Chinese not like greens..

[tri boy]

http://chinesefood.about.com/library/blvegetables.htm
Chinese DO like their Greens. I'm quite partial to bok choi myself.

[marty]

With the hindsight of video and stills it is easy to make decisions. An unknown person coming towards a diplomat in a somewhat aggressive or intentional manner is going to get his arse kicked forthwith. No question.

Pre-emptive strike is a legitimate defence.

[Elysium]

http://chinesefood.about.com/library/blvegetables.htm
Chinese DO like their Greens. I'm quite partial to bok choi myself.

Hence me thread title Those Chinese clearly don't like their greens at all.

[Oakie]

Our government needs to stand up and say this behaviour is unacceptable here and if China cant follow the rules they don't get to use their own protection details.

1) Don't want to get into this too much but I am a little embarassed that a NZ MP would chose this method of protest. I expect a bit of decorum and dignity from our representatives when dealing with the representatives of another nation regardless of the issues involved.

2) I think the Chinese minders acted with a great deal of restraint compared to what would have happened if someone had tried this stunt in China.

3) As far as manhandling an MP in parliament grounds, was it said if Mr Norman acting as a private citizen or as an MP?

4) Would this have been such an issue if it was American minders with Mr Obama or Aussie minders with Mr ummm errr ...Prime Minister. Just wondering if this is just an anti-Chinese beat up?

[JimO]

1) Don't want to get into this too much but I am a little embarassed that a NZ MP would chose this method of protest. I expect a bit of decorum and dignity from our representatives when dealing with the representatives of another nation regardless of the issues involved.

2) I think the Chinese minders acted with a great deal of restraint compared to what would have happened if someone had tried this stunt in China.

3) As far as manhandling an MP in parliament grounds, was it said if Mr Norman acting as a private citizen or as an MP?

4) Would this have been such an issue if it was American minders with Mr Obama or Aussie minders with Mr ummm errr ...Prime Minister. Just wondering if this is just an anti-Chinese beat up?

Norman is a major cock

[Ixion]

Doesn't really matter if it's an MP or just Joe Bloggs. The delegation was here at the invitation of the government, not Parliament (they're not the same thing), so Norman was within his rights.

He was acting lawfully. I'm certainly no greenie, and I've never bothered to find out what all the fuss about Tibet is over (yak butter?); and Norman is undoubtedly a wally.

But he's our wally, and if anyone is going to give MPs the bash, it should be Kiwis (line forms on the left - yes it is very long, isn't it); not some Chinaman.

Sort of redefining laws and freedoms we've had for a good many centuries (and they don't have in China). In NZ you have a right to peacefully protest, unless there's Chinese around. ?

I wonder how we'd collectively feel if Mr Smith had invoked the same logic to order his minders to tear down the BIKEOI! banners and beat up on the bikers protesting ?

[spacemonkey]

I wonder how we'd collectively feel if Mr Smith had invoked the same logic to order his minders to tear down the BIKEOI! banners and beat up on the bikers protesting ?

Well as I've said elsewhere....

Key seems to be fairly indifferent to the shameful scene.
So if manhandling an Mp on parliaments grounds if you disagree with his or her message is acceptable to him, he won’t mind if the same is given to Smith at the next ACC protest then will he?? )

I’m picking he’d be Mr outrage at that which = hypocrite to me (although I’m picking smith to be too chickenshit to step outside again anyway).

[oldrider]

Anyone else notice how the TV have toned down the audio level of the loud pathetic "squealing" of "give me back my flag" on all their subsequent playbacks?

I actually agree with his rights but disagree with his behaviour! (that's just my opinion)

If he wants to make a dick of himself, fair enough but purposely toning down his highly audible squeals so that he doesn't sound so bad is a bit over the top IMHO!

[marty]

I have issue with him gaining access as a pollie, then protesting like a non-pollie. What is the Green's policy on Tibet?

