Sidecar racing shit talk thread

[sidecar bob]

i love this place you guys moan way more than the other guys

More wheels equals more to moan about. I was hoping this thread was turning into a general sidecar chit chat thread, because i was kinda over it.

[sidecar bob]

I blaim it on being a youngster at the time haha haha

I blame it on that bloke Neil that had the old International Ambulance bike transporter that raced a TZ350.
Does anyone remember him?
Its kind of a, "if you knew him you probably wont remember him" situation, if you get my drift.

[pubic hare]

Managed correctly, it would be quite feasible to get 20 outfits on the grid for most all of the nationals. We had 19 a few years ago & theres more in the country now.
There would have been at least another eight (without me even putting pen to paper) down south this year if things had gone according to the wishes of the NZSRA majority.

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OK sidecar bob, why don't we take a poll to see whether you should be the manager of this whole show?

Before that its' time to put your money where your mouth is and start listing those 20, yes twenty, sidecars that you say feasibly could be on the grid for the national championships.

[sidecar bob]

OK sidecar bob, why don't we take a poll to see whether you should be the manager of this whole show?

Before that its' time to put your money where your mouth is and start listing those 20, yes twenty, sidecars that you say feasibly could be on the grid for the national championships.

Another interesting post completely devoid of any thought or research.
Fortunately I have had considerable experience in coping with this level of intelligence, having swung on sidecars over a number of years & having dealt with the riders of these machines.
While I am flattered that you would would want to run a poll to gauge my popularity, that is entirely unnecessary as sidecar racing has a sound management structure called the NZSRA. The "Manager" or prospective President, is nominated at the AGM & subsequently voted in on a majority vote system.
The function of the President is to communicate the wishes of the majority to the organisers & powers that be, in order to maximise the benifit for ALL competitors.
This system falls down when individuals bypass this procedure to promote their own agenda's at which point the system becomes a dictatorship (many following the wishes of a few)
"Correctly managed" would include all members conveying their wishes through the association, with organisers & officials listening to the wishes of the association & acting accordingly, combined discount shipping for competitors crossing Cook Straight, and possibly the reinstatment of prize money at national events as a "carrot" to attract further entries.
As for listing twenty competitors that would compete in the National Championship, im sure you can source an association member list, the competitors would come from this list, although it would be presumptuous of me to actually name names.
I may be slightly out with my machine count, because as i recall, a new competitor was sold a machine with a serious design flaw (Coroners finding, not my opinion) which subsequently failed, taking the passengers life. I understand anecdotally that this machine was later deliberately destroyed. And while another top machine was unfortunately also destroyed in a crash in Australia, It still leaves us with a considerable pool of functioning machines.
I have a photo on my lounge wall taken by Ewen Cameron at the National champs in '07 & widely circulated amongst competitors at the time, with twenty sidecars & their crews in it, which i am happy to name & number on here.
I see no reason why it is not feasible to have a repeat of that turn out seeing as all but one of the machines in the photo still exists, & several more top machines that have been manufactured since that date are about these days.
I hope this helps,
Cheers, Steve.

[Bykmad]

Bob.

Good answer.
I have one question. (Not of you Bob, because we all know who you are, as a number of people know who I am.)
Who is Pubic Hare??????
Could it possibly be someone hiding behind an alias? Surely not

[Kickaha]

Who is Pubic Hare??????
Could it possibly be someone hiding behind an alias? Surely not

I asked the same question of that one post wonder "Rotary" but he/she was to gutless to answer

Had a wonderful time racing on the weekend pity you weren't all down here

Back later to ask some questions and maybe to provide some answer for some of what Bob has said

Still awaiting a decent reply from Jim Tuckerman as he's dodging around the issue rather than addressing it and still using the Timaru truck meeting as an excuse

[howdamnhard]

Full coverage of the sidecar racing is now up on www.speedbox.tv

Cool link , thanks.

[Kickaha]

Thought about racing Chairs again soon, but Fuck this thread has scared me off big time

Not man enough more likely

This is a little off topic but was there a time when Chairs raced at club meetings?

Looks like alot of fun, and to be able to share costs/fun would be a great thing too, trouble is there don't seem to be alot of meetings (nth isl anyway) to justify having the $$ tied up.

The South still has a reasonably active club scene with anything up to 7-9 meetings available for us to compete at, but if we get 6 outfits on the gird it's considered a good field although all going well that will change this year as there seems to be renewed interest down here

The North in moderns hasn't had a club scene for some time now and I think unless someone takes on the job of organising it is unlikely to

Yes, that was when you could own & run a reasonable one very cheaply.
Scrivy & i came third in the NZ champs in '87 on a machine that cost $1600, now you wouldnt even be in the hunt for much under 50k.

1987 is 23 years ago and ancient history

Like all classes it has changed, not everyone is happy with the change but that doesn't mean it is wrong, it just means it is different than what it used to be and it is unlikely to ever go back

There is huge scope in this country for F2 sidecars, the same as Tracey & Astrid have. They are absolutely awesome to ride & dont wear tyres bits out as fast as other larger machines & use popular 600cc engines.
I think its time to seriously think about running off some new chassis to get the ball rolling.

I'm not so sure of the "huge scope" for F2 and sooner or later someone will bring in new LCR or DMR F2 bikes and the bitching about chequebook racers will start all over

i love this place you guys moan way more than the other guys

Possibly, but we crash less than you do

Before that its' time to put your money where your mouth is and start listing those 20, yes twenty, sidecars that you say feasibly could be on the grid for the national championships.

The numbers really are there, a lot of them sitting unused in peoples shed, I rang a guy yesterday to see if he'd be interested in selling as the outfit hasn't been used for the last 5-6 years only got an answer phone and he hasn't returned the call so I guess it will sit there a while longer

Another interesting post completely devoid of any thought or research.
Fortunately I have had considerable experience in coping with this level of intelligence, having swung on sidecars over a number of years & having dealt with Scrivy.

