ACT MP wants to offer sterilisation incentive

[Skyryder]

Stoopid comment of the day award goes to Skyryder, who thinks we should all be poor and live in a communistic state.

Wealth should be created by productivity or by providing a service. Hide along with Key and his cronies believe that they have the right to live off the backs of those that do some actuall work. If you think this equates with communism or poverty then there is not much more I can say.


Skyryder

[Quasievil]

That could work I guess... but my views on the answer aren't exactly mainstream (Resource-Based Economy for me (communistic to a certain extent))... and as such I fear that until the government implement ideas such as the one stated by Garrett, NZ will go from the communistic 80's and end up stuck in the rut of rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer and all governments screwing the people in an attempt to balance the books... because money is more important to an economy than the people (I mean expendable resources)...

Half the reason the poor are getting poorer is the fact that half of them are a pack of lazy fuckers that are hell bent on bleeding this small country dry by way of social welfare type payments.
NZ is riddled with LAZY people, people who think they are owed a living when they contribute nothing, 2nd 3rd 4th generation LAZY fuckers........consecutive governments allow this to continue as they have no FUCKING BALLS to address the problem.
Cut welfare payments radically and encourage "the lazy fuckers" into education and give them an incentive to contribute to their existence.

But now I finished ranting, its always a balance isnt it, however I think the balance is fucked up as it always points towards the minority interest, i.e if we have wealth in the DOC lands and its only going to be a minor intrusion to get at it, let dig the freckin stuff out and sell it FFS, screw the greenies who want to live with a horse in a grass skirt praising mother earth (who is prolly on DPB welfare anyway)

[Quasievil]

Wealth should be created by productivity or by providing a service. Hide along with Key and his cronies believe that they have the right to live off the backs of those that do some actuall work. If you think this equates with communism or poverty then there is not much more I can say.


Skyryder

You think Key doesnt work ? remarkable!

[mashman]

Half the reason the poor are getting poorer is the fact that half of them are a pack of lazy fuckers that are hell bent on bleeding this small country dry by way of social welfare type payments.
NZ is riddled with LAZY people, people who think they are owed a living when they contribute nothing, 2nd 3rd 4th generation LAZY fuckers........consecutive governments allow this to continue as they have no FUCKING BALLS to address the problem.
Cut welfare payments radically and encourage "the lazy fuckers" into education and give them an incentive to contribute to their existence.

Very true... but like you say, the bleeding hearts are always trying to "manage" society and that's never worked where there's a $ involved. The incentive for being paid not to have kids is a great idea... providing noone can take advantage of it. It should, in theory, save the country plenty of money/agro whatever you wanna call it. I can't believe that Key just dismissed as not being part of the National plan... he must see the benefits...

But now I finished ranting, its always a balance isnt it, however I think the balance is fucked up as it always points towards the minority interest, i.e if we have wealth in the DOC lands and its only going to be a minor intrusion to get at it, let dig the freckin stuff out and sell it FFS, screw the greenies who want to live with a horse in a grass skirt praising mother earth (who is prolly on DPB welfare anyway)

The problem with digging stuff up to sell is that the companies that get the work could potentially provide work for 2000 people (2000 for arguments sake)... but in all likelyhood, and driven by profit margins, only 1500 people would likely be employed... yes it's better than nothing, but when that "resource" runs out... then what... back to square one... The rich will be happy because they are now richer (their company so why not), but the workers will be out of a job... potentially permanently... it's just another short term solution to generate some $$$... we're in the 21st century... short term solutions should be a thing of the past... I'd rather be raising my kids (24/7) than having to work to fund a roof over their heads, put clothes on their backs, provide transport for them etc... and pay the government almost half of my salary in taxes for the privilege...

[mashman]

I'd sterilize ACT. The biggest bludgers in this country are those that live on the wealth that is created by the likes of you and I i.e. the taxpayer.


Skyryder

I'll take option B thanks Phil... I see the real bludgers as those who accumulate money and don't put it back into the system... they just save it and get exhorbitant amounts of interest from the banks... they could essentially live for free, but in the pursuit of $$$ can never have enough... at least the DPB folk put most of the money back into the system...

[Quasievil]

The problem with digging stuff up to sell is that the companies that get the work could potentially provide work for 2000 people (2000 for arguments sake)... but in all likelyhood, and driven by profit margins, only 1500 people would likely be employed... yes it's better than nothing, but when that "resource" runs out... then what... back to square one... The rich will be happy because they are now richer

Common dude, 1500 people will be richer for it to, and nothing is forever we all (those who work) live by the knowledge that our jobs may not last forever.
Dig it out of the ground and build Value add on abilities to grow the economy even more (as opposed to send sawdust of shore and import same sawdust in a sheet of plywood scenarios)

[mashman]

Common dude, 1500 people will be richer for it to, and nothing is forever we all (those who work) live by the knowledge that our jobs may not last forever.
Dig it out of the ground and build Value add on abilities to grow the economy even more (as opposed to send sawdust of shore and import same sawdust in a sheet of plywood scenarios)

Agreed, those 1500 people may well be richer for it... We all know nothing is forever, but we don't save as if that's the case... mainly because the lower paid ends of society rely on their salaries to see the week through... saving isn't an option, because there's nothing left to save... so when the job terminates yadda yadda... I guess it's all swings and roundabouts... some will prosper, some won't...

