter bits. Their choice, although just as irritating for those behind who like to employ The Pace as a style. Up to them to pass when safe. The problem that often occurs here is the same as that of cagers who like to drive at 60/70/80 when it's a bit windy and difficult to see for passing, yet get to passing lanes and instantly the speed jumps to 110+. Bastards.
Better training, fullstop. Apart from our likelihood of injury, why show 'we' take responsibility for the shortcomings of cagers?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
It's only because when taking a bad line - you have to go much slower to avoid running off the road. If I was going to get on the back of a bike with someone else... I would feel much safer being on the back with someone taking better lines, even if cornering faster, than someone taking bad lines a bit slower.
Motorcycle training in Britain seems to be big on reading a corner and lines. I think their narrow roads leave very little margin for error on this.
e.g... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tS3bROWjE0
Nutter on a Triumph
As part of the 250 crew cheers. It was interesting the variance in biker behavior and skill we saw, the oddest being guys blasting through twisty sections cutting every corner (blind or not), so as to keep the licence losing speed up. Looked like a case of "gotta show the boys I can handle" syndrome spiralling outta control to the detriment of what I deem actual riding skill (the roadcraft you mentioned). It's the kiwi idea that speed == skill/bigger balls.
Eatorbeeaten and I had an awesome ride on the baby bikes.
Mad nagging bitch!
Trust me, Mstrs is VERY patient when following someone who carries much lower corner speed than he. But, he is a firm believer in 'better' cornering lines, from a safety point of view ie. better lines allow better vision, better vision allows better reaction times...and therefore can allow a rider to safely lift their entry speed..doesn't mean that he is adamant everyone has to ride at the same speed he does, tho.
He has doddled through many corners patiently riding behind me at my speed, when he could have safely doubled it or even more.
Diarrhoea is hereditary - it runs in your jeans
If my nose was running money, I'd blow it all on you...
mini meeeeeee
Yes, fine. I get what you are all saying. However MY point is if your lines through corners are not dumb ones i.e. you are actually tracking "good" lines does that mean you HAVE to ride through them faster? Obviously the answer to that is no. It just seems as though some of you are pushing the 'faster through the corners' thing as an automatic follow through of sighting and following the line.
As for cars who travelling at annoyingly slow pace then speed up on the overtaking lanes, they most definitely are a pain in the arse, no argument there. I just feel that as a generally slower rider myself I feel quite justified in taking corners at whatever speed I feel is safest FOR ME. If I'm cornering poorly then that is my responsibility to look at improving that, and who knows some of those riders might be making an effort to do just that. But these things take time and practice.
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Katman to steveb64
mini meeeeeee
[QUOTE=MSTRS;1129598160]...... The problem that often occurs here is the same as that of cagers who like to drive at 60/70/80 when it's a bit windy and difficult to see for passing, yet get to passing lanes and instantly the speed jumps to 110+. Bastards.
Better training, fullstop. Apart from our likelihood of injury, why show 'we' take responsibility for the shortcomings of cagers?[/QUOTE]
I think it is more a reflection on NZers generally poor road skills full stop - i.e. giving the impression that we're the only one who counts on the road (regardless of mode of transport), our agenda is so much more important and urgent than anyone else we're sharing the road with, and ego ego ego...
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Katman to steveb64
For whom the bell tolls
Especially on a road like SH4 where it is known to have frequent rock falls and large trucks/retarded drivers using more than their lane. Taking the correct line allows you to see further through the corner, be seen earlier (and see obstacles earlier) and means that you can take the corner safer and potentially at a higher speed. It also adds to the enjoyment of riding as you end up being smoother so you don't get at tired.
I'm not saying I'm awesome, or the best road rider out there, but people who have larger bikes should be experienced enough to know how to ride them properly and be able to take the correct line through a corner. The speed part is irrelevant I guess, but I was just making a point that I was making better progress, more safely than those who were taking 'stupid' lines.
There was one guy who was in a group I caught up to that had a habit of riding extremely close to the rider in front. When I ended up in front of him it seemed the only way he held on to me was by cutting corners and late braking then running a little wide while being about 1m from my rear tyre. I let him go past and he ended up being about 500m in front of me after 20km. I could never justify the extra risks he was taking in order to arrive at the destination a half a minute earlier. Keeping your ego in control while riding - especially with people you don't know is right up there with the ability to take the correct line through a corner in terms of importance when riding any bike.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Forum whore
Whichever way I go from home is ultimately twistie, I don't give two hoots about being overtaken, I make a point of allowing faster riders past safely but I can honestly say I have never had this courtesy returned when I have caught bikes up again in the corners. The opposite is to often true, they see my catching them as a challenge to try harder which is at times terrifying. When the sparks start to fly I pullover. I'm not a fast rider but I do know a safe, quick line through a corner when I see one.
Forum whore
Yup, it's fundamental. Princess Bandit has a point though, cornering comes down to knowledge & confidence, lack of confidence will always make corners a bit tentative. I have followed riders on cruisers & the commitment they have shown cornering has left me very impressed. I would not dream of stuffing a 300kg bike through corners like some of these guys. Lack of confidence on my part waiting for the graunch wobble.
Highway Biker
Cornering lines, for say a 55 kph corner, would not all nessecarily be the same IMO. At 120-130 k's you would start wide, apex late & exit wide because you need to, to get around it. At 80 K's there is no real need to take that line at all cos you can just follow the line of the corner, safely & get around it. I do think however it is a good habit to learn to think & ride good lines so that one day when a corner suddenly tightens on you , you are positioned well on the road to deal with it. The joy of motorcycling is cornering IMO & is the place where a lot of bins occur. When ACC front up with their 3 Mil for rider development maybe we will be able to get a few more upskilled in the art of cornering.
If you don't know where you are going , any road will get you there ............
Homo Sapiens Vulgaris
While I mostly agree with you, what I have highlighted above I do not - at least not the way it is worded.
I'd go so far as to say that anyone with a license to operate any vehicle should be able to operate it competently. By competently I mean safely and efficiently - inconsiderately holding up other motorists is not efficient. Alas, casual evidence collected until this date suggests this is not the case for a significant proportion or motorists.
Also, remember it is just as easy to wrap yourself around a tree on a 250 ccm as it is on a 1000 ccm and you don't have to be going over 250 km/h for that to hurt at lot.
But I must admit I cry a little on the inside when I get stuck behind something like a 911 turbo or an RS4 being driven like a nana. If it's an old banger I just get irritated. But hell, if you bought it you can use it whichever way you want. Mind, buying a performance vehicle for any other reason than the performance is rather silly...
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Forum whore
Speed aside, it is safer (in general) for several reasons to enter from the outside of the corner anyway.
So whilst they may not be "doing it dangerously", why not, for no additional effort do it safer?
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