Fail: Sea Shepherd

[Skyryder]

As has been pointed out repeatedly, the AG powered on at the last moment, driving itself under the bow.

So let me understand this. You are saying that the skipper delibatley put his million dollar + boat, his own life and the lives of his crew in danger in one of the most hostile ocean environments in the world. And you make this without taking into the account the starboard turn tof the Sea Shepherd that clearly shows it's intentions to ram.

There's some pretty poor excuses on here for the Jap whaler but this has got to take the cake.

Skyyrder

[325rocket]

i havent read most of this and im probably not going to.
i dont care who was in the wrong as far as im concerned the japs should just fuck off and leave the whales alone.
next time ram them with something harder!

[FJRider]

The Ady Gil was clearly not as manoeuverable as the Shonan Maru as it was dead in the water, without steerage, until very shortly before impact.
It appears evident to me the Shonan Maru powered up and turned to a Starboard collision course.
Having read the ebtire thread I must say been very impressed with the quality of some posts.
The paucity of reason in many is disturbing.
I was shockrd to see the illustration of a lawyer friends comment that eye witness accounts carry little weight at court.
How people could look at two videos and see such widely divergent events is quite shocking.
No wonder so many motorcyclists get hit by cars, if the inability to see, of so many posters to this thread, is indicative of the occular abilties of the motorcycling population at large.

If I was on the jury of the trial of the Japanese master I would vote to convict.

The Ady Gil was dead in the water ... on the assumption that the Shonan Maru could not run into them because it was illegal to do so. What is important is not what eye witnesses saw, but what the respective skippers could see.

[Virago]

So let me understand this. You are saying that the skipper delibatley put his million dollar + boat, his own life and the lives of his crew in danger in one of the most hostile ocean environments in the world. And you make this without taking into the account the starboard turn tof the Sea Shepherd that clearly shows it's intentions to ram...

Congratulations on your flawed ability to put words into other people's mouths...

It is highly unlikely that the skipper of the AG would "delibatley" put his vessel and crew in mortal danger.

However, the fact remains that the burst of power from the AG, whether a misguided attempt at avoidance, sealed its own fate.

[Kickaha]

So let me understand this. You are saying that the skipper delibatley put his million dollar + boat, his own life and the lives of his crew in danger in one of the most hostile ocean environments in the world

It's pretty obvious thats exactly what the skipper did or he wouldn't have put the Ady Gil in such close proximity to the Whaler, the only way the Sea Shepherd tossers would have a got a better result for international publicity would be if a crew member had been killed

How many on here were following any of this before the collision?

[FJRider]

Then bitched that the japs ignored their distress calls ... after the hassle they GAVE the japs ... I'm not sure I'd want to be rescued by them ...if it were me.

[Swoop]

It's not that I'm all that attached to whales, but I have major issues with the japanese fleets coming down to OUR part of the world to steal natural resources. If they want to go whaling, let them do it in their waters, not ours.

Their waters are so full of sealife that hunting dolphins is perfectly alright as well.

Cunts.

Ummm the Japanese are not whaling for meat but Cetacean Research...

1000 whales certainly add to that research... and the restaurant supply which simply disposes of the waste product of that "research"...

Cunts.

[LBD]

A turn to stbd is the recognised collision avoidence rule at sea.

Rules aside, it was the Andy Gils intention to disrupt the passage of the Jap ship and intentionally using the stbd rule to do so...and ask your self, why were the protestors filming everything unless they were attempting to concoct a situation....look at all the media coverage they are getting, the purchase cost of the Andi Gil is money well spent in that regard

And what assistance could the whaler give to the Andy Gill when the Andy Gills friends were along side in a smaller boat and were more capable of rendering assistance? Any offers would have been met with open hostility.

I do think however that the NZ Govt should go beyond making whaling illegal in NZ waters, and make it illegal for any NZ company to provide any support in any form to companys activly involved with whaling...

