The ACC saga - a new approach.

[Katman]

It's only available to people that didn't skip most of their 3rd form arithemetic classes.

I could tell you that I got 94% for U.E. maths but you probably wouldn't believe me.

[miloking]

A lot of people are trying to find ways to make a positive impact on the current situation motorcyclists are facing themselves in. People having to now put rego on hold (which they normally wouldn't do), people even deciding to sell their bikes because they can't afford to keep them legally on the road anymore. Note the word [I]legall[/I]y.
Rather than getting uptight because you feel you're being preached at, either come up with something positive and workable, or stop reading threads which upset your sensitive nature.

Oh, and for the record, a lot of riders are "starting with the man (or woman) in the mirror". If you had been around long enough you might have noticed that.

Yeah i did come up with something positive and workable...like million people did before me: NZTA needs stop giving out motorcycle liences with every box of cereal (cage lincences too for that matter) but goverment doesnt care they just want to collect our money from fees and go about their spending habits...

just look at driving standarts in Europe and how hard and expensive is to get licence...vs. driving standarts in NZ and how cheap and easy is to get licence here!

Example: i have colleague who wants to get bike (talking about ninjas and aprillias already)....doesnt have a car licence or anything yet so has done his "basic skills" test and now just needs to answer 35 stupid scratchie test questions and he can go and buy what ever bike he wants (250cc) as long as he displays his stupid L plate! How is that any safe?

So again all the guys preaching how to improve skills of bikers that have possibly been riding for years...how is that going to help motorcycling image when most accidents are young guys on learners or restricted (as per ACC stats 250cc are most accident prone group...fees dont reflect that but thats another story)

[MSTRS:Me]

Hey, even I enjoy riding my bike at speeds that sometimes exceed the limits. The fact that my license is currently dangling by a thread is testament to that fact. (Having said that, the highest ticketed speed has been for 125kph).

You want a medal? Or lessons in safe, sensible riding?

[Katman]

Yeah i did come up with something positive and workable...like million people did before me: NZTA needs stop giving out motorcycle liences with every box of cereal (cage lincences too for that matter) but goverment doesnt care they just want to collect our money from fees and go about their spending habits...

just look at driving standarts in Europe and how hard and expensive is to get licence...vs. driving standarts in NZ and how cheap and easy is to get licence here!

Example: i have colleague who wants to get bike (talking about ninjas and aprillias already)....doesnt have a car licence or anything yet so has done his "basic skills" test and now just needs to answer 35 stupid scratchie test questions and he can go and buy what ever bike he wants (250cc) as long as he displays his stupid L plate! How is that any safe?

So again all the guys preaching how to improve skills of bikers that have possibly been riding for years...how is that going to help motorcycling image when most accidents are young guys on learners or restricted (as per ACC stats 250cc are most accident prone group...fees dont reflect that but thats another story)

If you learned to comprehend English you'd see that improving rider training standards is something that has been mentioned numerous times already in this thread.

Thanks for adding your vote to it.

[miloking]

You want a medal? Or lessons in safe, sensible riding?

Dont worry Mr."Know it all" Katman has double standarts ...all you hear from him is "bikers who dont obey law are wankers" vs "i like to speed sometimes too"..

BTW thanks for all the nice rep Katman...truth hurts sometimes doesnt it and no amount of calling me wanker or retard is going to change that!

[mashman]

just look at driving standarts in Europe and how hard and expensive is to get licence...vs. driving standarts in NZ and how cheap and easy is to get licence here!

they get it wrong there too ya know... Took me 5 days over 4 weeks to go from 0 to any bike i wanted in the UK... I just had to be over 25 and be able to pay for it... A DAS course no less... VERY WRONGLY in my eyes... lucky i'm such a careful person really

[Katman]

Dont worry Mr."Know it all" Katman has double standarts ...all you hear from him is "bikers who dont obey law are wankers"

Care to point out where I've ever said that?

I'd love to see it.

As for the rep - you're welcome.

[miloking]

If you learned to comprehend English you'd see that improving rider training standards is something that has been mentioned numerous times already in this thread.

Thanks for adding your vote to it.

OK so why is it not happening??????


ACC says lots of young people have accidents, lots of cost, fees need to go up bla bla.... and on the other hand all they changed is stupid legal age for licence to 16, that doesnt sound like they are realy behind the "safety message" very much so why should we?

[miloking]

Care to point out where I've ever said that?

I'd love to see it.

All the fucking time...especially to me, that my bad attitude is going to ruin motorcycling for all of us bla bla...

Yes i like to speed, yes i like to break stupid traffic laws... and so do you as it seems so we are even but i dont go out and try to teach people how to be "safe out there"

[scracha]

they get it wrong there too ya know... Took me 5 days over 4 weeks to go from 0 to any bike i wanted in the UK... I just had to be over 25 and be able to pay for it... A DAS course no less... VERY WRONGLY in my eyes... lucky i'm such a careful person really

Yep, I think Direct Access to big bikes is bonkers too, but at least you'd have had a fuckload of training before getting out on a big bike. You've been given more formal training than probably 99% of motorcyclists over here, many who've been riding for years.

So again all the guys preaching how to improve skills of bikers that have possibly been riding for years...how is that going to help motorcycling image when most accidents are young guys on learners or restricted (as per ACC stats 250cc are most accident prone group...fees dont reflect that but thats another story)

Yep, totally agree that new riders need much better training. As for "preaching", not sure what you're on about? We're merely discussing ways of reducing the ACC component of our rego costs. If that means "experienced" bikers (like you and I) as well as new riders have to attend a subsidised training/refresher courses every couple of years in order to get our rego costs halved then I'm up for it. Experienced bikers may or may not get something out of it (I would imagine they would) but hopefully if it gets our house in order with regards to crashing and improves the public's current "stupid biker" perception then it can't be a bad thing? It would also give us a leg to stand on when we start demanding that car drivers get better training and more restrictions when they start driving.

[Paul Searancke]

Open your eyes John - up till now they haven't seen any indication that we might be prepared to work with them.

Your sole focus on the idea of perpetuating the victim mentality will get us nowhere.

Motorcycling New Zealand Inc (MNZ) made a submission to ACC here is a synopsis; http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx...rticleID=31584
We have a positive ongoing working relationship with ACC and other government agencies. Solution based advocacy has and is being provided at the highest levels for the betterment of all motorcyclists.

Paul Searancke
Recreation/Leisure Commissioner
Motorcycling New Zealand Inc

[That looks like fun]

I have my driving assessed every month's as part of my work requirements. It is possible to take it 2 ways, "the bastards" are just covering their asses, or "this is a chance for me to measure myself against a standard".
One method can be looked at as preaching, the other as learning. Only real difference is how I perceive things

[PrincessBandit]

...............One method can be looked at as preaching, the other as learning. Only real difference is how I perceive things

Good call on perception. Attitude makes a big difference in response.

[Katman]

Motorcycling New Zealand Inc (MNZ) made a submission to ACC here is a synopsis; http://www.mnz.co.nz/newsDetail.aspx...rticleID=31584
We have a positive ongoing working relationship with ACC and other government agencies. Solution based advocacy has and is being provided at the highest levels for the betterment of all motorcyclists.

Paul Searancke
Recreation/Leisure Commissioner
Motorcycling New Zealand Inc

Thanks for entering the debate Paul.

Where does MNZ stand regarding the attitude of motorcyclists who treat the road as a racetrack?

[Paul Searancke]

A simple answer is that MNZ and ACC are currently working together on signage for the exits of venues used for racing that will remind everyone that "The racings over,Ride Safe,Ride Forever" These will also be used at Road Race venues.