Can anyone tell me why bike shops only open for half a day on Sunday?

[Kickaha]

to add fuel to the fire.i discoverd a very similar business model today.tyre shops.How on earth do you guys mange to get tyres for your car(s)

Tyre shops have been there and done that and also found it doesn't work to open either 7 days or late nights or late Saturday (at least down here anyway)

[SS90]

Sat 6.53pm just seen the last customer.............cheers Pumba !!

If I may be so bold there Quasi, and if I am being too nosey, just say so, but perhaps we could use you as a "for instance"

I don't know your business model, but I was told a few months back that you have "job", and the gear business is secondary income (If I am wrong here, I appologise)

So, I was just wondering if you would be able to give an indication of your turnover for Saturday.

Basing my (maybe incorrect) belief that your overheads are therefore lower (your wife and yourself as the staff?), and a small showroom that is "open by appointment"..........

I applaud your business ethic, but, I was just trying to bring up the argument that if your shop was a 6 day week, several employee operation, then you would HIGHLY unlikely to be open at such a time on Saturday, due to the high costs assosiated with such an operation.

The reason I wondered what your Saturday turnover was, because I would like to know if you could justify having 3 staff members on for the whole Saturday, and that their wages (and all other costs) would be met from the turnover, let alone "something left over"

In a small operation such as yours (I am going to refer to it as a "Mom & Pop" operation, that's no insult by the way), which is generally only staffed by the directors (you and your wife for example) costs are significantly lower than in "more expansive operations" (involving several staff, all working full time), enabling like, the example you gave, extreme opening hours.

[SS90]

He He, the only one angry here is you Taylor, it's because the Viscount Montgomery bowled you off the strutting pompous 'I know everything' high-horse you'd been building for yourself here for so long. Don't be so sulky. You shouldn't be angry, you should be grateful, now you're starting to come down to earth and starting to ditch all your snooty self-righteousness, you should be chilling and finding things a lot easier than before.

Am I right? Yes, you know I am. But don't expect any more free favors from me. BTW, I got my spring in the end, hyperco, NZ$112 delivered, beats the fucking hell out of over $300 from your shifty racetech lot don't you think?

To Crasherfromwayback, you sound like another one wrapped-up in your own self-importance too, hostile and indignant, how dare anyone criticize the bikeshops eh? The special people such as yourselves should be beyond reproach at all times. My god, the ignorant plebs like me should know their station in life shouldn't they.


So if you've got something to say next time, why don't you try talking straight to whoever you're addressing. Beats a snivelly comment to someone else sneering with you on the side, someone who you know will hold your hand, cuddle up and comfort you with safety in numbers. The terrible nasty Viscount montgomery a bit too much for you to handle on your own huh? LOL

PS Cheer up the pair of you, life's way too short to be pissing your panties on internet forums

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[SS90]

Four of those brands will drive the mechanics to drink with lots of stupid problems and warranty claims, only two are worth having.

Yes, Hyosung and Gilera are fantastic brands.

[SS90]

Drury Tyres stock motorcycle and car tyres (and organise rides!). They have a 24 hour call out service, and are open all day Satirday (I htink - well into the afternoon, anyway). They also do online quotes.

Rowes Tyres stock car and ike tyres, they are open 7 days a week, and you can order over the internet and they will ship to you.

And Cycletreads are open 7 days a week.
No doubt there are others, those are just the ones I use.

But, it's all good. We are assured that the bike shops are all creaming it, raking in the coin, and won't be at all affected if we order stuff off the net . So, we will. And everybody's happy.

But Ixion, 2 or the 3 examples you gave cater to cars as well. Their market is many times bigger than the bike market alone.

Ask the owners what their turnover is on the bike tyres alone from 2pm Saturday till 6pm Sunday.... I will wager than it is not enough to pay the rent, let alone the staff for those days.

This is why only 1 bike shop does it (Cycletreads)...infact, if another tyre shop was to open up across the road from Cycletreads on Sunday, neither would survive (assuming that sales where then halved).