[FJRider]

A turn to stbd is the recognised collision avoidence rule at sea.

I do think however that the NZ Govt should go beyond making whaling illegal in NZ waters, and make it illegal for any NZ company to provide any support in any form to companys activly involved with whaling...

And moving in the opposite direction of a collision is usual anywhere else ... I guess reverse for the Andy Gill was hard to find.

[terbang]

Any reasoning there, or just blathering for the sake of it..?

I'd give him a medal and a great big whale steak

[LBD]

And moving in the opposite direction of a collision is usual anywhere else ... I guess reverse for the Andy Gill was hard to find.

Walk into your local marine branch and ask the proffesionals....you will get the same statement.

If, for argument sake, the Jap boat turned to port, and powered on as you do to increase water speed (Prop wash) over the rudder to speed the turn, then the Andy Gil may well have been swamped under the stern of the vessel with the likely loss of life....A ship steers at the stern which means a turn to port involes the rear of the vessel swinging to stbd.

For those that get their Port and Stbd confused....Facing the bow, there is no RED....PORT....LEFT in the bottle.....Not that I drink the stuff.

[caseye]

I watched the initial footage here on the interwobble. What I saw told me that the Japanese Security ship had attempted to ram the Ady gil.In the footage i saw the first time there was no visible attempt by them to get out of the way or Under Way.
I was a bit miffed at the jap whalers.
I watched the next lot(apparently the only one being shown now) of footage also on the interwobble some 3 hours later and shot from a different location.The Ady Gil in this footage was deliberately positioned where the Security ship could not possiibly avoid collision, no matter whether they turned to Starboard(as per the high seas rules) or Port which would of course have put the stern of the ship right over the top of the Ady Gil.
This footage also shows quite clearly that the Ady Gil was under powered control and in the last seconds was PUT (accelerated into) directly under the bow of the oncoming ship.
While I have an absolute abhorance of anyone killing Whales or Dolphins for meat, I also have no tolerance for those who deliberately put the lives of others in danger for no good reason.
Green Peace have done nothing to further their cause here! Quite the opposite I believe.

[PrincessBandit]

Can't be fagged reading through pages and pages of physics.

My take on the bigger picture: The whole world knows you do not need to slaughter whales in order for "research"; the whole world knows whale meat is a delicacy in Japan; yes, countries have "territorial waters" but sadly whales do not stick to those "protected" waters. I use speech marks there as the whole world also knows the Japanese are not above poaching from territorial waters that are not their own.

Sea creatures have little or no understanding (I'm sure it's the latter) of what protected waters should mean for them. All they know is that they are in THEIR environment and are free to go wherever their natures take them.

Mankind is convinced that the planet is here for his benefit and gratification only and so it reasonable to assume that we will continue to pillage every last thing as if it's a commodity there purely for us until it's depleted/annihilated. Look at the deforestation in countless countries where there's filthy lucre to be made with no conscience.

"Waterworld" anyone? "The Day after Tomorrow" anyone? Hell, even "Star Trek: The Journey Home" anyone? We might laugh at it in our lifetime, but it will no doubt come eventually. It's just a pity that those responsible will most likely be long gone and so won't be around to care or deal with their consequences. There will, no doubt, be those whose hearts and consciences want to alter the course of these things, and will continue to attempt this no matter what by what method - good or poor.

[Genie]

Dear Princess Bandit.....

I have to say that you're words are beautiful. You speak from a pure heart and if the world was blessed with more like you we wouldn't need sea shepard, panda watch, spca, and all the other wonderful organisations who are fighting for those that can't fight.
Then, maybe, organisations that wish to stop family voillence, poverty and famine would have more of a chance of succeding.
There is just far too much wrong in this world....but very nice to see someone out there has it right.

Blessings
Genie

[rok-the-boat]

But the rules also stait when one is over 500 ton the 500 ton ship has right of way...

I thought that and checked - but in my little book it says this rule is true only when in the vicinity of a harbour.