Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[flyingcrocodile46]

Making this whole thing a pure money grab, if they really cared about road safety... Theres plenty of slow drivers out there to harass.

Don't be silly. That would require a law change to increase fines for slow driving before it would be worthy of enforcement.

[Smifffy]

Maybe it's working - is the road toll still at 0? I haven't seen any news.

[Bikemad]

So this 4km/h thing is supposedly some kinda response to Easters road toll being worst in 17yrs, Yet easters road toll was mostly caused by SLOW People!!! & other drivers getting so fed up they take stupid risks with their passing.
National police headquarters' Inspector John McClelland said many of the deaths had been preventable, making the situation all the more frustrating.
"I think there are people making bad decisions, particularly with overtaking - not allowing enough room to get past vehicles and things like that," he told Radio New Zealand.

Making this whole thing a pure money grab, if they really cared about road safety... Theres plenty of slow drivers out there to harass.

if it was about safety surely the authorities here would adopt the Aussie Double demerit points long weekend system wouldnt they????????????????
i hear that works a treat

[Patrick]

I think we established yesterday that "safety" in this context is about being safe from being ticketed not from having a wreck. Do try and keep up.

I was answering a specific incorrect "claim..." Please try to keep up....

[Patrick]

Wow i think we are finaly getting somewhere, bravo!!!! Thats all that i wanted to hear from at least one cop...the TRUTH about speeding in this country!

Well... it is the truth. You choose to speed, so you choose to make the donation. Don't bitch about it. The speeder made the choice, and sometimes loses. No-one elses fault, really..... is it...???

[Patrick]

We are talking about two completely different "truths" here:

1) people dont give a fuck about other people but money! (i agree, and yes iam the prime example)
2) "Speed Kills" campaign isnt about safety but about money! (well this is not news but it seems some of you still dont get it)

Its all fucking only about money!

Noh.... it is about picking up the pieces too. Like the pieces of brain I had to pick up from the motorbike rider without a helmet who smeared himself all over one of our roads not too long ago. As well as not wearing a helmet, he was speeding. It did kill him! Honest!!!

[Patrick]

.... and the fines/Demerits are still the same for 120 or 130K over. So WTF???

Demerits for 20k over = 20 demerits. 30k over = 35 demerits. 35k and up to 50k over = 50 demerits.

[Patrick]

well if the rodney peeps can do a go slow protest holding up shitloads of queens birthday traffic (and not get issued tickets for going slow), then why cant we?

What? All three of them?

Hard to give tickets out when one is probably laughing their arse off......

[Smifffy]

What? All three of them?

Hard to give tickets out when one is probably laughing their arse off......

Then maybe you could try smiling more...

[Patrick]

Why would you think that, i'm not the one ranting on about speeding tickets. all i said was that the police do more than just write out tickets.
You are the one getting you panties in a twist saying thats all they do.
I don't know what your problem is, whether it's just your east euro temper but get over it already, move on to something else, everyone else has.
If you are going to continue just remember that it will be a cop who will clean up your body on the road and a cop who will tell your family that you are dead. So yip I guess it is easier to write out a ticket to hopefully prevent people from killing themselves then cleaning up.

He does know that. He got a ticket for not indicating alane change and has been bitter ever since. He himself told us so in another thread..... Go figure....

[Patrick]

Trust me, iam over it....and so if i ever said ALL cops, it was likely out of anger and nothing more....

I think you did say "all..." but I could be wrong......

[HenryDorsetCase]

Noh.... it is about picking up the pieces too. Like the pieces of brain I had to pick up from the motorbike rider without a helmet who smeared himself all over one of our roads not too long ago. As well as not wearing a helmet, he was speeding. It did kill him! Honest!!!

Ah, no, that would have been the sudden stop.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-pace-on-speed

so now we know.

[Patrick]

Not going to dispute the Policy or its application!!!

However one rule for all.

If its good enough for Bob or Bobette to get a speeding ticket then Police who exceed the limit should be given the same.... Nothing, including Urgent Duty Driving exempts Police, Fire or Ambos to that rule.

Yet how many Emergency vehicles do you see exceeding the limit daily?

My rant over..

No this is a fact not a 'piss take'

I never said anywhere in my post that any emergency service should or shouldn't do anything!! Please read or interpret more carefully.

What I said is the application of the Law, should be applied equally. In your case, if you are holding Constabulary powers and received two infringements in one morning I'd have some serious questions about your judgement, or luck.

There is absolutely no reason for any emergency service regardless of the incident need to exceed the limit. Lights and sirens are to move traffic, not grant Carte Blanche access to press the peddle down as far as it will go. It has been proven time and time again Emergency Vehicles speeding cause more death, carnage and injuries in both rural and urban areas.

