Position in seat?

[Gwinch]

Perhaps not for you.

Learning through your own experience with no outside influences is the best way to get bad techniques thoroughly engrained into your riding.

Don't think, feeeeeeel.

[Morcs]

Perhaps not for you.

Learning through your own experience with no outside influences is the best way to get bad techniques thoroughly engrained into your riding.

define 'BAD TECHNIQUES'

there is no clearcut good and bad, its a case of what works for the individual. it doesnt really matter when riding on the road at a legal pace. I could ride a long distance one handed, using no clutch, sat on my fuel tank - not the 'CORRECT' way, but its adequate for riding at a legal road pace. get my point?

stop looking at it like text and numbers on a page and open your mind a little.

[Sentox]

define 'BAD TECHNIQUES'

there is no clearcut good and bad, its a case of what works for the individual. it doesnt really matter when riding on the road at a legal pace. I could ride a long distance one handed, using no clutch, sat on my fuel tank - not the 'CORRECT' way, but its adequate for riding at a legal road pace. get my point?

stop looking at it like text and numbers on a page and open your mind a little.

Perhaps adequate is not what we're after. Just because "whatever works" is sufficient for the road is no reason not to improve technique if one so desires. And certainly there is good and bad. Rigid arms, weight on the bars is bad. Counter-leaning/riding crossed up is bad above crawling pace. Etc.

[p.dath]

stop looking at it like text and numbers on a page and open your mind a little.

Touche Morcs. May I suggest you need to open your mind? It seems apparent you are only prepared to accept one method of learning as valid.

I do agree with you that there is no clear cut "good and bad". But I pretty much disagree with you on everything else. You can ridely badly at a legal pace, but some person considering that "adequate" does not make it "good".

[Morcs]

Rigid arms, weight on the bars is bad. Counter-leaning/riding crossed up is bad above crawling pace. Etc.

Depends. for instance im sure im not the only one who could go round the outside of most people, leaning off the wrong side of the bike

Its about being in control. Meaning it doesnt matter what one is doing and how they are doing it, so long as they are in control.

[bogan]

Depends. for instance im sure im not the only one who could go round the outside of most people, leaning off the wrong side of the bike

Its about being in control. Meaning it doesnt matter what one is doing and how they are doing it, so long as they are in control.

you must have a shitload of ground clearance then

Its a lot easier to be in control with good technique too

[CookMySock]

Its a lot easier to be in control with good technique too

It's useful to be seated correctly if you have to respond in an emergency too.

Steve

[Katman]

It's useful to be seated correctly if you have to respond in an emergency too.

Steve

Your signature is the biggest (read, most desperate) attempt for acceptance I've ever seen.

[The Stranger:Me]

It's useful to be seated correctly if you have to respond in an emergency too.

Steve

Like say a cats eye darting out in front of you on a corner perhaps?

[Sentox]

Like say a cats eye darting out in front of you on a corner perhaps?

Happened to me last night. Mind you, the cat's eye was attached to a cat.

[R-Soul]

Maybe it is just a case of having more time in the saddle, but when I started out, I always did one corner at a particular speed (Onewa onramp going to work in the mornings), and felt really nervous in it, and the bike felt clumsy and unsettled.

But nowadays (without that much more time the saddle), I am going around the same corner 20/kmhr faster, perfectly relaxed, the bike feels settled, I have lots of time time to check for other traffic joinng from the side. And I actually feel like I could take the bke around the same corner about 60km/hr faster if I wanted to really push it. I dont believe that that is just because I have spent time in the saddle. I personally believe its because I have been reaading voraciously about good technique, and applying it from day to day where I can. Its not ingrained yet, but its getting there.

Now I could have not done this, and learned my own adequate style (like riding one handed with my pants around my ankles), but I probably would not be feeling as secure about my cornering , and would probably not be enjoying my ride as much (although it depends what my other hand was doing...).

Besides, if anyone does not want to find out more and try to learn and enforce good habits, they would not be on these forums anyway....

[FROSTY:Me]

To answer the OP's question there is a product you can stick to your tank sides I think its called stomp grip.
I had an interesting conversation yesterday on this very subject.The guy I was pitting with on basicly exactly the same bike as me has a non slippery seat and stomp grip on his tank. I prefer to be able to slide around all over the bike easilly. We we doing exactly the same lap times so whose right? I think that stuff is personall preferance and setup

[Morcs]

To answer the OP's question there is a product you can stick to your tank sides I think its called stomp grip.
I had an interesting conversation yesterday on this very subject.The guy I was pitting with on basicly exactly the same bike as me has a non slippery seat and stomp grip on his tank. I prefer to be able to slide around all over the bike easilly. We we doing exactly the same lap times so whose right? I think that stuff is personall preferance and setup

That stuff is gold. Every bike I had that got track use had the stuff. No-more bracing the arms hard out breaking hard into corners to prevent testicles getting mulched, and also helps when cranked right over, when there is only a tiny bit of arse left on the seat, the remaining leg doesnt slide about.

[Sentox]

Thought I'd post an update on this. Finally got some grip pads on the tank. Tried Stomp Grip initially, but they weren't too keen on sticking to the tank in the first place. I washed the thing four times, used 100% isopropyl alcohol afterwards, heated both the pads and the tank surface, but no joy. I've read much better things about the Techspec's adhesive, so I ordered a couple of general (uncut) sheets from Australia for about the same price as the Stomp Grips (so this is been a somewhat expensive venture all up... about $180). Used the same process, they went straight on with no fuss and have stuck fine. Unfortunately I was in too much of a hurry to bevel the edges, but I can live with it.

Luckily, then, that it has absolutely solved my seating dilemna. On the open road, things are much the same, since wind pressure is enough to hold my weight back. Cornering feels slightly more stable with the outside leg a little more fixed. Braking hard is the first significant difference: now gripping with my knees actually stops me sliding forward, which makes corner entry a lot more relaxed, and I can keep my arms close to weightless (do the chicken flap ).

Around town was always where the problem was most pronounced though; no wind to hold me back, and every little bump unseated me forward into the tank. Plus I'm rather long-legged, so I ended up with my knees jabbing into the corners of the fairing the whole time. Basically it was just constantly uncomfortable and my arms ended up holding my weight. The grips have completely fixed that problem, I'm happy to say. Riding around town is actually comfortable now, and the bike is a lot happier with my arms relaxed.

[Fatt Max]

My crotch is at least 500mm from the tank for two reasons;

1. My big fat gut is in the way, and
2. My bike is fucked enough as it is

As for the best riding position, I'll ask the missus and come back to you