[JMemonic]

1) Don't want to get into this too much but I am a little embarassed that a NZ MP would chose this method of protest. I expect a bit of decorum and dignity from our representatives when dealing with the representatives of another nation regardless of the issues involved.

Granted he is a MP and decorum would be appropriate, I never saw him doing anything other than protest by holding up a flag of a nation that has been annexed by the Chinese, I would say where he lost it was his squealing.

2) I think the Chinese minders acted with a great deal of restraint compared to what would have happened if someone had tried this stunt in China.

That is my point, in comparison to how they would act in China is not a standard we should be holding them to, the standard should be how they are required to act in our country, as we are expected to in theirs.

3) As far as manhandling an MP in parliament grounds, was it said if Mr Norman acting as a private citizen or as an MP?

He is an MP but even as such his protest is none the less no different to the rights granted to all kiwis, it should not matter.

4) Would this have been such an issue if it was American minders with Mr Obama or Aussie minders with Mr ummm errr ...Prime Minister. Just wondering if this is just an anti-Chinese beat up?

Ruddy is the current Aussie, and from my perspective no it would not matter if it was any other foreign representatives security detail, I believe we have a set of standards here that all must follow, and if it was the Americans or Aussies we would not be so accepting of the behaviour.

[cowpoos]

The irony with all this is...Russel Norman and his ilk are/and do push socialist ideals...some that run parallels with communist regimes.

Also his message on the radio interview he did within the hour on Radio live...was pushing the barrow of free democracy. in a democracy the majority rules.
not the minority...like the greens and their rather foolish and misguided approach to most things. Some how believing they have support of more than a couple of people??

[Forest]

What a stupid thing to protest over.

The Chinese have done a huge amount of good work in Tibet.

People like to pretend that Tibet was some kind of mythical paradise, but it really wasn't. A tiny number of land-owners (feudal lords and monasteries) had complete control over an enslaved population of peasants that they controlled through brutality and punishing taxation.

[shrub]

What a stupid thing to protest over.

The Chinese have done a huge amount of good work in Tibet.

People like to pretend that Tibet was some kind of mythical paradise, but it really wasn't. A tiny number of land-owners (feudal lords and monasteries) had complete control over an enslaved population of peasants that they controlled through brutality and punishing taxation.

Actually quite a valid thing to protest over, and yes, Tibet was pretty heinous, but does that mean China should rule them? If having had a previously bad government meant it was OK for China to invade, then China had better get busy there are a lot of countries that need invading.

Go Russel Norman! He had the guts to stand up for what he believes in and challenge the Chinese whereas Homeowner Bill and Perky Rod just want to bend over and assume the position because China has money. "If you buy our shit you can do what you like to us". Maybe China have offered to pay Bill's mortgage and shout Roddy and his girlfriend an overseas trip? Saves you and I from having to do it.

[motor_mayhem]

Actually quite a valid thing to protest over, and yes, Tibet was pretty heinous, but does that mean China should rule them? If having had a previously bad government meant it was OK for China to invade, then China had better get busy there are a lot of countries that need invading.

Go Russel Norman! He had the guts to stand up for what he believes in and challenge the Chinese whereas Homeowner Bill and Perky Rod just want to bend over and assume the position because China has money. "If you buy our shit you can do what you like to us". Maybe China have offered to pay Bill's mortgage and shout Roddy and his girlfriend an overseas trip? Saves you and I from having to do it.

Well no that is utter crap. All of the other politicians understand that we elected them to look after the needs of New Zealand First and Foremost. Free trade with China will advance our economy. When we have some good will with China then we might be able to address the tibet issue but we would need to earn some first.

[BoristheBiter]

What a stupid thing to protest over.

The Chinese have done a huge amount of good work in Tibet.

People like to pretend that Tibet was some kind of mythical paradise, but it really wasn't. A tiny number of land-owners (feudal lords and monasteries) had complete control over an enslaved population of peasants that they controlled through brutality and punishing taxation.

You mean like England and oh i don't know.......... the world.