Your vision of how it could/should be done is noble... i fear those that actually get in there won't be as noble as yourself... intent on getting rich... but that's my bias I guess...

[Clockwork]

yep becuase we are sick of being fucked over and be made to pay for someone else's choice of living.

the classic example is my parents have worked all their lives and on the super get the same as some fuck who has pissed it up the wall, and to add insult to injury they get means tested and because the have saved they get less and get taxed on there savings.

Yes it is all so sad about all the bastard children and yes it was not their choice to be born and again it is my choice not to pay for them.
for far too long it has become a lifestyle choice and it is time it stopped.

Oh and as for the "fuck everyone else as long as I'm alright" statement, i bet you these fucks wouldn't give a shit about anyone else so why should we care about them.

I'm not aware that Super is means tested. It shouldn't be.

Didi it ever occur to you that those without savings didn't "piss it against the wall", they just didn't have anything
left to save after paying thier cost of living. And if they did have savings, I'm sure you'd happily tell them to spend all that before comming to the state for assistance.

Never mind, I know its way earsier to make assumptions to justify the chip on your shoulder.

And you're right some of the people on DPB won't give fuck about the tax payer, but I was asking people to consider the welfare of the kids remember?.

Christ, any mention of phisical abuse or sexual abuse of children and folks on here are all too happy to rant and rave about how they would exact retribution upon the offender but it would seem we are more than happy to let them starve in the streets in order to punish their parents.

[avgas]

I see where this argument is going? and as per standard I have a point of view which aligns with a few on here (Quasi I am run out of green reps for 2day).
Rather than communism vs capitalism. I ask a simple question.....
"Who is John Galt?"

[BoristheBiter]

I'm not aware that Super is means tested. It shouldn't be.

Didi it ever occur to you that those without savings didn't "piss it against the wall", they just didn't have anything
left to save after paying thier cost of living. And if they did have savings, I'm sure you'd happily tell them to spend all that before comming to the state for assistance.

Never mind, I know its way earsier to make assumptions to justify the chip on your shoulder.

And you're right some of the people on DPB won't give fuck about the tax payer, but I was asking people to consider the welfare of the kids remember?.

Christ, any mention of phisical abuse or sexual abuse of children and folks on here are all too happy to rant and rave about how they would exact retribution upon the offender but it would seem we are more than happy to let them starve in the streets in order to punish their parents.

we wil have to disagree on this and leave it there.
I have seen far to many people on benfits that used it as a lifestyle and don't care.
No i don't have a chip on my shoulder its a fucking building now.
only 3 out of every 5 people in NZ work and 1 of the 2 is payed out of tax revenue.
there is something like 2.5billion dollars spent each year from Work and income.

think of what our health care would be like if they had that to spend

Super isn't means tested but if want something (home help etc) then it is.

[Mudfart]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...tion-incentive

It's about time something like this was done. It should also be extended to all the sluts who stay at home all day breeding like rabbits who are on the dole costing this country millions of $ every year who can't even take proper care of their kids.

"some" of these women are doing it purely to collect larger benefit checks, they dont give a crap about the kids. I know because I've worked on the worst south auckland streets, lived down schiffnal in alfriston, manurewa, and in the country this kind of benefit "exploitation" is even more prolific.

[Quasievil]

only 3 out of every 5 people in NZ work and 1 of the 2 is payed out of tax revenue.

And thats 2 votes per 5 that will keep their gravy train comin in, take into account the stoopid and the support industries we will be fucked forever.

REVOLUTION, lets shoot the bastards !!

[Skyryder]

You think Key doesnt work ? remarkable!

Prir to coming into politics and a short stint at LWR Key just made money on the stock market. He has not produced or provided a servise in anyway whatsoever. Bit like those on the dole in'it?? Just a 'leach' on those of us that do work.

As for Key working in Parliment strange how he now has the moniker 'do nothing.' So what's new??


Skyryder

[Quasievil]

Prir to coming into politics and a short stint at LWR Key just made money on the stock market.
Skyryder

Without working, he made all that money!!! Sheesh I am in the wrong feild.

like I say remarkable.

Im interested to know what you define as work then dude

Actually your avatar explains all I need to know hehe

[Oscar]

Prir to coming into politics and a short stint at LWR Key just made money on the stock market. He has not produced or provided a servise in anyway whatsoever. Bit like those on the dole in'it?? Just a 'leach' on those of us that do work.

As for Key working in Parliment strange how he now has the moniker 'do nothing.' So what's new??


Skyryder

As opposed to the lefty career path?
University (Student) - University (Lecturer) - Parliament - United Nations