Judge shocked at biker's bridge stunt - The Mormon's Bridge Video

[avgas]

Anyhow, who is out to damage Carver other than himself and the Law, not much I can do apart from laugh at the situation he got himself into......laugh laugh

Apparently you. Seems 100's of others have actually stayed out of this conversation - and I imagine a large percentage of them probably dislike Carver as much as you.

Also I notice here that someone has mentioned - what if this went the other way. What would happen.
Its pretty simple actually.
- DB would say something like "He fucken deserved it"
- Quasi would slam DB for speaking his mind, then want him chucked off.
- A porn thread would start, then someone will complain about "not waving"
- Dean will get involved and say that he didn't wave because his is Maori

And so continues the circle of life.
Or would it?

[avgas]

hahahaha, yeah there's definately entertainment and straws going on here

Ha, reminds me of Hamilton pub crawls

[Oscar]

Ha, reminds me of Hamilton pub crawls

Reminds you?
If you have any memories, it can't have been a good night...

[mister.koz]

Reminds you?
If you have any memories, it can't have been a good night...

Yeah none spring to mind, although i have reports i may have been there for 7 years or so...

$1 tequila shots at the fats

[Oscar]

Yeah none spring to mind, although i have reports i may have been there for 7 years or so...

$1 tequila shots at the fats

Hamilton Motorcycle Club Pushbike Pub crawl 1981 - mayhem...

[avgas]

Reminds you?
If you have any memories, it can't have been a good night...

Kept the memories and didn't gain any kids. Was a good night

[mister.koz]

Hamilton Motorcycle Club Pushbike Pub crawl 1981 - mayhem...

HA! now that sounds awesome, of course now you'd all be done for DIC and the homies and the homeless would steal your bikes (and your ciggy buts).

[merv]

OK I still never really got any answers from hypocrites or saints or those in between like me, but it does sound like there is a general acceptance that much of motorcycling has risks associated with it and some people are clearly greater risk takers than others.

Even mention of pub crawls by pushbike that you can't remember afterwards reeks of great risks being taken and as the event can't be remembered they don't even know how many members of the public they put at risk anyway.

I only stepped into this thread when the stuff about carver putting the public at risk came into it. In my humble opinion I would rate what he did on a likelihood and consequence basis as low risk to the public.

What people do on the Coro loop probably fits more in the moderate risk category as the likelihood of hitting someone is higher in my view.

The only other thing, where was Lisa Lewis that day, surely she could have helped distract the public and keep them off the bridge - that is if there were even any public crossing the bridge then?

[Oscar]

OK I still never really got any answers from hypocrites or saints or those in between like me, but it does sound like there is a general acceptance that much of motorcycling has risks associated with it and some people are clearly greater risk takers than others.

Even mention of pub crawls by pushbike that you can't remember afterwards reeks of great risks being taken and as the event can't be remembered they don't even know how many members of the public they put at risk anyway.

I only stepped into this thread when the stuff about carver putting the public at risk came into it. In my humble opinion I would rate what he did on a likelihood and consequence basis as low risk to the public.

What people do on the Coro loop probably fits more in the moderate risk category as the likelihood of hitting someone is higher in my view.

The only other thing, where was Lisa Lewis that day, surely she could have helped distract the public and keep them off the bridge - that is if there were even any public crossing the bridge then?

That's some fairly suspect rationalisation going on there Merv.
As I said earlier, we have only Carvers assurance that he is an expert (and in his own postings here he tends to contradict himself).
Look on U Tube, at all the stupid crashes and near misses on bikes - most of those guys would say they were experts too.

If we accept that he is competent to pull this stunt, what about all the wannabes that come later? Can they do it?
No they fucking can't, and I tell you why - my wife and child cross that bridge twice a day.

When all is said and done, Carver knew what he did was wrong, and now he bleats about the consequences.

[mister.koz]

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I only stepped into this thread when the stuff about carver putting the public at risk came into it. In my humble opinion I would rate what he did on a likelihood and consequence basis as low risk to the public.

What people do on the Coro loop probably fits more in the moderate risk category as the likelihood of hitting someone is higher in my view.
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Ha humble opinion, there's nothing humble there.

I suspect that if people were caught doing the coro loop in a way that could risk public safety then they would be in trouble with the plod.

