Greens = numpties.

[BoristheBiter]

5. NZ has a very low gun crime rate. Why? Because our laws actually work, (they are not perfect by any means)

You don't watch the news much do you. it seems like evey second item is some one held up some where with a gun.

Where i understand what you mean as being a shooter we will pay and there are already 1000's of guns on the streets but just ignoring the problem will not make it go away and if there is nothing done and it gets worse we will end up like the UK where you can't own any firearm.

At the moment i can go and purchase any firearm then sell it on the blackmarket and there will be no come back on me as there is no way of tracking any weapon purchased. as you know all they do is write it in a book and thats if you buy it from a dealer, private and your lucky if your asked to see a licence.

Cops find some weapon in the wrong hands and unless they know what shop sold it thats where the trail ends. If there was a registry, at least it could be tracked back to see where it should be, or if it had been stolen then they could be charged with recieving at the least.

I know this isn't the great fix that the greens are saying it will be but at least it is a start, and if your worrying about cost then you make it like vehicle rego and only pay when changed over.

[The Pastor]

You don't watch the news much do you. it seems like evey second item is some one held up some where with a gun.

Where i understand what you mean as being a shooter we will pay and there are already 1000's of guns on the streets but just ignoring the problem will not make it go away and if there is nothing done and it gets worse we will end up like the UK where you can't own any firearm.

At the moment i can go and purchase any firearm then sell it on the blackmarket and there will be no come back on me as there is no way of tracking any weapon purchased. as you know all they do is write it in a book and thats if you buy it from a dealer, private and your lucky if your asked to see a licence.

Cops find some weapon in the wrong hands and unless they know what shop sold it thats where the trail ends. If there was a registry, at least it could be tracked back to see where it should be, or if it had been stolen then they could be charged with recieving at the least.

I know this isn't the great fix that the greens are saying it will be but at least it is a start, and if your worrying about cost then you make it like vehicle rego and only pay when changed over.

No i don't watch the news much, its a load of BS.

In nz, you don't have to be worried about going to school/work/mall and some nut head pulling out a gun on you. - how many countries can you honestly say that in?

Have you seen that vid of the cop shooting the biker at a routine speeding ticket? I fear thats the way NZ is heading.

To quote KRS-One

The police them have a little gun
So when I'm on the streets, I walk around with a bigger one

[BoristheBiter]

No i don't watch the news much, its a load of BS.

In nz, you don't have to be worried about going to school/work/mall and some nut head pulling out a gun on you. - how many countries can you honestly say that in?

Have you seen that vid of the cop shooting the biker at a routine speeding ticket? I fear thats the way NZ is heading.

1) shit loads of counties that i have been in i have felt very safe, i can't say the same in CHCH.

2) yes because of one vid makes all the difference.

3) who cares what some shit says.

[JMemonic]

1) shit loads of counties that i have been in i have felt very safe, i can't say the same in CHCH.

Odd isnt it I would have to say I felt unsafe in Auckland very rarely ever here and that was only due to massive numbers of idiots in one area at the same time, sure Christchurch has a perceived reputation but for the most part its undeserved, there are no areas of the city I would not go, I am unworried about some LA gansta wannabe trying to knife me to build a rep, there are far less Asian gansta wannabes here. Where was the latest news breaking item where a load of guns were recovered hmm that's right Auckland.
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[oldrider]

My words exactly in the firearm thread J. More laws for the law-abiding. Nothing to hinder the crims as usual.

Exactly M, remember the guy who attacked a "gunshop" owner with a "machete"!

Loud "BANG" end of attack!

(and "who" got all the police attention and prosecuted? "not" the bloody criminal!)

Give everyone back the right to own a gun and protect themselves and watch the crime rate go down!

Cowardly criminals know the odds are not only stacked in "their" favour but the police are there for "their" (the criminals) protection as well! FFS!

Crime pays, only in New Zealand, why don't they publish those statistics!

