Arguments for and against the 4 km/hr cap

[Spearfish]

Exactly 104 or 110 ,,,makes no difference to me

I think the perception of getting caught had more affect than what they said the target was. As it turned out many runs had no hassles at all.

A 105 fine wont stick LTNZ allow manufactures a 10% margin on speedometers, if its less than that a calibrated speedo would be part of the WoF requirement.

[Rhys]

it's not the person traveling at 106 it's the f wits traveling at 70 on highways

bring back public stonings

[JimO]

it's not the person traveling at 106 it's the f wits traveling at 70 on highways

bring back public stonings

i agree and they are totally oblivious to the line of traffic building behind them

[Tryhard]

I'm all for controlling speed...... in the right place! Around schools at the apropriate time, shopping centres, bus stops and stuff like that.
But 110 to 104 on the open road! cmon
110 or 115 could be all good for some places.

[Morepower]

it's not the person traveling at 106 it's the f wits traveling at 70 on highways

bring back public stonings

As someone who has driven for work reasons for the last 15 yrs the standard of driving during school holidays and weekends is very poor. There are a significant number of people that hold licences who do not have the skills required to drive in a manner that is both safe and considerate of other road users. When my Boys went for licences I taught them to drive and they both passed with ease. The tester praised both for being very good , told me that too pass though you don't need to be a good driver just safe ! WTF ?? I did not know that you can be a crap driver but still safe ???

[scumdog]

Cowpoos is correct - at the end of the day 4 kms OVER the limit is still over the limit so you are speeding. Period.

Correct.

Can you lat your WOF go 4% past its expiry and not risk a ticket?

Can you run your tyres 4% lower in trad depth than allowed and not risk a ticket?

Can you park it a 60 minute parking spot for 4% longer and not risk a ticket?

No.

OK, a lot of laws ARE pretty sucky but they are the law (ass-like or not), hence you brak them at your wallets peril.

[Scuba_Steve]

OK, a lot of laws ARE pretty sucky but they are the law (ass-like or not), hence you brak them at your wallets peril.

The real problem is ALOT of time is spent on "traffic scams" and for what? Money at best, it does absolutely NOTHING for the safety of New Zealanders & in fact has the opposite effect. And while all this time is spent on "traffic scams" its obviously time not being spent on real crimes, ones that would protect, help & keep New Zealanders safe.

[ukusa]

all of this is very confusing, but based on the Police's self praising successful long weekend with only 1 road death, I have managed to conclude the following;
1. no motorbike riders died when reducing the speed limit to 104 km/h for one long weekend, so logic tells me that this will always be the case.
2. the day after a long weekend is now considered more dangerous than other days of the week.
3. if we made a zero alcohol limit, we would have had no road deaths on the long weekend in question, so that must meen that all long weekends will be the same.
4. with no road deaths on long weekends, we will save the country millions because we won't have to pay holiday rates/days in lieu for cops. Many cops will also have to be laid off because of lack of work, further saving money.
5.reduced deaths of motorcyclists on long weekends will result in lowering of ACC levy on bike rego.

Now all we need to establish is how many deaths occur on a normal 2 day weekend with the 104k limit, and the road toll will easily be predictable.
I'm off to fit cruise control to my Bird, shame it's another 4 months till the next long weekend!

[shrub]

Correct.

Can you lat your WOF go 4% past its expiry and not risk a ticket?

Can you run your tyres 4% lower in trad depth than allowed and not risk a ticket?

Can you park it a 60 minute parking spot for 4% longer and not risk a ticket?

No.

OK, a lot of laws ARE pretty sucky but they are the law (ass-like or not), hence you brak them at your wallets peril.

Not quite. If you go over your parking time the little men and women down here chalk your tyres and then come back in 10 minutes of so and write you a ticket if you haven't moved on or topped up, and I got a ticket for no WOF in my cage the other day and I wrote in and was let off because I got a new WOF the next day. I wouldn't ride or drive with tyres that were under the legal limit, but I understand they give you a chance to go and get new tyres.

[scumdog]

Not quite. If you go over your parking time the little men and women down here chalk your tyres and then come back in 10 minutes of so and write you a ticket if you haven't moved on or topped up, and I got a ticket for no WOF in my cage the other day and I wrote in and was let off because I got a new WOF the next day. I wouldn't ride or drive with tyres that were under the legal limit, but I understand they give you a chance to go and get new tyres.

True - but I did say 'risk' a ticket.

You may or may not get one but you could.

[avgas]

I personally think the 4kph thing is bullshit.
And the dumb thing here is I don't speed.

Its quite simply a decreasing of a margin, to reap the rewards. 10kph is easy and simple. Its 1 tick on the speedo too much. People can see this with very little thought.
To penalize someone for something they cant see, bloody stupid. They may as well just ping everyone who goes over the speed limit. While they are at it, throw away their license if they had a beer in the last 5 hours, burn their prius because it lost traction at the lights, ticket all those who have failed a wof and then attempted to drive home.......

I mean who is going to tell the poor sod in their chevy they were 2.49mph over the speed limit???

I am going to say what I said in the other thread. But this time a bit more clearer. Queens bday weekend did not have the same drivers on the roads as usual. The roads were sodden. And the remaining drivers were safe.
NONE OF THIS IS ATTRIBUTED TO A 4KPH SPEED LIMIT DROP.

I mean seriously - to join the dots is like saying "Thanks for the white picket fence in front of our property - no one has burgled us since"

[Blackshear]

Correct.

Can you lat your WOF go 4% past its expiry and not risk a ticket?

Can you run your tyres 4% lower in trad depth than allowed and not risk a ticket?

Can you park it a 60 minute parking spot for 4% longer and not risk a ticket?

No.

OK, a lot of laws ARE pretty sucky but they are the law (ass-like or not), hence you brak them at your wallets peril.

I apologize if it isn't, but this looks awfully intentional.

[scumdog]

I apologize if it isn't, but this looks awfully intentional.

As intentional as bourbon will make it!

[Blackshear]

As intentional as bourbon will make it!

INNOCENT! NEXT CASE! Of bourbon.

[Ragingrob]

True - but I did say 'risk' a ticket.

You may or may not get one but you could.

Well right now I'm driving around not knowing at what speed a cop will pull me over. Either they should name an exact limit and enforce it OR name the law in terms of subjective reasoning case by case for going too fast in context. All this fluffing around leaves the public in the dark when the cops are meant to be there on behalf of us.

Doesn't help that speedos read high, why the fuck do they? Going past those speed laser things at "100" on my speedo reads around 94kph, so the general public now think they must drive at "100" in the overtaking lane on the motorway... I'm sick of having to weave in and out of traffic on the motorway JUST to travel AT the speed limit.