The fact is that we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system. On one hand you have people getting off dangerous driving charges because the cop put the wrong date down on the ticket and on the other hand you get some poor bugger who left a party pissed as, jumped in the drivers seat with the intention of sleeping it off in the car and being charged with DIC because there's no way to prove he wasn't going to drive. (both stories from mates - first one bough a radar that he can buy but can't use for speeding, the second one sleeps in the back seat now)

The same thing is happening here, carver did a stunt. Which i think was pretty awesome but did put people at risk. Allot of people thought this was awesome and because of this (and someone dobbed him in i think) the legal system got wind of it, found a reason for it not to be good and have pursued the action they can.

ps, i don't think someone could ride up a board, over the humps at a consistant speed and hop a bike off the other end without competence.

[merv]

Oscar, I have made just a few points on here and none of them were really about whether carver was an expert or not.

I originally questioned the legal issues and asked basically if a dangerous driving charge fitted the bill because I think the "judge shocked" is a bit ridiculous. Then when all the outpourings against carver occurred, I questioned the relativitiy of risk of his stunt to the public compared to the crazy riding that occurs by others on a regular basis - hence the hypocrite or saint question.

You are right about wannabes they can cause problems but what about relative risk? What is the likelihood your wife would be hit by a falling trials bike which was putting along slowly over the arches. She may hear it (unless she is deaf) and have time to see it before she went onto the bridge. Compare that to the missile sports bike coming around a blind bend so quickly that gets out of control and hits a car head on. Crikey as we know two of them couldn't even avoid hitting each other.

OK, so what now? Do we accept that yes the judge should be shocked, but not just at carver, but at the whole crazy motorcycling fraternity that we are part of?

I just didn't like seeing this stunt being singled out as so bad as if this will fix the world. Oscar, you have said yourself its not the first time the stunt has been done.

[Oscar]

Oscar, I have made just a few points on here and none of them were really about whether carver was an expert or not.

I originally questioned the legal issues and asked basically if a dangerous driving charge fitted the bill because I think the "judge shocked" is a bit ridiculous. Then when all the outpourings against carver occurred, I questioned the relativitiy of risk of his stunt to the public compared to the crazy riding that occurs by others on a regular basis - hence the hypocrite or saint question.

You are right about wannabes they can cause problems but what about relative risk? What is the likelihood your wife would be hit by a falling trials bike which was putting along slowly over the arches. She may hear it (unless she is deaf) and have time to see it before she went onto the bridge. Compare that to the missile sports bike coming around a blind bend so quickly that gets out of control and hits a car head on. Crikey as we know two of them couldn't even avoid hitting each other.

OK, so what now? Do we accept that yes the judge should be shocked, but not just at carver, but at the whole crazy motorcycling fraternity that we are part of?

I just didn't like seeing this stunt being singled out as so bad as if this will fix the world. Oscar, you have said yourself its not the first time the stunt has been done.

What has the Coro Loop or similar got to do with this?
This bridge is not on the open road or on a quiet back road, it's right in the middle of a metropolitan centre.

As someone has pointed out, illegal behaviour on that road or on a bridge arch will get you snapped by plod. By your "logic" any ex-racer (my good self for example), would have a defense against dangerous driving because they are competent.

The difference with this particular stunt and any others discussed is that the perpetrator is now bleating at having had his collar felt. He complained that plod has better things to do.

Now you're saying the judge should go easy 'cause people do worse things - that's like saying that beating your wife is OK, because at least you didn't beat your kids...

[avgas]

I suspect that if people were caught doing the coro loop in a way that could risk public safety then they would be in trouble with the plod..

Yes but didn't you hear speeding kills.
Smoking kills.
Riding motorbikes kills.
Having fun kills.

BAN THEM ALL!!!!!! AWAY WITH THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!!




heh
I agree that if something endangers Jo-blo than it is of concern. But here is a guy riding a bridge (empty at the time)........not doing anyone any harm except for himself.
Mabey I am wrong, mabey people shouldn't have a bit of sense of adventure - take a few risks.

[avgas]

we have only Carvers assurance that he is an expert

I actually think this doesn't matter. For the note I don't think Carver is an expert (sorry man - but hear me out).
Fact of the matter was for him to be an expert he would have this setup perfectly. He would have years of published experience behind him.
However also fact of the matter - he went out there knowing he was not an expert. And still attempted it.

This is earth shattering stuff - if he can do this as a junior, imagine what he would be like as a trained expert.

[avgas]

As someone has pointed out, illegal behaviour on that road or on a bridge arch will get you snapped by plod. By your "logic" any ex-racer (my good self for example), would have a defense against dangerous driving because they are competent.

Rather than own up?
Yeah you guys are real men in comparison to Carver.
Sorry man - but you basically said that the more skills you have, the more you whine about the man bringing you down.