Invite - 2nd protest against police pursuits today

[Virago]

There wouldn't be so much of this if our laws dealt with offenders first or second time round - Ny confiscates cars and ensures dicks stay off the road... basics missing etc etc

How do you catch them first or second round, if you can't chase them?

[Genestho]

Links coming - need time out

1. Pursuits over traffic offences
2. If the job is to maximise safety rampant chases are not the way as acknowledged in modern policies overseas where roads are safer
3. Restrictive policies reduce anarchy - the studies aren't just studies - they are about saving lives so not to be sniffed at imo
4. The latest fatal wouldn't have happened in many countries because impaired drivers aren't pursued like that as it turns a chronic risk acute - they use star chase and anpr or a variety of other methods to later and safely apprehend. A chase in an urban area with several traffic light controlled intersections would never be contemplated.

PS - it is cops feedingus info who are very discontent with how policy has gone so all is not as it seems.

There is a trial program about to be implemented using GPS in conjunction with alcohol support groups to monitor, apprehend and support recidivist drink drivers, is it possible to extend this further?
http://www.tenone.police.govt.nz/ten...g10Drivers.htm

I would suggest it could be a preferred option economically to expand on what is available...


I have read the 'star chase' info. http://www.starchase.com/howitworks.html

If you are seeking support here for certain technology to reduce the deaths of innocent motorists - you need to provide specific links to coherently illustrate your point please.

[dynamite9585]

There wouldn't be so much of this if our laws dealt with offenders first or second time round - Ny confiscates cars and ensures dicks stay off the road... basics missing etc etc

so you would be happy with another $100 on your rego (per vehicle) to cover those costs?

[SMOKEU]

There wouldn't be so much of this if our laws dealt with offenders first or second time round - N.Y. confiscates cars and ensures dicks stay off the road... basics missing etc etc

The cops still have to catch the offenders first.

[scissorhands]

When I was 16 years old I got chased by the fuzz on my Suzuki GT380, cause I was speeding

At the time of the pursuit I actually thought the unmarked HQ Holden was a civilian vehicle, no lights or siren, I thought it was a drag (really, I was 16 years old).

Anyway, after we had been at this for about 10 minutes including 160km/hr on the motorway, he peeled off after I failed to make a bend, ending up riding on the footpath via a driveway, doing about 80km/hr at the time of going on to the footpath, near Turners Auctions in Penrose. Then back on the road, it was like a friggin action movie

Got home, phone rang, come down to station, locked in a holding room and dressed down big time. One of the most stupid things I have ever done ever, but I didnt know the pursuer was a cop, and I was 16 years old, still a child to my family who would have missed me.

I could have easily died that day.

[Woodman]

So should we now start negotiating with terrorists??

candor, your ideals are just making it harder for people with common sense to get by, and easier for dickheads who want to blame everyone else for the dumshit that they do.

And racist??????? fuck off.

[munster]

No way I can support this.

No one made that guy crash & kill those two people. He only has himself to blame.

It's about time people started taking responsibility for themselves and stopped looking to blame others for their own inept decisions.

[rustic101]

Protest? I saw three females chanting which hardly constituted a protest.

[puddy]

It's all good. Take off, crash, cry like a baby, show remorse (for the situation you find yourself in) and you might just get 8 months home D!
If you can't drive/ride, don't run. And that goes for Maoris too!

[Lurch]

The innocent people we lose to runners are a damn shame there's no two ways about it. The runners who die in the accident they cause by running..... they got the death that they chose for themselves, nothing else.

[BAD DAD]

When I was 16 years old I got chased by the fuzz on my Suzuki GT380, .

Ha ha I can still remember a time when I thought GT380' s were BIG bikes.

Sorry Candor, can't quite see how the statistics you have quoted point to any form of racism (except that they possibly chase less Asian and Pacific drivers than Euros & Maori). It's hard to know what the cops should do really. When an "offender" dies on the roads it must be a tragic time for his family , but when some innocent person is hurt or killed you need to convince me that any mercy should be shown. It won't be easy to do that.

