We're watching you, Mr Smith. Protest 27th June 2010

[Ocean1]

Hard to argue with ACC

Ixion could try harder.

Fer sooksake, I didn't ask to join their bloody scheme so they don't get to dictate how I ride on my roads.

[Ixion]

I need to highlight that 27th is not a protest ride as such (if people want a blat afterwards that's another matter) . It is a protest.

Nor, as I have said several times, is it a KB gig. It's a BRONZ gig, there are a lot of riders out there who have no connection with KB. BRONZ needs to know their sentiments. F'instance they know that Ulysses is opposed to any further action. But, Ulysses also vehemently opposed BIKEOI!, but lots of Ulyssians turned up. So the exec may be out of sync with the membership.

And the wild geese are a big unknown.

BRONZ wants to know how widespread the sentiment is for a more aggressive campaign for 2010. And, more importantly how many of those who want more aggression are actually prepared to be agressive themselves.

Those things as relates to KB they can (sort of) find out here. As relates to non-KB riders, another matter. So , the point and message isn't necesary directed toward the KB echlon, and there may be significant differences in takeup.

During the 2009 campaign a lot of people demanded disruption, aggression, confrontation. But when the homonymic gentleman organised a (well sorted) campaign on that basis , he found that all the folk who had loudly been demanding action mumbled and shuffled off. I think he ended up with three bikes at Whangamata . So words don't always translate into actions.

[Bodir]

Was that so hard to post right away? Would have given some people more time to organise the non KB. But I for one did nothing up to now. Now I know what your aim is and can act accordingly

[Little Miss Trouble]

I hope you get a decent turn out. I won't be in on this one, I'm not scheduled to be back in Auckland again until the following weekend

[RiderInBlack]

Was that so hard to post right away? Would have given some people more time to organise the non KB. But I for one did nothing up to now. Now I know what your aim is and can act accordingly

Exactly, I would have been texting and chatting to my non-KB rider mates back months ago if BRONZ was after a true show of feelings. Bit late now. I bet there are a lot of interested riders that don't even know this is going down. Even riders like myself who do know are still tossing up if this Sunday "Show Of Hands" is worth going to or that we will end-up looking stupid. BRONZ needs to show stronger leadership if they want more NZ Riders to have confidence in BRONZ's ability to lobby for Biker Rights in NZ.

[NONONO]

Sorry to break up this 'I can piss higher than you can'" competition but..
WTF are we actually meeting for on Sunday?
To stroke a few egos? Or to try and get BRONZ a share of the so called training budget?
Can't say I'm adverse to either but FFS will someone let the fucking plebs know so we can make an informed choice about turning up.
Y'know, the guys who did the Bikoi, turned up at all the protests, wrote their submissions, talked to their workmates about how it was all the thin end....blah blah blah.
Thought it was all about ACC and the National rip off, but could be wrong, apparently.
Fkin sick of this shit. Lets get together, do it, do it right or admit failure and buy a car.

[mashman]

It all seems pretty straight forward to me. Go find out for yourself, or don't. What's the worst that can happen. You'll get wet?

What's the best that can happen

[Waxxa]

Sorry to break up this 'I can piss higher than you can'" competition but..
WTF are we actually meeting for on Sunday?
To stroke a few egos? Or to try and get BRONZ a share of the so called training budget?
Can't say I'm adverse to either but FFS will someone let the fucking plebs know so we can make an informed choice about turning up.
Y'know, the guys who did the Bikoi, turned up at all the protests, wrote their submissions, talked to their workmates about how it was all the thin end....blah blah blah.
Thought it was all about ACC and the National rip off, but could be wrong, apparently.
Fkin sick of this shit. Lets get together, do it, do it right or admit failure and buy a car.

+1. state the action of protest BRONZ or this will be a failure. The fact that there has been few protests since the Bikeoi last November and effective protests that have educated the public about the Woodhouse Principles of ACC means that the increased levies are here to stay and the changes to ACC are going ahead.

[Reckless]

I have a few thoughts!

Firstly looking the AGM pdf posted up from bronze there are only 242 paid up members in Bronze.
Given the above I hope all posters here putting their 10c in are paid members!

Secondly 242 members FFS that's a pittance!
There must be a shit load of people out there expecting to be represented and are NOT fronting up with their $20 sub!
Thirdly There are criticisms and calls for Bronze to work harder? I'm not close to Bronze management and have never attended any of their meetings. But from the outside I have never heard Les gets a wage for this and with a support base of only 242 members to ask to work harder and smarter is a bit of a joke imho! If another 5000 joined, fair enough, get stuck in to Bronze, but essentially if Bronze only represents 242 bikers they are pissing into the wind. And everyone who hasn't fronted up is making this whole thing a bit of a freckin joke! Nick smith must know this and is laughing all the way down the road! Its all wind and bullshit if Bronze has such a small membership as far as the ACC and Nick Smith is concerned. There simply is not enough voting base there to change a thing. The problem is not with Bronze its with their lack of support/members.

IMHO: First you join (its only $20 freckin bucks), then you get involved (if you want to), then you can criticise. If you are a member go through Bronze not here. If you can't be arsed doing any of the aforementioned things the least you can do is turn up with your Bronze subs on the day and see what happens.

Just my 2c

[Katman]

The problem is not with Bronze its with their lack of support/members.

I agree that 242 members is pathetically small.

But maybe the lack of support/members is due to a problem within BRONZ.

[Bald Eagle]

I agree that 242 members is pathetically small.

But maybe the lack of support/members is due to a problem within BRONZ.

Why not join and find out ?

[Ixion]

BRONZ represents motorcyclists the way greenpeace represents whales. Motorcycling not motorcyclists.

242 is a good increase from 40 a year ago!.

BTW, it costs about $500 - $1000 a year to be on the BRONZ committee - stuff that you pay for , travel costs etc.

Anyone is welcome to start an alternative, y'know.

[Katman]

Why not join and find out ?

Don't worry - I'm one of those 242.

[Reckless]

BRONZ represents motorcyclists the way greenpeace represents whales. Motorcycling not motorcyclists.

Good perspective!
Makes me feel a bit guilty for my lack of effort considering we'd prob all say we are passionate about Motorcycling!

And thanks from the quieter portion of the 242 for you and your teams efforts!

[RiderInBlack]

Firstly looking the AGM pdf posted up from bronze there are only 242 paid up members in Bronze.
Given the above I hope all posters here putting their 10c in are paid members!

Well I am, which is why I was hoping for more clarity from BRONZ for Sunday than what was given. But WTF, have made other plans for Sunday now anyway.