You see what I mean?

Bike tyres for shops like that are simply "add ons" to the usual business (which is car tyres)

[Quasievil]

If I may be so bold there Quasi, and if I am being too nosey, just say so, but perhaps we could use you as a "for instance"

I don't know your business model, but I was told a few months back that you have "job", and the gear business is secondary income (If I am wrong here, I appologise)

So, I was just wondering if you would be able to give an indication of your turnover for Saturday.

Basing my (maybe incorrect) belief that your overheads are therefore lower (your wife and yourself as the staff?), and a small showroom that is "open by appointment"..........

I applaud your business ethic, but, I was just trying to bring up the argument that if your shop was a 6 day week, several employee operation, then you would HIGHLY unlikely to be open at such a time on Saturday, due to the high costs assosiated with such an operation.

The reason I wondered what your Saturday turnover was, because I would like to know if you could justify having 3 staff members on for the whole Saturday, and that their wages (and all other costs) would be met from the turnover, let alone "something left over"

In a small operation such as yours (I am going to refer to it as a "Mom & Pop" operation, that's no insult by the way), which is generally only staffed by the directors (you and your wife for example) costs are significantly lower than in "more expansive operations" (involving several staff, all working full time), enabling like, the example you gave, extreme opening hours.

lol yes to all of that, this was a dig at DUMTED I mean DMNTD (me mate) was having a laugh about it on Friday at Mt eden m/c.

[Ixion]

But Ixion, 2 or the 3 examples you gave cater to cars as well. Their market is many times bigger than the bike market alone.

Ask the owners what their turnover is on the bike tyres alone from 2pm Saturday till 6pm Sunday.... I will wager than it is not enough to pay the rent, let alone the staff for those days.

This is why only 1 bike shop does it (Cycletreads)...infact, if another tyre shop was to open up across the road from Cycletreads on Sunday, neither would survive (assuming that sales where then halved).

You see what I mean?

Bike tyres for shops like that are simply "add ons" to the usual business (which is car tyres)

It was a response to Mr BMWST's question 'where do you get your (car) tyres from'. There are other car tyre places, I just know the ones involved with bikes.

But the real point is, I don't care if they do bike tyres as well as car ones. Rowes is bike tyres as an add on to cars, Drury is other way round (they are Redeemed,have hire bikes sprockets and stuff good people). I just want a tyre, I don't care where it comes from.

I think this is the way it will all go in the future. Tyre shops will take over bike tyres, bike gear will move to sports gear shops like Rebel sport, basically bike shops will disappear. Not next year, but maybe 10 years

[scott411]

Drury Tires is not open sundays btw

[Robert Taylor]

He He, the only one angry here is you Taylor, it's because the Viscount Montgomery bowled you off the strutting pompous 'I know everything' high-horse you'd been building for yourself here for so long. Don't be so sulky. You shouldn't be angry, you should be grateful, now you're starting to come down to earth and starting to ditch all your snooty self-righteousness, you should be chilling and finding things a lot easier than before.

Am I right? Yes, you know I am. But don't expect any more free favors from me. BTW, I got my spring in the end, hyperco, NZ$112 delivered, beats the fucking hell out of over $300 from your shifty racetech lot don't you think?

To Crasherfromwayback, you sound like another one wrapped-up in your own self-importance too, hostile and indignant, how dare anyone criticize the bikeshops eh? The special people such as yourselves should be beyond reproach at all times. My god, the ignorant plebs like me should know their station in life shouldn't they.


So if you've got something to say next time, why don't you try talking straight to whoever you're addressing. Beats a snivelly comment to someone else sneering with you on the side, someone who you know will hold your hand, cuddle up and comfort you with safety in numbers. The terrible nasty Viscount montgomery a bit too much for you to handle on your own huh? LOL

PS Cheer up the pair of you, life's way too short to be pissing your panties on internet forums

Not at all, its very relevant to note that you are still very conveniently hiding behind your forum name. Its also very relevant to note that after your last outburst there were quite a number of following posts that condemned your attitude. Very lucky for you that the industry you are in doesnt suffer too much foreign competition on the domestic market, maybe thats why the cost of that home grown product is so expensive?

