The ACC saga - a new approach.

**caseye** · 18th July 2010, 18:29

Originally Posted by Bikemad

sorry Mark but i guess i am one of those who think its unachievable..........in a perfect world maybe but as long as there are young inexperienced riders on high powered machines........hell even some experienced guys i know ......ahem.....get swept up in the moment sometimes...........there are gonna be riders gettin killed or maimed............ya cant legislate against stupidity.......end of story
personally i think the ACC content of the rego fee should be based on ya individual riding history........case by case.......much like other insurance contracts........coz thats all it is after all............i also believe if you have comprehensive medical cover then you should be ACC exempt.........my two cents worth

Dont be sorry mate, you have a valid point.Young , Stupid/Dumb and full of cum types are out there in every society or group. We all twist it on a bit from time to time, most of us do so on a straight stretch of road or a well known bit of twisty at the most opportune times.Even in breaking the standard rules we try to maintain our own standards of safety,ie: no one coming, clear road ahead etc etc.
I truely like the idea of a case by case ACC content for each individual but unless someone from within the biking comunity puts it forward it'll never fly.The Pollies would say it's too hard to impliment.
We'd say: well actually, x number of courses attended, years in saddle, we asses this risk as x, y, Z, percentage and so it can/could be done.We become part of the solution.
We could also say, hey mr gubbermint, each person who owns 10 motorcycles and has a comprehensive insurance policy that applies to each and every one of the bikes he own and or rides should only pay the ACC content ONCE! WoW what an idea!
These are things that are possible, if we could all agree on what was a good idea or not and then put it forward to Govt via an accpeted, creditable group of interested involved motorists, not just bikers I might add.
Anyway I know I dont have to tell you to keep at it mate, without debate nothing ever gets started.

**Bikemad** · 18th July 2010, 19:54

yeah i think a case by case thing is what we should be lobbying for...........in this computer age it would be easy enough for them to impliment,they get the stats regarding kms ridden in any 6 month period with ya wof check so regular riders would be easy to identify and give a rebate or discount to based on injury accidents VS kms ridden or something to that effect.
maybe bike shops should have to vet their customers better in terms of experience/attitude etc and perhaps price the bikes accordingly or have the customer put up some sort of good behaviour bond before giving some twat the means to kill himself or someone else for that matter........
why arent dirt bikes payin something too???????????
i reckon theres a host of ideas that need to be looked at mate.........look forward to the next bftp thingy and chewin the fat with ya

**Mom** · 18th July 2010, 20:29

Originally Posted by Bikemad

why arent dirt bikes payin something too???????????

They are actually. They pay by petrol levy and by a component of their PAYE. Just the same as us road regisitered bikers pay. Just we pay more via our rego. Heaven help us if we have a couple of diesel vehicles in the gargre as well.

Many things to think about. As citizens of good old NZ us bikers stack up to be getting a really raw deal no matter how responsible we might be.

**fossil** · 18th July 2010, 21:49

"We could also say, hey mr gubbermint, each person who owns 10 motorcycles and has a comprehensive insurance policy that applies to each and every one of the bikes he own and or rides should only pay the ACC content ONCE! WoW what an idea!"

And he is the only one who rides them, because if anybody else did they wouldn't be covered?
That is why it is the motorcycle/car/whatever that is levied not the rider. Otherwise everybody would need to carry proof of cover to drive/ride. Of course then there would be an excellent reason to pull over every motorcyclist at every opportunity to check their cover.

**Bikemad** · 18th July 2010, 21:56

agreed..... but they can pull you over anytime as the law stands now to check ya license but they dont actually do it.........so whats the difference

**miloking** · 18th July 2010, 23:47

Originally Posted by Katman

Maybe that's an issue that needs addressing.

People(adult of course) should be free to ride whatever they want...and who are you or goverment or some NZTA pencil pusher to tell us what is or isnt appropriate mode of transport for me.
Isnt that fucking 250cc limit for learners and restricted stupid enough? Just refer to the stats presented by ACC and their claim that highest percantage of claims come from 250cc riders (how on earth did they manage to raise the rego fees the way they did is beyond me)....so how is restricting high capacity bikes going to help anything?

**MSTRS:Me** · 19th July 2010, 08:52

Originally Posted by miloking

Isnt that fucking 250cc limit for learners and restricted stupid enough? Just refer to the stats presented by ACC and their claim that highest percantage of claims come from 250cc riders ...

Well, duh! Of course that category has the highest % of claims. That's what happens when people are learning...they make mistakes/errors of judgment. I can only imagine the carnage that would exist if there was no cc restriction.
Do you really think it would be responsible to allow 17yo Little Johnny to get on a ZX14? Yes - there will be exceptions (my boy on a Busa at 15) that would be fine, but they would be quite rare. Girls would probably be fine (it's a brain-development thing, apparently) but would be more sensible in their choice of weapon if there was no cc restriction. As for the over 25s...the exceptions would be a much higher %, but overall, still not enough to relax the rules more than just time stages.
IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN TO HANDLE BIKES and the cemeteries are full of those that didn't.

**Bikemad** · 19th July 2010, 10:19

Originally Posted by MSTRS

IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN TO HANDLE BIKES and the cemeteries are full of those that didn't.

thats the bottom line right there............perhaps eligibility for a M/C license should only be considered after holding a full car license for a couple of years or something giving people time to develop roadcraft..........

**MSTRS:Me** · 19th July 2010, 10:37

Originally Posted by Bikemad

thats the bottom line right there............perhaps eligibility for a M/C license should only be considered after holding a full car license for a couple of years or something giving people time to develop roadcraft..........

Agreed EXCEPT it should be the other way round.
Usually, only the rider is hurt when s/he gets it wrong. Better that than a numpty in charge of 2 tonnes of battering ram...

**That looks like fun** · 19th July 2010, 16:37

Big chance here to push for a positive step forward.

Car driving age just being raised, I am all for allowing bike licence for 2 years (under 250) before car licence.

Imagine how much more aware motorist would be of bikes if they themselves had ridden one for 2 years.

**Katman** · 19th July 2010, 17:03

Originally Posted by That looks like fun

Car driving age just being raised, I am all for allowing bike licence for 2 years (under 250) before car licence.

Interesting idea, although I think the cc limit should be such that it rules out the likes of the ZXR, CBR, RGV etc.

**MSTRS:Me** · 19th July 2010, 17:10

Originally Posted by Katman

Interesting idea, although I think the cc limit should be such that it rules out the likes of the ZXR, CBR, RGV etc.

Better to go with the HP restriction, as per Oz.

**Katman** · 19th July 2010, 17:18

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Better to go with the HP restriction, as per Oz.

That would work too - but I'm thinking along the lines of considerably less HP than the Aussies allow. 15-16 year olds could be restricted to something that is nothing more than a to and from school run-about.

**MSTRS:Me** · 19th July 2010, 17:27

Not scroters...please. Those things are death traps.
Better to go with the Brit model (up to 125 for 15 yo) for learner stage, hp restriction for next stage, then open for full licence at 18+