ACC full of crap: caught with pants around the ankles!

[Katman]

Really? Then why are you pissy about paying more because fuckwits keep hurting themselves? Those fuckwits don't pay extra/get less, do they? And all us 'safe, responsible' riders get to subsidise them.

Do you really think that post makes any sense?

That's exactly why I am "pissy" about it.

[MSTRS:Me]

Do you really think that post makes any sense?

That's exactly why I am "pissy" about it.

Of course my post makes sense. All my posts do...
You said you have no problem with ACC acting like an insurance co, but you rant about riders not doing us any favours. IE - their crashing costs us all.
So which is it? You resent paying extra to subsidise the idiots, or you don't?
Or do you want the idiots-only to pay extra, like they would under proper insurance? Which ACC patently IS NOT.

[Katman]

Or do you want the idiots-only to pay extra, like they would under proper insurance?

Bingo!

[MSTRS:Me]

But that is never going to happen. Only the work account may be privatised.
Since the motor pool remains funded via regos, individual behaviour will never be rewarded or penalised. But the entire M/C class will be, and is being, penalised via the use of dodgy stats.

[oldrider]

Of course my post makes sense. All my posts do...
You said you have no problem with ACC acting like an insurance co, but you rant about riders not doing us any favours. IE - their crashing costs us all.
So which is it? You resent paying extra to subsidise the idiots, or you don't?
Or do you want the idiots-only to pay extra, like they would under proper insurance? Which ACC patently IS NOT.

Am I reading you wrong, I see ACC doing just that by forcing motorcyclists to pay extra because they believe "we" are the idiots!

Also, companies with (measured) better ACC and safety records pay less ACC premiums than those with lesser ACC and safety records now and have done so for many years!

[Katman]

But that is never going to happen.

No, because people like yourself are too pig-headed to see that maybe that would be a better solution to the problem rather than penalising everyone.

[Katman]

And furthermore, I have never believed that this whole ACC saga is about money (or the lack of it).

I'm more inclined to view it as an attempt by the government to discourage people from getting into motorcycling (and encouraging those who are not overly passionate about motorcycling to get out of it) thereby making their job of legislating motorcycles off the road that much easier.

[MSTRS:Me]

Am I reading you wrong, I see ACC doing just that by forcing motorcyclists to pay extra because they believe "we" are the idiots!

Also, companies with (measured) better ACC and safety records pay less ACC premiums than those with lesser ACC and safety records now and have done so for many years!

The motor account and the work account are two different things. Yes, they are both ACC, but the work account is (relatively) open to competition whereas the motor account is not. Nobody sees ACC changing that, so 'insurance' in the motor account is a non-starter.

No, because people like yourself are too pig-headed to see that maybe that would be a better solution to the problem rather than penalising everyone.

Not me. I'm open to anything. Except decisions based on bullshit.

[duckonin]

And furthermore, I have never believed that this whole ACC saga is about money (or the lack of it).

I'm more inclined to view it as an attempt by the government to discourage people from getting into motorcycling (and encouraging those who are not overly passionate about motorcycling to get out of it) thereby making their job of legislating motorcycles off the road that much easier.

+1 Exactly that is what it is all about..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Free coffee and a hand job - now that's the way to make a happy work environment!

Statistics are funny things - able to be twisted to suit the user.

ACC - piff it's been broken for a long time.

are you giving, or getting, said handjob.? that makes a difference.

[dipshit]

His report shows that 40% of motorcycle accidents are caused by other vehicles,

Which only proves BRONZ and other motorcycle spokesman were the ones talking shit when they constantly told the public and media that "most motorcycle accidents are caused by car drivers."

[dipshit]

because that 60% could be made up of 6 other reasons at 10% each, making the 40% the majority?

Nope, rider error makes up the biggest margin.

A rider that runs wide on a corner and crashes into a power pole and is classed as a single vehicle accident... or runs wide on a corner and crashes into an oncoming car (or other motorbikes) and is classed as a multivehicle accident... it's all largely academic.

[mashman]

Nope, rider error makes up the biggest margin.

A rider that runs wide on a corner and crashes into a power pole and is classed as a single vehicle accident... or runs wide on a corner and crashes into an oncoming car (or other motorbikes) and is classed as a multivehicle accident... it's all largely academic.

I don't dispute that may well be the case... and it would make perfect sense, to a certain degree... but as yet do we actually know? you seem pretty sure...

True. But you still need to analyse the cause in order to administer prevention?... unfortunately people lie and we may get the true cause : prevention ratio... which can only hurt. Has the Lamb spoken yet?

[scumdog]

So if 60% of motorcycle accidents are caused by the motorcyclist how can driver education be the larger issue?

Yup, kinda thought some sort of education could assist with that figure...

[dipshit]

True. But you still need to analyse the cause in order to administer prevention?... unfortunately people lie and we may get the true cause.

Ministry of Transport say 39% of bike accidents were caused by other road users.

This Professor says likewise - 40% of bike accidents were caused by other road users.

BRONZ and many other motorcycle spokesmen said most motorcycle accidents are caused by other road users.

So who were the ones talking crap..??? What exactly is the Prof telling us that we didn't know before..???