North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

**zealchick** · 23rd July 2010, 12:45

[QUOTE=p.dath;1129817937]That sounds interesting to me. Have you got a URL for it? What does it cost?

http://www.rcsom.co.nz/

**BoristheBiter** · 23rd July 2010, 12:59

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Originally Posted by p.dath

That sounds interesting to me. Have you got a URL for it? What does it cost?

http://www.rcsom.co.nz/

When I had sat my restricted (feb 2009) i looked at doing defensive riding courses and found that they were not recongnized so did not take off any time and the ones that did are based on driving a car so I just waited the six months.

**zealchick** · 23rd July 2010, 13:14

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Originally Posted by zealchick

When I had sat my restricted (feb 2009) i looked at doing defensive riding courses and found that they were not recongnized so did not take off any time and the ones that did are based on driving a car so I just waited the six months.

This one sounds like it is based on motorbikes, and is recognized, how ever i'm not too fussed about reducing my time, as i won't be upgrading my bike until the new year anyway just looking at options to improve skills.

**p.dath** · 23rd July 2010, 13:58

[QUOTE=zealchick;1129818015]

Originally Posted by p.dath

That sounds interesting to me. Have you got a URL for it? What does it cost?

http://www.rcsom.co.nz/

I can't see anything about defensive riding courses on their site. Do you ask them about it?

Where did they get this from?

REMEMBER, THAT GOOD QUALITY TRAINING STAYS WITH YOU FOR LIFE

One of the biggest accident groups is returning riders. If you stop riding your motorcycle for a long period of training you loose your skills. As they say, use it or loose it.

**R-Soul** · 23rd July 2010, 15:30

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Originally Posted by zealchick

One of the biggest accident groups is returning riders. If you stop riding your motorcycle for a long period of training you loose your skills. As they say, use it or loose it.

OK so: REMEMBER, THAT GOOD QUALITY TRAINING STAYS WITH YOU FOR LIFE, UNTIL JUST BEFORE YOU RETURN TO BIKES...

**BoristheBiter** · 23rd July 2010, 15:36

[QUOTE=zealchick;1129818029]

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

This one sounds like it is based on motorbikes, and is recognized, how ever i'm not too fussed about reducing my time, as i won't be upgrading my bike until the new year anyway just looking at options to improve skills.

I would just keep doing what you are doing and save your money for that pink GSXR.

**zealchick** · 23rd July 2010, 16:58

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Originally Posted by zealchick

I would just keep doing what you are doing and save your money for that pink GSXR.

haha good plan then i will take it down and do CSS

**zealchick** · 23rd July 2010, 17:01

[QUOTE=p.dath;1129818061][QUOTE=zealchick;1129818015]

I can't see anything about defensive riding courses on their site. Do you ask them about it?

Yeah Gail emailed details to me and i emailed the women direct and got details....its the 8 hours theory puts me off, i know its important but more than practical??

**cheesemethod** · 24th July 2010, 01:10

I completed a defensive riding course to get 6 months off my restricted licence term. For me, I don't think the theory section taught me anything that would contribute to me being a safer rider. If you are a person who has any degree of common sense when it comes to issues such as peer pressure, riding while drunk or fatigued etc, you will probably not learn anything new from the theory part of the course. The practical session was very much just practice session for the full licence test, you might pick up a few tips on how the test is run, which can help; however, if you do have any concerns about the full licence test you'll probably get just as much help by asking around at NASS.

I would highly recommend attending trackdays. Being able to ride your bike a lot closer to its maximum performance will greatly increase confidence when it comes to riding it at normal road speeds. When you start pulling the brakes on hard from high speed, tipping the bike agressively into corners and riding out of the corner hard on the throttle at the track, you'll find that on the road you'll be a lot more confident doing these things at a more moderate speed. Once you know how hard you and your bike can brake and corner you'll feel safer on the road because you know you have a lot more in reserve.

One of the most common self-caused accidents motorcyclists have is overrunning corners. While it could be argued that what happens in such an accident is that the motorcyclist has overestimated their abilities and taken a corner too hot, another possible explanation is the rider has underestimated the ablilties of the bike.

A scenario I imagine involves a rider approacing a corner too fast. Because they have never had the experience of hard braking from speed, they do not use all the braking that is available to them, therefore not slowing the bike to a comfortable speed for the corner. The same goes for cornering, once they get to the corner they may simply not turn hard enough as they are unaware of how far they can actually lean the bike safely. With too much speed and not enough lean, the bike then may cross the centre line, potentially exposing them to oncoming traffic, or the bike and rider may leave the road alltogether.

So, a trackday may not teach you how to avoid getting into a sticky situation on the road, it will give you the confidence to use your bike to the best of your abilities to avoid an accident if you do get into one.

**TOTO** · 24th July 2010, 02:02

yes, i agree.

**zealchick** · 24th July 2010, 15:59

Originally Posted by cheesemethod

I would highly recommend attending trackdays.

One of the most common self-caused accidents motorcyclists have is overrunning corners.
exposing them to oncoming traffic, or the bike and rider may leave the road alltogether.

So, a trackday may not teach you how to avoid getting into a sticky situation on the road, it will give you the confidence to use your bike to the best of your abilities to avoid an accident if you do get into one.

right, so now i am checking out the next track day :-)
......had a little over run on a corner a couple of weeks ago..... and i reckon what i have learned from riding with you guys saved my butt!!

thanks for all your opinions and advice

**BoristheBiter** · 24th July 2010, 18:31

Originally Posted by cheesemethod

I completed a defensive riding course to get 6 months off my restricted licence term. For me, I don't think the theory section taught me anything that would contribute to me being a safer rider. If you are a person who has any degree of common sense when it comes to issues such as peer pressure, riding while drunk or fatigued etc, you will probably not learn anything new from the theory part of the course. The practical session was very much just practice session for the full licence test, you might pick up a few tips on how the test is run, which can help; however, if you do have any concerns about the full licence test you'll probably get just as much help by asking around at NASS.

I would highly recommend attending trackdays. Being able to ride your bike a lot closer to its maximum performance will greatly increase confidence when it comes to riding it at normal road speeds. When you start pulling the brakes on hard from high speed, tipping the bike agressively into corners and riding out of the corner hard on the throttle at the track, you'll find that on the road you'll be a lot more confident doing these things at a more moderate speed. Once you know how hard you and your bike can brake and corner you'll feel safer on the road because you know you have a lot more in reserve.

One of the most common self-caused accidents motorcyclists have is overrunning corners. While it could be argued that what happens in such an accident is that the motorcyclist has overestimated their abilities and taken a corner too hot, another possible explanation is the rider has underestimated the ablilties of the bike.

A scenario I imagine involves a rider approacing a corner too fast. Because they have never had the experience of hard braking from speed, they do not use all the braking that is available to them, therefore not slowing the bike to a comfortable speed for the corner. The same goes for cornering, once they get to the corner they may simply not turn hard enough as they are unaware of how far they can actually lean the bike safely. With too much speed and not enough lean, the bike then may cross the centre line, potentially exposing them to oncoming traffic, or the bike and rider may leave the road alltogether.

So, a trackday may not teach you how to avoid getting into a sticky situation on the road, it will give you the confidence to use your bike to the best of your abilities to avoid an accident if you do get into one.

Nothing to disagree with there (i must be getting old)

When i first started riding, when i felt i was going to quick for a corner i would throttle off. no one had told me any different so when i went and did CSS, WOW what an eye opener. actuly being told how to ride a bike properly.
there are a lot of questions people don't ask becuse they think they are riding correctly.
Track days and CSS have made me so much better and now i aculty know what i am surpposed to be doing.