Bl***dy crap NZ roads

[Motu]

Suburban streets used to bleed more than they do now.

Definetly,I used to get tar on my feet as a kid,and slide bikes and cars on the sand they layed on the tar.The highways were concrete....no tar on them.I don't remember SH1 bleeding....all other roads I rode were gravel.

[Lurch]

So in summary.

1. The road surface could be better but realistically the cost/benefit isn't far enough into the benefit part of the ratio for road users who are sensible and legal.
2. People who want something else from NZ roads need to fuck off to some other flat boring country and bitch about the price of petrol or how much tax they pay or some other shit there instead.

[Pussy]

So in summary.

1. The road surface could be better but realistically the cost/benefit isn't far enough into the benefit part of the ratio for road users who are sensible and legal.
2. People who want something else from NZ roads need to fuck off to some other flat boring country and bitch about the price of petrol or how much tax they pay or some other shit there instead.

Yep, that's about it!

[pc220]

Simple, 'cause trucks is what fucks the roads. In fact trucks are responsible for so much of the damage it might as well be 100%. If trucks pay less than the total cost of road repairs they're getting a fucking good deal.[/QUOTE]
Are you Nick Smith undercover ?. This sounds very much like his Acc speech.

[swbarnett]

West Australia has mediocre roads. Large country (2,500,000 square km) relative to a small population (2,500,000) and we travel a lot (also, we allow large trucks to chew up the roads).

Yes, but how many km of road in a given square km? I suspect NZ has a lot more than West Australia (or am I assuming too much desert?).

[rebel]

Simple, 'cause trucks is what fucks the roads. In fact trucks are responsible for so much of the damage it might as well be 100%. If trucks pay less than the total cost of road repairs they're getting a fucking good deal.

You still miss the point that we allow 50 tonne trucks on our roads, these fuckwit contactors/engineers know this yet their work turns to shit 6 months to a year after completion, while every one balmes trucks. Bulid the fucking things properly the first time and they'd be no worries.

[Ixion]

The damage to the road increases as the fourth power of weight. So, if a car be about one tonne, a 50 tionne truck, 50 times as heavy will cause 50^4 times as much damage . That is 6250000 times as much damage. Do such trucks pay 6250000 times as much toward the roads. No , they certainly do not . The reason that trucks can compete with rail si becaus etrucks are MASSIVELY subsidised by cars (and bikes). If trucks had to pay tehir fair share there would be bugger all big ones on the roads.

(Incidently , byt the same mathematics, if an average bike is 300 kg laden we should apy 1 / 3^4 roughly as much as a car - about one one hundredth very approximately. So why do we pay MORE? )

[rebel]

The damage to the road increases as the fourth power of weight. So, if a car be about one tonne, a 50 tionne truck, 50 times as heavy will cause 50^4 times as much damage . That is 6250000 times as much damage. Do such trucks pay 6250000 times as much toward the roads. No , they certainly do not . The reason that trucks can compete with rail si becaus etrucks are MASSIVELY subsidised by cars (and bikes). If trucks had to pay tehir fair share there would be bugger all big ones on the roads.

(Incidently , byt the same mathematics, if an average bike is 300 kg laden we should apy 1 / 3^4 roughly as much as a car - about one one hundredth very approximately. So why do we pay MORE? )

You don't take into account that the trucks weight, in most cases is distributed over 8 axles, up to 24 wheels/tyres, not four like a car/4wd.

[Skyryder]

Some of the best roads are over in the W Coast of the Mainland. Hard on tyres but that stretch from Grey up the Westport solid as.


skyryder

[Skyryder]

Some of the best roads are over in the W Coast of the Mainland. Hard on tyres but that stretch from Grey up the Westport solid as.


skyryder

[Pussy]

Some of the best roads are over in the W Coast of the Mainland. Hard on tyres but that stretch from Grey up the Westport solid as.


skyryder

Some of the best roads are over in the W Coast of the Mainland. Hard on tyres but that stretch from Grey up the Westport solid as.


skyryder

Heard you the first time.......

[sidecar bob]

The little racist kiwi syndrome resurfaces. You're happy enough for immigrants to come here, work hard, contribute, bring their pensions and pay taxes for years but god forbid if they make a fair complaint about anything.

Anyone with half a brain knows the roads here are shite and it's mostly because the contractors simply don't get penalised for it.

No, its not racist. Im sure all immagrants are here because they were getting a shit deal back home, maybe not in roading, but as in the case of South Africans, being murdered en masse in their own homes.
Whats your reason Scracha?
Realise how good you have it & chill out about a few things.
Incedentaly, i am the son of a Dutch immagrant & first generation of the family to be born in NZ.
I have no desire to go & visit the shit hole called Holland, i know how good i have it here from having contact with my relatives.

[geoffm]

You don't take into account that the trucks weight, in most cases is distributed over 8 axles, up to 24 wheels/tyres, not four like a car/4wd.

The rating for a NZ Fire Service appliance is 25T with an 8T axle load. Assmuming this is typical of trucks on the road (I know many are higher), then the truck is 8^4 more than the car, where a car ha saroudn 1T axle load.
Don't see the trucks paying 4100 times that of a car?
Geoff

[Ixion]

Moreover, multiple axles are very far from compensating for extra weight. In many cases the damage is not bump impact (from a singlke wheel), but rather depression of an entire section of seal, from the great distributed weight on it. That is, the weight of the truck causes the road surface to flex. That is why we see corrogations and troughs in roads that trucks use.

[red mermaid]

If we are going to talk about trucks weights, lets get the weights allowed accurate.

The maximum weight for a truck and trailer (7 or 8 axles) is 44 tonne, and the same for a B-train (7-9 axles).

There is limited trials being held for gross weights up to 50 tonne but these are on specified routes and tightly controlled as to the vehicles to be used, the company and drivers, the payload, and the route they can use.

As a truck axle moves down the road it sets up a wave action in front of the axle, and NZ having flexible pavements, the road is designed to do this.

Transport operators pay considerally for the use of the roads through Road User Charges, and according to their lobby group the Road Transport Forum, pay more than their fair share.

Of course there is a specialist group within the NZ police who do the job of making sure that transport operators comply with the huge number of rules controlling them but they are often hamstrung in their efforts by cost, which sort of brings us full circle back to getting the quality of road we can afford, and maintaining that quality.