[jahrasti]

Go take a look at any pistol range after the police have finished using it... you'll be surprised to where you'll find the bullets (or so im told!)

Or so I am told. This fucks me off.

Yes some Police may not be the best shots. That I agree with HOWEVER that number is actually quite small. Do Police need more practice? of coarse they do as well as more driving, riot training, SSTT(self defence) etc etc.

The people that say that sort of shit, normally aren't the crack shots that they pretend to be.

I have seen pistol club members shot like shit, looks more like a shot gun. Then in the next breath dog the Police.On the other hand I have spoken to pistol club members who are highly ranked shooters. They are normally not to bad about dogging the Police.

Some people are just lacking the confidence in the weapons. All that takes to fix is a bit of time.
I have had poor shots shooting very well, and all it took was a bit of time and some tinkering of technique here and there.

It seems easy for people in glass houses to throw stones.

[The Pastor]

Some people are just lacking the confidence in the weapons. All that takes to fix is a bit of time.

I disagree, I think it takes A LOT of time to gain the skills required to be able to use a pistol safely. I think it takes more time to be able to use one safely in a high stress environment.

[Scuba_Steve]

Or so I am told. This fucks me off.

Yes some Police may not be the best shots. That I agree with HOWEVER that number is actually quite small. Do Police need more practice? of coarse they do as well as more driving, riot training, SSTT(self defence) etc etc.

The people that say that sort of shit, normally aren't the crack shots that they pretend to be.

I have seen pistol club members shot like shit, looks more like a shot gun. Then in the next breath dog the Police.On the other hand I have spoken to pistol club members who are highly ranked shooters. They are normally not to bad about dogging the Police.

Some people are just lacking the confidence in the weapons. All that takes to fix is a bit of time.
I have had poor shots shooting very well, and all it took was a bit of time and some tinkering of technique here and there.

It seems easy for people in glass houses to throw stones.

This is why I don't want to see the cops with guns, They don't get & won't get the training necessary to use them safety. Case's in point, Courier driver in Auckland & Dog in the Hutt couple years back.

[jahrasti]

I disagree, I think it takes A LOT of time to gain the skills required to be able to use a pistol safely. I think it takes more time to be able to use one safely in a high stress environment.

No it doesn't take alot of time to use a pistol safely. Learning safety skills is easy.

Using one in high stress situation?, What is safely? do you mean not missing your shot?

That is impossible, even the best miss. Yes it does take thousands of reps before a movement becomes ingrained in ones muscle memory.

Most popo engagements/contacts/shootings are at a very close distance (this figure is 'meriken).

I believe that the firearms training meets the requirement JUST!!. Of coarse more is better though.

[jahrasti]

This is why I don't want to see the cops with guns, They don't get & won't get the training necessary to use them safety. Case's in point, Courier driver in Auckland & Dog in the Hutt couple years back.

What the fuck do you know? Did your sister tell you that after a good inbred fuck session?

The courier driver tragedy, well it was a tragedy but I believe that given a soldier or a competitive shooter, there could well have been the same outcome.

But please enlighten me on your wisdom on the subject

[The Pastor]

No it doesn't take alot of time to use a pistol safely. Learning safety skills is easy.

Using one in high stress situation?, What is safely? do you mean not missing your shot?

That is impossible, even the best miss. Yes it does take thousands of reps before a movement becomes ingrained in ones muscle memory.

Most popo engagements/contacts/shootings are at a very close distance (this figure is 'meriken).

I believe that the firearms training meets the requirement JUST!!. Of coarse more is better though.

Define close range, and a range you'd be happy having a cop shoot a pistol at a target the size of a 20cm circle at.

Pistols (esp semi auto's) are VERY easy to point in an unsafe direction and accidentally fire. I believe the require a stack load of continus training for anyone to be able to deal with pistols in a safe manor.