Fixed that for you

"Correctly managed" would include all members conveying their wishes through the association, with organisers & officials listening to the wishes of the association & acting accordingly, combined discount shipping for competitors crossing Cook Straight, and possibly the reinstatment of prize money at national events as a "carrot" to attract further entries.

The current organiser and especially the MNZ President seem less than interested in what the NZSRA (an affiliated club) and it's membership have to say, I think the NZSRA membership should be letting them know in no uncertain terms what they think and that we should lobby the NZSRA membership to Vote JT out at the next election, hopefully someone who will once again listen to what the membership want will stand against him

Prize money was never an attraction for me and the money paid was lucky if it'd pay for your gas so unless it increased substantially I doubt it would be much of a carrot

As for listing twenty competitors that would compete in the National Championship, im sure you can source an association member list, the competitors would come from this list, although it would be presumptuous of me to actually name names.

So you really mean you have no idea

It still leaves us with a considerable pool of functioning machines.

Most of which seem to sit in peoples sheds for most of the year and come out for 1-2 meetings

I have a photo on my lounge wall taken by Ewen Cameron at the National champs in '07 & widely circulated amongst competitors at the time, with twenty sidecars & their crews in it, which i am happy to name & number on here.

20 sidecars but only 19 crews, don't forget two of them belonged to the Pirate, ask Rat how much exercise he got that season

I see no reason why it is not feasible to have a repeat of that turn out seeing as all but one of the machines in the photo still exists, & several more top machines that have been manufactured since that date are about these days.

All but one may still exist but how many have been actively raced in the last year? probably 1/2

Also wasn't it that year entry fees were subsidised? and travel money was paid

In Chch area we have 8 either racing or in various states of disrepair/rebuild, in the North I would expect 2-3 times that number so I see no reason we couldn't have fields of 20+ if everyone was sufficiently motivated enough to attend, how we supply that motivation I have no idea

[racer40]

lots of good answers to the threads kickaha

[Taz]

Veri entataneing fred but yous guyz cunt speil fur shite.

[FROSTY:Me]

Guys can I ask please. And No Im not pisstaking. Given that dirt chairs race same track,same time as stockcars.(same day)Why do you guys race the bike nationals rather than in with the car nationals? I heard that the chairs were seen as a welcolm addition to some events

[scrivy]

1987 is 23 years ago and ancient history Twas a time of real men........


Possibly, but we crash less than you do There's also less homos in the sidecar scene.........


The current organiser and especially the MNZ President seem less than interested in what the NZSRA (an affiliated club) and it's membership have to say, I think the NZSRA membership should be letting them know in no uncertain terms what they think and that we should lobby the NZSRA membership to Vote JT out at the next election, hopefully someone who will once again listen to what the membership want will stand against him Why do we need MNZ for a series?? They keep accusing us of a breakaway anyway!!

Prize money was never an attraction for me and the money paid was lucky if it'd pay for your gas so unless it increased substantially I doubt it would be much of a carrot What if it was a pie instead of a carrot.......????



So you really mean you have no idea And the lightbulb goes on......



Most of which seem to sit in peoples sheds for most of the year and come out for 1-2 meetings
and kick peoples asses in the process.........


20 sidecars but only 19 crews, don't forget two of them belonged to the Pirate, ask Rat how much exercise he got that season Are you saying some of us are a sandwich short of a picnic......??


Also wasn't it that year entry fees were subsidised? and travel money was paid The good bastards at Taupo Plastics subsidised the entries that year........

In Chch area we have 8 either racing or in various states of disrepair/rebuild, in the North I would expect 2-3 times that number so I see no reason we couldn't have fields of 20+ if everyone was sufficiently motivated enough to attend, how we supply that motivation I have no idea

The very reason why I feel I should never convert over to a long bike. In all seriousness, I feel that all the short bike owners would cut the friggin things up for never again being competitive enough for the nationals. Maybe......... we should run a short bike cup in conjunction with the F1?????

[scrivy]

I have one question. Who is Pubic Hare??????
Could it possibly be someone hiding behind an alias? Surely not

Or from someone's fan club!!!

[White trash]

There's also less homos in the sidecar scene.........

Ummmm, Divvo never stayed at your place obviously mate. We're reluctant to have him back at best.......

The very reason why I feel I should never convert over to a long bike. In all seriousness, I feel that all the short bike owners would cut the friggin things up for never again being competitive enough for the nationals. Maybe......... we should run a short bike cup in conjunction with the F1?????

And THIS is without a doubt, the single best possible solution I've yet read in response to the issues thus far. The only issue would be someone would still import an LCR F2 to win a championship. If the rules could be written, that the existing "short chair" technology is legal without the big dollars being spent, and a seperate championship in the same series, I'm confident numbers would once again be boosted and more new blood introduced.

Let's face it, everyone wants to go as fast as possible and those that can, would step up to the Long bike class just to go faster. Those that want to race, have fun could spent ten on a rig and still be competitive within their own championship to a reasonable degree.

Personal experience, Drew and I have looked at a couple of rigs. We want to have fun BUT, we're Mairs. We want to be at least a little bit competitive. No way can we come up with 50 G in our current circumstance but if someone said, "Here's a class you can run against similar machines for 10" we'd be in. NZ's far different to other countries. We don't have the income or sponsorship available to run an F1 F2 series, but short and long? Makes perfect sense.

[sidecar bob]

I am now the proud owner of Four R6 engines & Three YZF600 engines, i will be using two of the arse sex engines in Traceys thing & the rest will be for sale at knockdown prices to anyone wanting to build & run a F2 machine.