[candor]

Ha ha
when some innocent person is hurt or killed you need to convince me that any mercy should be shown. It won't be easy to do that.

The mercy should be shown by pulling all stops out to prevent it not tolerating high harm rates then making everyone feel better by lock up and throw away the key.

Protest? I saw three females chanting which hardly constituted a protest.

Hmmm... who have all had their families reduced by drunk drivers, ones forst child is named after the victim - change needs to start somewhere. As far as all who're commenting re racism bah humbug, it was the wish of the others who are Maori to include that point. We got more wellwishers the other end of town, seemed more conservative (& abusive) by the HQ. But then one protestor said "well this is like protesting poverty in Fendalton"!

It's missing the wider picture to say "runners fault - end of discussion". Current harm levels aren't within cooey of acceptable by any benchmark - not an acceptable cost of doing business, hence foreign experts are condemning NZ's policy. What cretins have influenced it?

Just placing blame (on any party) then stopping there does not help the 293 innocent people injured or killed since chases went up 400% after 2002.
Blaming is not prevention and never will be. Its negative imo, a problem solving tack is needed but for that all factors need identifying, including Polices part. To seek to dodge scrutiny or accountability for improvements where needed and always be right isn't very helpful.

The big question is why we used to have the same chase frequency as other countries and equal harm to runners and innocent victims, but in 6 short years thats quadrupled. By my calculation that means 150 of the innocent victims 2002-8 never would have been victims had the pre 2003 chase initiation threshold remained in place.

Did crims make the Police go from 500 chases a year to over 2000 nearly overnight? Noooooo... clearly the chase threshold dropped and dropped. To the Publics hazard.

To accept this high level of carnage just because "the crims started it", when Policing tactics have the strongest influence on whether chases start, continue etc sells short. This gives no hope for future victims since a sole focus on the crims via penalties etc has never worked. Darwins to all who believe that Collins party trick of pleading with offenders not to run will work. Last shower? Blind loyalty + total suppor in all matters isn't what friends do. JC's a Police mate and vote receptacle, but I'm not sure it's a good leader.

[The Stranger:Me]

No way I can support this.

No one made that guy crash & kill those two people. He only has himself to blame.

It's about time people started taking responsibility for themselves and stopped looking to blame others for their own inept decisions.

Come on, if the govt mandated compulsory training the fleeing drivers would be better able handle runners and this type of thing wouldn't happen. So of course it's the governments fault.

[munster]

Did crims make the Police go from 500 chases a year to over 2000 nearly overnight? Noooooo... clearly the chase threshold dropped and dropped. To the Publics hazard.

Yes, when the courts & coroners started telling police off about their chase tactics and that they should lay off, there was a huge increase in the numbers of runners. That coupled with our limp wristed wet bus ticket justice system has produced a generation of perps who now treat cop baiting and evading as a challenge.

As Lurch said "The innocent people we lose to runners are a damn shame there's no two ways about it. The runners who die in the accident they cause by running..... they got the death that they chose for themselves, nothing else. "

No sympathy whatsoever from me for those that kill or maim themselves in this fashion.

Bloody hell, next they'll be calling it 'Police assisted vehicular suicide'.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

To accept this high level of carnage just because "the crims started it", when Policing tactics have the strongest influence on whether chases start, continue etc sells short. .

Nah, you're just a dick. No way you can tell me that less provocation is needed by police to give chase is a bad thing.

If anything the general population want police to always give chase regardless of the crime. I got stopped for speeding at the weekend (in a car) saw the cop car u turn after I passed it and thought "ah bollocks" any thought of running - none.

If you want to blame someone - blame the person who made the decision to run from the cops. It was their decision to endanger both themselves and others at the point of making that decision.

Why you have decided to come on here and try and rally support for this stupidity seems a bit mis-guided - unless you just see bikers as anti-establishment regardless of the issue, and incapable of rational opinions.