You seen that vid of the DEA agent giving a gun saftey lecture to a group of school kids with a glock that shoots himself in the leg?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html

here is the video of the cop shooting an innocent biker.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?se...cal&id=7433661

And i know the states have really good cop firearm training.....

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Maybe are but i stand corrected anyway.
I still can't see why it would be a good thing not only can you see who is reciving you can also see who is selling illegaly.

Yeah. Cos the cops are really going to be able to track firearms when they're nicked & then swapped for an ounce of bud.

why spen millions implementing a flawed law that has been PROVEN to not work in this country? Those millions would be better spent on initiatives to reduce violent offending.

As long as violent offending exists, guns will be used, and criminals will be able to procure them.

[JMemonic]

Some people are just lacking the confidence in the weapons. All that takes to fix is a bit of time.
I have had poor shots shooting very well, and all it took was a bit of time and some tinkering of technique here and there.

And it take practice to ingrain those skills which you cover soon but we will get to that

No it doesn't take alot of time to use a pistol safely. Learning safety skills is easy.

Using one in high stress situation?, What is safely? do you mean not missing your shot?

Yes what is safely in a high stress situation, hmmm, obviously the basic skills are all that is needed surely.

That is impossible, even the best miss. Yes it does take thousands of reps before a movement becomes ingrained in ones muscle memory.

Most popo engagements/contacts/shootings are at a very close distance (this figure is 'meriken).

I dont get you I thought you had respect for the police then you call them popo, and not all engagements are close, correct even the best do miss but not often.

I believe that the firearms training meets the requirement JUST!!. Of coarse more is better though.

Here we are the soon I mentioned before, training and practice are not always the same thing, many here can train you how to do a task, however for you to be good at that task you will need practice the more practice the better at it you will be, just is not good enough if we are to have every officer armed and the lack of funds for practice maybe one of the reasons the politicians have said no to the idea

What the fuck do you know? Did your sister tell you that after a good inbred fuck session?

This is an enlightened response, no really I can see your justification to a valid comment from Scuba_Steve I mean surely to state he does not want to see the NZ police fully armed as they will not get the training (read practice) must be wrong and therefore he inbreeds with family members, but wait did you state the and I quote

I believe that the firearms training meets the requirement JUST!!. Of coarse more is better though.

So in your opinion just is good enough, if this opinion is rampant then we are going down hill fast, with no brakes.

[jahrasti]

Define close range, and a range you'd be happy having a cop shoot a pistol at a target the size of a 20cm circle at.

Pistols (esp semi auto's) are VERY easy to point in an unsafe direction and accidentally fire. I believe the require a stack load of continus training for anyone to be able to deal with pistols in a safe manor.

You seen that vid of the DEA agent giving a gun saftey lecture to a group of school kids with a glock that shoots himself in the leg?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html

here is the video of the cop shooting an innocent biker.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?se...cal&id=7433661

And i know the states have really good cop firearm training.....

I can't find the report, but off the top of my head less than 7 metres.

Yes small barrelled weapons can be easily pointed in a unsafe direction that is why weapons are treated with respect.

The glock does not have a safety catch as such however safety aspects are built into it.

That is why I always stress that the day you become overconfident or lazy, it will come back and bite you in the ass big time.

I have witnessed plenty of UD's (unintentional discharge) in the military, from exactly as I have stated above i.e overconfidence.

What has the cop shooting the biker got to do with anything? Yea he shot him. That comes down to the person period. Can we stop that, I don't think so it is human nature. If we could see into the future then we could recruit people that would never fuck up.

[Scuba_Steve]

What the fuck do you know? Did your sister tell you that after a good inbred fuck session?

The courier driver tragedy, well it was a tragedy but I believe that given a soldier or a competitive shooter, there could well have been the same outcome.

But please enlighten me on your wisdom on the subject

Anyone with ANY intelligence (obviously you skip this category based on your response here) knows NOT to take the shot unless you have a perfectly clear line to the target, the pure fact an innocent got hit means this was not the case.