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, Hyosung and Gilera are fantastic brands.

I love your sense of humour!

[SS90]

I think this is the way it will all go in the future. Tyre shops will take over bike tyres, bike gear will move to sports gear shops like Rebel sport, basically bike shops will disappear. Not next year, but maybe 10 years

You may well be right Ixion, and we may well see more and more car tyre shop diversifying, for the simple fact, that, has you have demonstrated, there is a market forming that want to be able to purchase some items on Sunday, and, since they are already able to justify opening 7 days, why not stock bike tyres.

Experience tells me that the majority of the motorcyclists will prefer to stay with "specialists" as far as motorcycles goes, but, yes, I thik it will happen more and more.

It's up to the wholesalers though, I have noticed a shift towards some dealers supplying "non motorcycle shops" with stock, but, my experience is that if the (exsisting) bike shops put pressure on the wholeslaers NOT to supply "non industry" shops, then it is less likely.

It's again about turnover, if the wholesalers don't see that supplying "non industry" shops as increasing sales (and infact, only spreading the same amount of business over more shops, involving more work for the reps, for the same money, then it won't happen.

I woould expect to see more shops carrying tyres, perhaps, but the market dictates business models, and while I see changes to the industry in the furture, this I don't see as a reality.

10 years ago I remember there was strong suggestions that WOF will only be doe in VINZ stations, and no longer in bike shops etc, from what I learned (I used to do WOF), there was too much problems with non specialist testers (i.e testing station employees are by in large ex car mechanics, and have little experience with bikes) failing bikes because they didn't understand the differences between cars and bikes.

One example that was brought to my attention was when a testing station inspector failed (and refused to take advise) a Harley Davisdon front wheel bearings......and any one will knnow that up until 2001, wheel bearings on Harley's where taped bearings, requiring 0.2mm play.

The tester did not know this, and insisted it needed new wheel bearings.

What faith does a customer have when the tester himself is as far away from being a "specialist" as can be!

[Swoop]

Well it appears that Sunday afternoons can be worthwhile.
Popped into Cycletreads and the tyre guys were flat out! All hoists in action and a queue of bikers standing around for their turn to get new rubber fitted.
Upstairs there were a few having coffee and another handful looking at stuff around the shop.
I purchased what I needed and booked in for tyres during the week. I hate queues.

Nice work guys!

[SS90]

Well it appears that Sunday afternoons can be worthwhile.
Popped into Cycletreads and the tyre guys were flat out! All hoists in action and a queue of bikers standing around for their turn to get new rubber fitted.
Upstairs there were a few having coffee and another handful looking at stuff around the shop.
I purchased what I needed and booked in for tyres during the week. I hate queues.

Nice work guys!

Clearly, the market (motorcycle tyres,) in NZ most densely populated city, (over 1 million), has enough business to open Sunday. Good for them.

What would happen if say, 2 more tyre shops specialising in motorcycle tyres where to open in Auckland?

[Swoop]

What would happen if say, 2 more tyre shops specialising in motorcycle tyres where to open in Auckland?

I would be able to get tyres fitted "then and there" without having to wait! (Let's hope that we get to that stage. More riders = more bikes = more bike related shops/services).

[Scorp]

Hmm, I reckon, on balance, that half day opening on Sunday is better than none at all. And bike shop workers deserve weekends too.

Mind you, I took my BHS test yesterday (Sunday) morning, and the first thing I did afterwards was check out the bike shops in Tauranga. All shut except for Moto GB, a Suzuki dealer. I went in and had a good look at their second hand 250s and a really good look at their row of brand new Intruders. While I did this, for about 10 minutes, a family was looking at trial bikes. There were about 3 or 4 staff in their offices doing nothing. None of them came anywhere near me or the family looking a trial bikes.

So I guess there's, 'being open' on Sunday, and then there's 'being open for business' on Sunday.