This knee jerk reaction to "O, its a life threatening incident" is absolutely bull shit, an an excuse to allow speeding.

I have had two heart attacks each requiring an Ambulance for each. The days of Heart Attack survival rates of 10% have gone, not because Ambulances speed but the equipment on board is able to sustain life better negating the requirement to met the 'golden hour'. I am eternally grateful they were there however had they crashed on the way to me I would have been fucked. That is a fact.

Patrick, I challenge you to list specifically what constitutes a valid reason for any unit, ambulance or appliance to speed and I will counter your argument. If its 'people will die', well shit happens people die every day that's a fact! However please entertain me.

"Nothing, including urgent driving exempts Police etc etc..." Gosh... dunno how I got that wrong. Still don't. Seemed rather claer to me.

As for the two tickets? Yep, a moment of carelessness on my part. 7.30 in the morning, off to get the kids some lunch, trying to kill myself twice for doing 55 and 56 on the return trip. Caught on the camera van near a school - which my kids go to and none are allowed there before 8.20am.... so my judgement was lacking. My bad.... although set up outside the perameters for school zones at those times, I could have argued it and got off on a "technicality", but hey, the limit was 50 and I was above that, so I paid..... My judgement was laking again!!! Dang......

Valid reason one - raced to a job, rape in progress, Albert Park toilets in Auckland. On arrival, the girl was being stabbed. He was so intent on hurting her, he didn't hear the sirens and sound of the rapidly approaching patrol cars. She lived. She was thankful we got there as fast as we did... real story.

Refute that......

Most real Police I know don't actually get on with you pretend cops, traffic cops. Contributes to society? more like contributes to the government funds

LOL - You must know some real crusties long overdue for retirement. The merger happened 18 years ago. They need to get over it. I did.

....I guess it's because you attend accidents, see fatal accidents, on a regular occasion - and you're told often enough that it was caused by excessive speed

Not "told" anything. It is patently clear when speed is involved. It aint rocket science. When a car is remarkably intact, speed aint involved. When it is spread over 150 metres of highway, then yeah.... spped is involved.

rant ....

I bet none of you blue knobs have ever actually tried to think about the other contributing factors, and go on a crusade to improve our roads. Nah just follow the rest of your unbalanced blue mates and rant on about speed

You've obviously NEVER seen a serious crash report......... Nor that TV show about the Serious Crash Unit....?????

Two things would fix it
1) better roads and more dual carriage ways
2) if the police made it illegal to go any where (logical extension to current police policy)

1 - you got a spare multi hundreds of billions of dollars floating around somewhere for this? Little old NZ sure doesn't.....
2 - "The sky is falling..." Chicken Little - Circa 1900's.....

Cannot agree more! Also what fucks me off the most is that dear Mr.Comish. telling NZ public that our "more advanced" brethren in Autraya have 5km/h discretion on top of speed limit so our 10km/h was too good for us...what the cuntface forgot to mention is that victoria has 110km/h on most open roads!!! So where is our fucking media or someone high up to question this blatant lie!!

Lied???? Where??? He said the 10k tolerance was too good. Auzzie toilerance is 5. Doesn't matter if their limit is 40, 50, 60, 90, 110, it is still 5k tolerance, end of story. What lie?

Ironic. If it were the motorcyclist who had beaten the cop you would have a=said that the cop probably deserved it.

Great that they were convicted though, it proves that cops are held accountable, in spite of what you think and frequently spout.

This can't be true. There was supposed to be a coverup. There was supposed to be a consipacy with the courts to get them off. They were never going to be convicted with the corrupt systems that are in place.... oh.... hang on.... where did I hear these claims from?

Maybe it's working - is the road toll still at 0? I haven't seen any news.

That will show them. This 5k tolerance thing will never work..... Oh.... hang on..... What??????

if it was about safety surely the authorities here would adopt the Aussie Double demerit points long weekend system wouldnt they????????????????
i hear that works a treat

And goes down like a cold cup of sick..... because they can't complain about revenue collecting then......

Then maybe you could try smiling more...

Always smiling.... even on here.....

[Kickaha]

And goes down like a cold cup of sick..... because they can't complain about revenue collecting then......

Bet they'll still find something to whine about though

[flyingcrocodile46]

This can't be true. There was supposed to be a coverup. There was supposed to be a consipacy with the courts to get them off. They were never going to be convicted with the corrupt systems that are in place.... oh.... hang on.... where did I hear these claims from?

Your old boss Rint Clickhard perhaps? It worked ok for him.